Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread Mark Fowler

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

  1. Thingys showing SQL tables.
 
 Have a look at http://www.codewerk.com. On the projects page, download
 GraphViz::DBI and dbigraph.pl. See the sample database table graph linked
 from that page. I'm working on making it more flexible and pretty.

Oooh, ahhh.  Looks really nice.  Now the only problem with this is
that it requires me to actually have created the database.  We're not at
this stage yet (though I will see if I can knock up a diagram of our
current old database schema so we can have some reference.)

Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up.  Because
my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url
and it pops up in netscape.  However, being a good url catcher it matches
the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.)  Now this is really odd,
as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 
'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as
'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com'
doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd.  I've tried it from other
locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing.

Mark.

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Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
 
   1. Thingys showing SQL tables.
  
  Have a look at http://www.codewerk.com. On the projects page, download
  GraphViz::DBI and dbigraph.pl. See the sample database table graph linked
  from that page. I'm working on making it more flexible and pretty.
 
 Oooh, ahhh.  Looks really nice.  Now the only problem with this is
 that it requires me to actually have created the database.  We're not at
 this stage yet (though I will see if I can knock up a diagram of our
 current old database schema so we can have some reference.)

Gnome Dia has been quite good for designed classes and database
tables. Also worth a look is gnome-db which provides a nice UI to the
database. Only problem is that there doesn't appear to be anything that
offers Visio's reverse engineer database option.

I am looking for some dia scripts to generate dia xml from perl classes or
databases thru dbi/odbc. I might have to write an xml generator by reusing
code from GraphViz::DBI or just from scratch. Anyone else been working on
something like that before I start?
 
 Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up.  Because
 my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url
 and it pops up in netscape.  However, being a good url catcher it matches
 the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.)  Now this is really odd,
 as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 
 'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as
 'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com'
 doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd.  I've tried it from other
 locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing.

I had that problem - try http:://www.codewerk.com/projects.html 

A.

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Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread pmh

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:40:35 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote:
 Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up.  Because
 my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url
 and it pops up in netscape.  However, being a good url catcher it matches
 the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.)  Now this is really odd,
 as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 
 'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as
 'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com'
 doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd.  I've tried it from other
 locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing.

I'd blame their virtual host recognition, although the web server here handles it 
properly, and we're running an even earlier version of Apache.


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"Let the sickos get their kicks on USENET, not in the mass media."
-- Adam Rice



Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread James Powell

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:40:35AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 
 Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up.  Because
 my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url
 and it pops up in netscape.  However, being a good url catcher it matches
 the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.)  Now this is really odd,
 as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 
 'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as
 'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com'
 doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd.  I've tried it from other
 locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing.
 
 Mark.
 

Is it running a lightweight apache reverse-proxy and backend mod_perl?
I believe that can do it.

jp



Re: That thesis generator

2001-03-06 Thread Robin Houston

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:57:45PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 Can anyone remember the URL for the thesis generator that Damian Conway
 mentioned in his talk?

http://dev.null.org/dadaengine/

http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/DadaEngine


 .robin.

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Re: That thesis generator

2001-03-06 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:16:26 +, Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jonathan Peterson sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Can anyone remember the URL for the thesis generator that Damian 
  Conway mentioned in his talk?
  
  Or indeed, any similar things (not counting dadadodo)
 
 Well, the hoax was at: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/ An
 interesting paper about the Dada Engine
 (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au:80/publications/1996/tr-cs96-264.ps.gz),
 including a graph of course, is up at:
 http://www.csse.monash.edu.au:80/publications/1996/tr-cs96-264.ps.gz
 
 The postmodernism generator: http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/

And an article about Randal's spew script (including source code) is at
http://www.linux-mag.com/1999-09/perl_01.html

Cheers,

Dave...



[grit@DND.UTWENTE.NL: announcement: Hacker's conference HAL 2001]

2001-03-06 Thread Leon Brocard

Jamie and I went to HIP97 and had a blast. Yet Another Cool Conference
to go to guys ;-)

- Forwarded message from Gerrit Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

From: Gerrit Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: announcement: Hacker's conference "HAL 2001"
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:22:04 +0100
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Press Release
Enschede, The Netherlands
March 5th, 2001

Hackers At Large 2001: debating the future of the Internet.

From August 9th until August 12th, the campus of the University of
Twente will feature a congress that is unique in its kind: Hackers at
Large, or HAL 2001.  The congress expects to receive thousands of
guests from all over the world and from many different disciplines to
debate issues ranging from advanced technical issues regarding some
obscure aspect of the Internet to easy-to-understand lectures on some
of the dangers of the information society, as well as many, many other
topics. But more than debate, the guests at HAL2001 take ample time to
get on-line, relax, build and discuss cool stuff, and engage in good
old analog interfacing.

The congress is unique in that the participants bring their tent and
their computer, which is connected to a large high-speed outdoor
computer network that provides high bandwidth Internet connectivity
for everybody. On-site power generators provide all these computers
with the necessary power: more than 1.5 mega-Watts.

Some of the people that are organizing HAL 2001 were also involved in
the former hacker movement in The Netherlands: those responsible for
the late hackers' magazine Hack-Tic and for setting up the first Internet
Service Provider in The Netherlands called ``XS4ALL''. But also many
people from Dutch universities, companies and other Internet Service
Providers participate in making this event possible.

The HAL2001 convention is the fourth in a series that has been running
every four years since 1989. Quite a few of the participants at "The
Galactic Hacker Party" (1989), "Hacking at the End of the Universe" (1993)
and "Hacking in Progress" (1997) have been instrumental in bringing about
the changes that are upon us today.

HAL2001 is for those that can truly celebrate the Internet and embrace new
technologies, without forgetting their responsability to tell others that
all these wonderful new technologies come with new risks to the individual
and to society as a whole.

Sponsors:

The HAL 2001 organization would like to thank the sponsors for making
this event possible:

 XS4ALL Internet BVwww.xs4all.nl

 XS4ALL foundation  

 University of Twente  www.utwente.nl

 NLnet foundation  www.nlnet.nl

 USENIXwww.usenix.org

 ITSX  www.itsx.com

 GorillaPark   www.gorillapark.com


Board of HAL foundation:
Cor Bosman
Jaco Lockhorst
Rop Gonggrijp

HAL-staff:
Gerrit Hiddink
Eric Slachmuylders

Contact Information:
URL: http://www.hal2001.org
Gerrit Hiddink
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: (+31) (0)53-4892425  (please observe Dutch office hours)
fax: (+31) (0)53-4892452


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Re: [grit@DND.UTWENTE.NL: announcement: Hacker's conference HAL 2001]

2001-03-06 Thread Leon Brocard

Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:

 Jamie and I went to HIP97 and had a blast. Yet Another Cool Conference
 to go to guys ;-)

Oh no! I've just realised that this makes three consecutive weeks with
conferences that I want to go to: oscon, yapc::europe,
hal2001. Eeek. Wonder what I'll do?

Leon
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Re: [grit@DND.UTWENTE.NL: announcement: Hacker's conference HAL 2001]

2001-03-06 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  Jamie and I went to HIP97 and had a blast. Yet Another Cool Conference
  to go to guys ;-)
 
 Oh no! I've just realised that this makes three consecutive weeks with
 conferences that I want to go to: oscon, yapc::europe,
 hal2001. Eeek. Wonder what I'll do?

Go of course. *duh*.


I'm off to Tokyo in a couple of weeks. I presume there's a pm group...

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Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest

2001-03-06 Thread Jon Eyre



On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Mallrats, 
 
 His best film

No! Smith pimpz his talents out to the Mouse, 
and the end result: A John Hughes movie with 
buttfscking jokes...
 
  Chasing Amy 
 
 His ``worst'' film

This is *real cinema* - mind you it has extra resonance fr me, because I
used to date a lesbian (or at least that was the excuse she gave me...)
 
  Dogma.
 
 The film you realise that Alanis Morisette is quite cute when
 she is silent ;-)

Alan Morrissey attractive? Gimme some o' *that* crack vicar...

Anyone else drink too much and wake up on a train in the middle of 
Hampshire thursday night? Or was it just me..?

j

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Re: Kevin Smith (and intro)

2001-03-06 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jon Eyre wrote:

 Anyone else drink too much and wake up on a train in the middle of 
 Hampshire thursday night? Or was it just me..?

No, that was just you.  

delurk
'lo, BTW.  I'm Lucy and I'm not in Nodnol, but Cambridge doesn't have a
.pm (yet!).  I use Perl to do vague genome mapping, computer biology,
PhD type things.  
/


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Re: Kevin Smith (and another intro)

2001-03-06 Thread Jon Eyre


On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jon Eyre wrote:
 
  Anyone else drink too much and wake up on a train in the middle of 
  Hampshire thursday night? Or was it just me..?
 
 No, that was just you.  

It'll catch on, mark my words...

Hello folks of world... I'm Jon, and I 

use CGI;

for a terrible web company who Must Not Be Named, 
or at least not until I find somewhere better... 

 delurk
 'lo, BTW.  I'm Lucy and I'm not in Nodnol, but Cambridge doesn't have a
 .pm (yet!).  I use Perl to do vague genome mapping, computer biology,
 PhD type things.  
 /

mmm, vague genomes, the best kind...

 "With a face like this I won't break any hearts.
 If I think like that I won't make any friends."

Shurely "And thinking like that...", if this is from Screamager..?

j




Re: Kevin Smith (and another intro)

2001-03-06 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:42:17PM +, Jon Eyre wrote:
 
 On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 
  delurk
  'lo, BTW.  I'm Lucy and I'm not in Nodnol, but Cambridge doesn't have a
  .pm (yet!).  I use Perl to do vague genome mapping, computer biology,
  PhD type things.  
  /
 
 mmm, vague genomes, the best kind...

Is that something like Schrodingers Jeans?

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Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest

2001-03-06 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:17:06PM +, Jon Eyre wrote:
 On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   Mallrats, 
  
  His best film
 
 No! Smith pimpz his talents out to the Mouse, 
 and the end result: A John Hughes movie with 
 buttfscking jokes...

Which is exactly what makes it his best film.  

If it makes you feel any better he claims he had to make it so that he
could keep those influences out of:

   Chasing Amy 
  
  His ``worst'' film
 
 This is *real cinema* - mind you it has extra resonance fr me, because I
 used to date a lesbian (or at least that was the excuse she gave me...)

But she has such an annoying voice.  The first time I saw it I didn't
notice and got wrapped up in the story.  The second time I just about
made it through, and though I can watch it again, but it's never my
first choice.

 Anyone else drink too much and wake up on a train in the middle of 
 Hampshire thursday night? Or was it just me..?

I didn't, but I did have this terrible habit of getting mildly tipsy
with london.pm, and then waking up the next morning in Birmingham.  I
managed to reduce the ugliness by moving.

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