Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David H. Adler]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> 
> Heh!

> "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

I'm pretty sure NY.pm can claim prior art here... :)

dha
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Technical Meeting

[Dave Cross]

Just a quick reminder that there will be _no_ technical meeting next
Thursday. We've seen far too much of each other and it wouldn't be
healthy :)

The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April and the next technical 
meeting is Thursday 19th April. Suggestions for venues for both are
welcomed.

The web site is, as usual, wrong. I'll correct it over the weekend.

Dave...

Fwd: [lmug-talk] Drool time!

[Neil Ford]

Thought this might be of interest to some.

Neil.

>To: "lmug talk yahoogroups.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:42:43 -0800
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [lmug-talk] Drool time!
>
>Being sick, I should be asleep but I couldn't so I got up and did a little
>computer work.
>
>Just a short while ago, I finished installing OS X (Golden Master) on my new
>PowerBook G4.  From the time I started the installation process until the
>"Finder" appeared was exactly 20 minutes.  All you do is click a few
>buttons, type in some answers to questions and sit back while the installer
>does its thing.  VERY painless and no more difficult to install than was OS
>8 or 9.  As a matter of fact, easier.
>
>If you installed the Public Beta, I suggest that you reformat the drive and
>install OS 9.1 (which will come with OS X when it's released).  Apple
>doesn't require removing the PB, but it's a safe bet that with TWO new OSes
>on the drive, it's a good idea.
>
>You'll be surprised at how complete OS X is in spite of being incomplete
>(some components such as DVD play didn't make the final release but are
>promised in an update which should arrive shortly after the ship date).
>There are a lot of utilities with which you're familiar (Disk First Aid and
>Drive Setup combined into Drive Utility) but with new looks and
>capabilities, as well as some new ones which you used to get from
>third-party developers (Grab for screen captures, Preview for viewing PDF
>and other file types).  There are also many new applications which are
>"required" for OS X's plumbing but which the average user isn't "required"
>to use.
>
>Out of the box, OS X will recognize that it's connected to a DHCP server if
>you're on a LAN or have a DSL setup.  It has built-in drivers for FireWire
>and USB drives (although you cannot install OS X to them) and Apple, Epson
>and Hewlett Packard printers.  Some one said that they hooked up a Brother
>All-in-One and OS X recognized it.
>
>Protected memory is one of the most important new features.  Having Internet
>Explorer 5.1 Preview Edition (included on the CD) crash (oh, it will!) and
>not have to worry about it (just restart it) is worth the price of
>admission.
>
>I'm currently typing this in Microsoft Entourage 2001 which is running in
>the Classic environment.  I won't go into the differences between OS 9 and
>Classic (it will be covered by others) but I don't notice any difference in
>speed for most tasks under either environment.  Switching between the two is
>seamless and transparent (if set up properly).
>
>Contrary to the pre-Public Beta fears, there is almost nothing to worry
>about with OS X.  Once the top apps are available in Carbon form, this
>should be a killer product for Apple.  I don't know if it will ever gain the
>huge market share that Apple hopes for, but it should, ultimately, at least
>outsell Linux.  Once OS X Server is released (shortly after March 24, 2001),
>Apple will finally have an Enterprise product line.  Unfortunately, it still
>doesn't have an Enterprise strategy!
>
>Bruce
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Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest

[Mark Fowler]

> > > I'll also draw a map at some point
> > 
> > Details at http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/filmfest/
> 
> In order to try and finish at a vaguely reasonable hour I'm going to
> start early. So, my house, 2pm for a 2:30 start on Saturday.

Want us to bring anything?

Later.

Mark.

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print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest

[Simon Wistow]

> > I'll also draw a map at some point
> 
> Details at http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/filmfest/

In order to try and finish at a vaguely reasonable hour I'm going to
start early. So, my house, 2pm for a 2:30 start on Saturday.

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:19 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:50:17PM -0500, mallum wrote:
> > For aggregating RSS feeds I use RSSLite [1] rather than XML::RSS. 
> > RSSLite avoids using expat and is a little naughty in parsing XML 
> > that would make expat barf ( Alot of RSS feeds unfortunatly contain 
> > bad XML ).
> 
> That way lies madness.

Which is what I said - but more succinct :)

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[DJ Adams]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:02:52PM +, DJ Adams wrote:
> 
> I didn't know you were on this list - then again, I am crap at keeping
> up anyway...

Wow, 3, nay, 4 posts to the list in one day. Must get a grip on myself...

dj

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[DJ Adams]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:50:17PM -0500, mallum wrote:
> 
> 
> I run http://10.am and do this on a largish scale.

Mallum - greetings! 

I didn't know you were on this list - then again, I am crap at keeping
up anyway...

dj

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[DJ Adams]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:00:19PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> > avoids using expat and is a little naughty in parsing XML that would make
> > expat barf ( Alot of RSS feeds unfortunatly contain bad XML ).
> 
> That way lies madness.

Which is exactly what separates theory from reality ;-)

dj

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:50:17 -0500, mallum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[RSS feeds]

> I run http://10.am and do this on a largish scale.
> 
> For aggregating RSS feeds I use RSSLite [1] rather than XML::RSS. 
> RSSLite avoids using expat and is a little naughty in parsing XML 
> that would make expat barf ( Alot of RSS feeds unfortunatly contain 
> bad XML ).

Is it just me or does this this idea fill anyone else with dread?

I hope we all agree that it all started to go wrong for the web when
browsers started to deal with invalid HTML. This lead inevitably to
the situation we have now where 95%[1] of web sites are made up of
invalid HTML. XML was supposed to solve these problems by being far 
stricter on non-wellformed documents - this is why Expat just barfs on 
input that isn't well-formed. If we start "going soft" on such 
documents, surely we run the risk of ending up in exactly the same 
mess that we have with HTML now.

If someone sends you invalid XML in an RSS file, I'd recommend hitting
them over the head with a clue by four until they fix it. Another nice
touch might be some text on your web site saying "We hoped to have an
RSS feed from [web site of choice] but they ar incapable of providing
a valid XML file".

Dave...

p.s. But then, bear in mind that I still think that browsers should 
respond to invalid XML by putting up a page that says "the author of
this page is a fuckwit" - so my views on the matter might not be 
exactly mainstream :)

[1] Remember kids, 83% of statistics are made up on the spot!

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[DJ Adams]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:56:30AM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> 
> I can't remember, but I *think* I took that picture.  Not that I actually
> give a shit.

Oops, sorry! I thought it was Robert that took it. Mea culpa :-(

At least we (London PM) get some publicity from the article (I couldn't 
find a URL for Squackers).

dj

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David Cantrell]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:32:37 +, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > > http://london.pm.org/MeetPics3.html
> > 
> > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> 
> Heh!

I can't remember, but I *think* I took that picture.  Not that I actually
give a shit.

> "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

Sounds about right :-)

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:32:37 +, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> 
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> > Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> > meeting. 
> 
> I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...

Heh!

"The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

Dave...

Re: Scraping news feeds?

[mallum]

I run http://10.am and do this on a largish scale.

For aggregating RSS feeds I use RSSLite [1] rather than XML::RSS. RSSLite
avoids using expat and is a little naughty in parsing XML that would make
expat barf ( Alot of RSS feeds unfortunatly contain bad XML ).

For actual scaping of sites I basically use meaty regexps or HTML::Parser.

10.am also supplys feeds [2] in RSS if you want to use them.

I hope to Open Source 10.am in the near future when I sort out some
contractual obligations.

mallum

[1] http://industrial-linux.org/RSSLite/
[2] http://10.am/docs/feeds.htm (eg http://10.am/Development/Perl-rss )

on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 04:36:56PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> What's the best way to scrape a variety of news headlines from various
> sites? Sort of a moreover for the intranet...
> 
> 
> -- 
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>   Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
>   -
> 

Re: RPC stuff

[Paul Sharpe]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

I've used Frontier::Client in production FWIW.

Cheers,

paul

> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:54:23PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> > What's the best way forward for RPC / distributed Perl stuff? I don't need
> > anything super complicated, but RPC::Simple seems to want to use Tk ?!
> 
> I've just been doing stuff in PlRPC and it works quite well.  It's based
> on sockets and Storable.pm, so it's quite lightweight.  It also plays
> nicely with OO, so it's pretty easy to retrofit onto an existing class
> library, with a small amount of effort.
> 
> The docs aren't up to much, though.  And you'll need something else if
> you want to have non-perl solutions calling your servers.  As was
> mentioned elsewhere, the SOAP::Lite module appears to be very popular
> for this purpose, although if you really want to, you could take the
> heavyweight route and use something like CORBA::ORBit.
> 
> -Dom
> 

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David Cantrell]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

> Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> meeting. 

I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...

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Dimsum today

[Leon Brocard]

Heya folks, Piers and I just realised that we hadn't done dimsum at
the New World for a while, so we're doing it today at 1pm. New World
is at 1 Gerrard Place in Chinatown, opposite the fire station. Hope to
see you there!

Leon
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Re: Strange Request

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dean wrote:
> code (Not Obfuscated contest level though :)) that i can use as
> examples of bad coding style.

> If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;)

This is probably your best bet :) 

MBM (runs away very fast from ever having to touch a piece of code by the
 now infamous Matt Wright ever again...)

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Strange Request

[Dean]

Does any one here have any smallish programs (around the 50 lines mark)
that are badly written and need a tidy up? (I've seen the 12 steps, i know
your hiding the good stuff) I'm looking for a few bits of
code (Not Obfuscated contest level though :)) that i can use as
examples of bad coding style.

If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;)

Dean
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   --- Anon

Re: RPC stuff

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:54:23PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> What's the best way forward for RPC / distributed Perl stuff? I don't need
> anything super complicated, but RPC::Simple seems to want to use Tk ?!

I've just been doing stuff in PlRPC and it works quite well.  It's based
on sockets and Storable.pm, so it's quite lightweight.  It also plays
nicely with OO, so it's pretty easy to retrofit onto an existing class
library, with a small amount of effort.

The docs aren't up to much, though.  And you'll need something else if
you want to have non-perl solutions calling your servers.  As was
mentioned elsewhere, the SOAP::Lite module appears to be very popular
for this purpose, although if you really want to, you could take the
heavyweight route and use something like CORBA::ORBit.

-Dom

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/
> 
> DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
> 
> With a photo as well no less.

Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
meeting. 

> Well done DJ.

Seconded.

Dave...

DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Robert Shiels]

http://www.oreillynet.com/

DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!

With a photo as well no less.

Well done DJ.

-- 
Robert

Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest

[Simon Wistow]

Hamlet D'Arcy wrote:

> Long story short...  I won advance tickets, a mallrats CD, Mallrats baseball
> hat, mallrats stickers, and...  A FULL SET OF MALLRATS TRADING CARDS! (which
> I still have).

Must. Resist. Urge. To Burgle. House.