IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites.
There can't be the option to revoke all bird feed sellers permits.
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at
success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those
started by
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Thats were a few people have gone wrong lately then ;-)
yup
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
"Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables,
vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas
(San Antonio) not California
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others,
just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in
others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as being absurd that I
hear EVERY YEAR of the
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it ..
just charge em bigtime!
nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote:
What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not
mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ...
Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IMHO developers should be given the environment that is what makes them
confotable, an IBM research center was on the telly the other day that
had a big open plan style area, as well as individaul offices, as
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it ..
just charge
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
client suddenly changing ther mind)
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
write a suggestions document of where the project management and
management functions are going wrong
if they ignore it leave
Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime...
OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the
New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested
in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is
At 14:55 19/01/01, Neil Ford wrote:
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this?
Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week,
anytime soon would be good.
AOLMe too!/AOL
At 15:49 19/01/01, Dave Cross wrote:
I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there
and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening?
An evening would be better for me, too...
Natalie
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime...
OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the
New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely
From: Paul Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is a million considered a lot in the UK still?
Not by people who can add up.
OK, same here then. Having said that, it's amazing how much people can
stretch a few $currency_unit if they
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:37:27AM +, Steve Mynott typed:
RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine
systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are
doing in the same way that Perl has to be
At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy.
Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it?
Dave...
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 06:09:32AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy.
Sounds good to me.
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but [caveat] [caveat] [caveat]
you're (we're ;-) (almost) all alcoholics with personality disorders?
Why keep giving the money to the pimps^H^H^H^H^H agencies?
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:31:02AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but [caveat] [caveat] [caveat]
you're (we're ;-) (almost) all alcoholics with personality disorders?
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of me being too damned lazy
to
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy.
Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it?
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:37:27AM +, Steve Mynott typed:
RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine
systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are
doing in the same way that Perl has to
David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 06:09:32AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
right now, just bloody band together and
* John ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hmmm, does sound good though.
it all depends what you mean, do you mean a proper consultancy or
a bunch of people getting together to share accounting/marketting?
if its a proper consultancy, you'd have to wear suits, be polite
and be in work for 9 in the
"Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:25
Subject: Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:31:02AM +0
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42
What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get
anyway?
Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the
programmer. And the task.
Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:55:08PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less
than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that
if we were selling ourselves as top-notch Perl consultants (Dave H's
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42
What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get
anyway?
Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the
programmer.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:29:20PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:55:08PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Sounds a tad low to me. I've never contracted as a Perl programmer for less
than 50/hr. Normally I'd estimate at about 500/day. I'd have thought that
if we
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
there is a big question here, do people want to create a small business
with a few perl programmers all on largish salaries or do people want
to create a proper consulting business
At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:59 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
there is a big question here, do people want to create a small
business with a few perl programmers
dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 January 2001 11:42
What sort of hourly/daily rate does an average PM perl programmer get
anyway?
Anything from 30 upwards to the sky depending on the client. And the
programmer. And
People (no particular order):
==
= Pimp = = Accountant =
==
== =
= BOFH = = Security Guru =
==
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:21:45AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:16:59 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:56:43PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
there is a big question here, do
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
People (no particular order):
==
= Pimp = = Accountant =
==
== =
= BOFH =
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
have to pay them back with interest and stuff.
equity surely? ;-)
Yes. But if you're successful the "interest" rate is huge ;)
But if you're not, well, they lose the money and not you.
FWIW It's much easier to negotiate with
Leo Lapworth wrote:
Location
A big pub in central London.
Top floors: development
Ground floor Pub: with comedy stand and terminal points for laptops
Basement: disco / conference room, big flat screens etc..
What about a bed / kip room and of course a
* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
have to pay them back with interest and stuff.
equity surely? ;-)
Yes. But if you're successful the "interest" rate is huge ;)
But if you're not, well, they lose the money and not
attachments. Opinions expressed in this email are those of the
author and not of Message Central plc.
-Original Message-
From: Neil Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 January 2001 04:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE:Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re
Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Leo Lapworth wrote:
Location
A big pub in central London.
Top floors: development
Ground floor Pub: with comedy stand and terminal points for laptops
Basement: disco / conference
In a bad mailbox incident I lost a couple of mails from BOFH inclined
people. Would y'all mail me again please?
Ta,
Dave
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Apache, mod_perl,
From: "Leo Lapworth" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got a contact who says he can get hold of a million or
so VC if this was an actually business plan, but then you
have to pay them back with interest and stuff.
That's not VC then, that's a "loan". VC is where you heave up a huge chunk of
cash in
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote:
People (no particular order):
==
= Pimp = = Accountant =
==
== =
= BOFH = =
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at
success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those
started by MBAs or middle managers..
business sense !=
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is a million considered a lot in the UK still?
Not by people who can add up.
OK, same here then. Having said that, it's amazing how much people can
stretch a few $currency_unit if they *don't* have investment :-)
But then so's a 24hr stretch of
"Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables,
vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas
(San Antonio) not California though -- relatively
earthquake/tornado/storm/etc-free!
You're talking
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 12:11:23PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah, it's always amazed me just how crap the north American power system
seems to be. Even in cities.
This is a different issue, http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/power.crisis/
I
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote:
Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad
idea as it encourages pulling all-nighters. You just don't write good
code at 2 in the morning, and end up spending just as much time untangling
it as you did
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