Re: T-shirts for Monday
"David H. Adler" wrote: I'm guessing that those of us on this side of the atlantic are, therefore, out of luck at this point? Nope. Well, sort of. I saved 3 * XL for Merkins. I'm also thinking of printing some more.
Re: Ruby
On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:39:54PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Jonathan Peterson sent the following bits through the ether: The language Ruby looks really cool. Can anyone tell me: It's very Perlish, but over-the-top OO-ish at the same time. The interpreter just runs over the parse tree - none of these fancy bytecodes and stuff. I'm not convinced, but get the best of both worlds with Inline::Ruby ;-) IIRC, the author is working on making Ruby compile to bytecodes as we speak. I'm not sure when this'll be done though. Best I can find is a mailing list post that says that it'll be in the "Next Generation" of Ruby. That could mean a while. -- Mark Hulme-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether: Slightly OT, but does anyone think it would be possible to run Perl/Ruby/Java bytecode directly on a Transmeta Crusoe chip? As I understand it, you would only need to implement a VLIW translation layer or whatever Yes, right. This layer wotsit may be tricky to write, though ;-) ISTR that Transmeta demoed Java bytecode running when they announced the Crusoe, and also that they explicitly said that they didn't want other people to mess around at that level. It only buys you speed, anyway, and I bet you a strongly untyped language like Perl[1] wouldn't run that much faster... Leon [1] which is why Java-JVM and Java-.NET CLR are hard and slow -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A living example of Artificial Intelligence
Re: Ruby
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: [1] which is why Java-JVM and Java-.NET CLR are hard and slow ... A living example of Artificial Intelligence Hmmm, I obviously meant Perl instead of Java there. How bizarre. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive
Bletchley Park Day Trip?
Hello all, First off, this event is neither santioned nor condoned by the London PM group. I'm planning a day trip out to Bletchley Park to see the museum and the enigma machine, possibly on Sunday March 18th. (note that it is the day after St. Patrick's Day). If anyone is interested in joining me reply to this address (rather than the list at large). Dates are open for discussion. Museum highlights include: -The 'Bombe' Rebuild Project (!) -History of Computing Exhibition -Diplomatic Wireless -Communications Electronic Museum Trust -and the exciting Cryptology Trail! check out http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk for info. Admission 5, tours from 11:00 to 3:00. Train from Euston takes about an hour. Final note, for those interested in this sort of thing... The Imperial War Museum (Lambeth) has an advanced descendant of an Enigma on display. Admission free after $4:30! -- Hamlet D'Arcy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
perl (compling) optiziations
Dear All I know this is best asked elsewhere but I'm looking at perl-5.6.1-TRAIL2 as I am thinking of moving to this for some production platforms (or 5.6.1 when that comes out) Is anyone using any funky optimizations for the CFLAGS beyond -Doptimize=-O3 -march=pentiumpro ? This is for Linux using pcgg 2.95.2.1 Ta Greg
Graphical Documentation
ELLO london.pm.org. Long time no C[1].
I'm needing some programs to produce graphical documentation[2], and as
I'm feeling lazy (which is a good thing, right,) so rather than writing my
own, I thought I'd ask you lot what you thought were the best tools out
there.
I need to produce:
1. Thingys showing SQL tables.
2. Thingys showing OO abstraction
Nethier of these need to be in any particular form. They just have to
make sense to me.
Ideally, I'd like somehthing that would run on Windows or Linux
(i.e. written in Perl) but you get the idea.
Later.
Marks.
[1] Or no Perl, more to the point. I'm back online. As for a week
offline: Let us never talk of it again)
[2] This is a 'oh, god this is complicated and I need to see what's going
on' kind of problem not a 'management don't get it' kinda problem
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Graphical Documentation
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: I'm needing some programs to produce graphical documentation[2], and as ... 1. Thingys showing SQL tables. 2. Thingys showing OO abstraction If you want to do it by hand, try dia. Actually, I've been thinking about automagically producing these two from the database/perl files using the award-winning[1] GraphViz[2] module. I'm concerned that database/object metadata may not be good enough though. Hmmm, maybe I can do a dia XML - GraphViz layer... Leon [1] I won the "Information Transfer" prize at the German Perl Workshop! [2] A new version of which is winging it's way to CPAN. I fear I need to learn some more MakeMaker skills, though... -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... If it ain't broke, fix it anyway just to screw it up
Re: perl (compling) optiziations
Philip Newton wrote: Greg Cope wrote: I know this is best asked elsewhere but I'm looking at perl-5.6.1-TRAIL2 as I am thinking of moving to this for some production platforms (or 5.6.1 when that comes out) Is anyone using any funky optimizations for the CFLAGS beyond -Doptimize=-O3 -march=pentiumpro ? This is for Linux using pcgg 2.95.2.1 Any specific reason why you want to fiddle around with optimizations? just a boyish go faster urge. I used things like this in the past with some good results (10% to 20% improvements) on other apps. Plus I am likely to install this on quite a few boxes, so a little effort now is worth it. In any event, http://www.mail-archive.com/perl5-porters@perl.org/msg23098.html and the ensuing thread may be of interest -- Tim Bunce asked about the "best GCC compiler options for Intel (perl apache)" and got some answers. http://www.mail-archive.com/perl5-porters@perl.org/msg23387.html is a summary of some of his findings, with a sample gcc and a sample pgcc command line at the end. http://www.mail-archive.com/perl5-porters@perl.org/thrd7.html#23098 is (currently) the thread overview. Ta - just what I was looking for. Greg Cheers, Philip
Re: T-shirts for Monday
An entity claiming to be David H. Adler wrote: : : Good man. : : Now all I have to do is figure out how to get them... :-) : Well, if we can figure out how to, I'd like to snatch up one of them. Mark -- [] | "Girls in occupied countries always [] Mark Rogaski | get into trouble with soldiers," she [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | said, when I asked her what the Virgin [] | birth was. -- Florence King, CoaFSL
Re: good job there weren't any base belongs to us t-shirts printed
* Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010304 17:45]: On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: Might have ended up like the last programme here (not for the easily offended) http://www.tvgohome.com/ cafepress have some aybabtu tees. There is a nice page of reworked cartoons and images with aybabtu worked in. Also totl.net has an aybabtu style whelk in its whelk page. It was all over when it made The Grauniad this morning. Well there's still another 4 months to go before it's passe in Australia so a T-shirt is still worthwhile if anyone's planning a trip over. I was puzzled seeing aybabtu on an album cover http://www.aquariusrecordssf.com/cat/newest.html (search TORTOISE) but it ain't there. http://www.cheap-cds.com/surf/disps/341824 Lucky I'm subscribed to a list that's near the memetic source (some Japlish speaking aliens). -- Brad Bowman
