RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Mark Womack wrote: | But is there some specific reason why we want to upgrade and be compatible | with only = JDK 1.3? Is there some core class we really need to use in | order to make log4j better? If not, then I don't see a compelling reason to | self-limit ourselves to =

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Mark Womack wrote: | We can make it so that log4j is compatible with 1.2 and happy when it runs. | Just compile using jdk 1.2 instead of jdk 1.3 or 1.4. I think the messages | we are seeing are related to compiling the release lib with 1.4 instead of | 1.2 (or 1.1 in the

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Curt Arnold
On Aug 17, 2005, at 3:45 AM, Endre Stølsvik wrote: So, set source=1.2, target=1.2 and bootclasspath=/usr/java/jdk1.2/ rt.jar, and the code will compile according to 1.2 rules, compile to 1.2 classfiles, and be compiled against 1.2 runtime libraries. It will thus run on 1.2 JREs! That is

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I wholeheartedly agree. Dropping 1.2 support just because it's old is very silly - there must be some -reason- behind that choice. Regards, Endre True, but the reason doesn't have to be technical. If, for a given log4j release, the marginal cost (in terms of developer time spent on

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Mark Womack
, August 16, 2005 11:38 AM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) As far as log4j 1.2.x is concerned, I believe that JDK 1.2 compatibility was real. I can attest that for all log4j versions prior to 1.2.9, the log4j core

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Mark Womack
] Subject: RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Mark Womack wrote: | We can make it so that log4j is compatible with 1.2 and happy when it runs. | Just compile using jdk 1.2 instead of jdk 1.3 or 1.4. I think the messages | we are seeing

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Jacob Kjome
At 11:10 AM 8/17/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hi, I wholeheartedly agree. Dropping 1.2 support just because it's old is very silly - there must be some -reason- behind that choice. Did you bother reading both of my responses? Apparently not. Regards, Endre True, but the reason doesn't have

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Mark Womack
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Curt Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:32 PM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Paul

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Jacob Kjome
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:41 PM To: 'Log4J Developers List' Subject: RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) Hola, +1 on JDK 1.3. It's more than five years old now. If someone hasn't updated their JVM in 5 years, they're not going

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
As far as log4j 1.2.x is concerned, I believe that JDK 1.2 compatibility was real. I can attest that for all log4j versions prior to 1.2.9, the log4j core was verified to compile under JDK 1.2. The same holds true for log4j 1.3beta. At 08:26 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote: Quoting Mark Womack [EMAIL

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Mark Womack
To: Log4J Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) Quoting Mark Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But is there some specific reason why we want to upgrade and be compatible with only = JDK 1.3? Is there some core class we really

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Curt Arnold
On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Mark Womack wrote: We can make it so that log4j is compatible with 1.2 and happy when it runs. Just compile using jdk 1.2 instead of jdk 1.3 or 1.4. That should be possible, but I suggested using Jikes while producing the distribution since it seemed to be an

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Mark Womack
We can make it so that log4j is compatible with 1.2 and happy when it runs. Just compile using jdk 1.2 instead of jdk 1.3 or 1.4. That should be possible, but I suggested using Jikes while producing the distribution since it seemed to be an adequate and less complicated solution. I

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Paul Smith
We may have a low threshold, but we are not the primary users of theframework.  And abandoning jdk 1.2 for our convenience is not a good reason.I find it incredibly annoying when I go to use a tool or a framework andfind that doesn't support the version I am running, or is not compatiblewith the

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-16 Thread Jacob Kjome
Quoting Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As far as log4j 1.2.x is concerned, I believe that JDK 1.2 compatibility was real. I can attest that for all log4j versions prior to 1.2.9, the log4j core was verified to compile under JDK 1.2. The same holds true for log4j 1.3beta. Then we should

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Jacob Kjome
At 08:31 PM 8/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Paul Smith wrote: This does beg the question that one of the original design goals of log4j 1.3 was that it's minimum requirement would be JDK 1.2. Are we still all in favour of that? I would like to think that JDK 1.3

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Smith
oh and here's my (obvious) +1 on JDK 1.3 On 16/08/2005, at 12:33 PM, Jacob Kjome wrote: At 08:31 PM 8/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Paul Smith wrote: This does beg the question that one of the original design goals of log4j 1.3 was that it's minimum requirement

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Mark Womack
@logging.apache.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Paul Smith wrote: This does beg the question that one of the original design goals of log4j 1.3 was that it's minimum requirement would

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Yoav Shapira
-Original Message- From: Curt Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:32 PM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3) On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Paul Smith wrote: This does beg the question that one

Re: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Smith
and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Curt Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:32 PM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j