### Re: checking your CPAN modules are up to date?

Elaine -HFB- Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *I can't find the incantation! Help! CPAN.pm has an autobundle feature that comes in handy for this. Make an autobundle then use it to update all the modules you like. http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#How_installed_modules show the use of ExtUtils::Installed which I use quite a lot for such things and the question following it also shows how to use autobundle. Nope. It was much easier than that. It just iterated down the installed modules and checked them. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy

### Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

On Jun 09, David Cantrell wrote: So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. Out of interest, does anyone know if it's done in-house or contracted out? (I strongly suspect the latter) This incompetence is further manifested in their choice of platform. even if I *could* use it, I wouldn't use it anyway, as I do not have sufficient confidence in the integrity of the server for such important information as my (eg) medical and tax data. Err, why? What do you know about its implementation as opposed to any other government website? -- | Mark Hynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | What are you trying to incinerate? |

### Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 12:49:50PM +0100, Mark Hynes wrote: On Jun 09, David Cantrell wrote: So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. Out of interest, does anyone know if it's done in-house or contracted out? (I strongly suspect the latter) The latter. Via EDS and Microsoft, I believe. This incompetence is further manifested in their choice of platform. even if I *could* use it, I wouldn't use it anyway, as I do not have sufficient confidence in the integrity of the server for such important information as my (eg) medical and tax data. Err, why? What do you know about its implementation as opposed to any other government website? david@lapdog:~$ HEAD http://www.gateway.gov.uk|grep ^Server Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 That, and EDS and Microsoft being involved. Note that whilst other government sites may suffer from the same problems, they are only sources of information and not places where I would submit any information which I need to have kept confidential. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie

### Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, David Cantrell wrote: As there's plenty of BSDers here, and I expect that at least some of you don't subscribe to Bugtraq and friends ... http://www.securityfocus.com/vdb/?id=2873 Does this count as the end of [Net?]BSD's $years of having no exploits? -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster work: 781.221.5372 Skillcheckcell: 617.365.0585

### Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:46:21AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: Does this count as the end of [Net?]BSD's $years of having no exploits? OpenBSD still claims 4 years without a remote hole in the default install. ISTR they had a couple of years without a local hole too, but that they found some other hole a less than a year ago so it was reset quite recently anyway. But I might just have hallucinated that. -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290 The day is seven hours and fifteen minutes old, and already it's crippled with the weight of my evasions, deceit, and downright lies

### YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! Oh, Grep, I'm up for that AD D one evening, though haven't played for years. Leo On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:41:23PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I also believe others are flying on this flight, so it looks like we have the official flight for London.pm ;-) and thanks to Jouke we can claim to have an official London.pm hotel - with minibars and minigolf

### Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! still thats not bad what i think they do is start cheap then slowly raise the price as seats get booked up i'm wondering how many London.pm are going to be on this flight shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) Oh, Grep, I'm up for that AD D one evening, though haven't played for years. Sounds good, i'll pencil in your name and contact you closer to the time about your character. I've already thought up some of what the adventure will be about and It won't be for the faint hearted! -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

### Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) Yes ... but they charge for them ... Tony -- -- Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.tmtm.com/ numb and confused battered and bruised counter of cost and star-crossed -- PGP signature

### Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: shit i just had a thought, do easy jet serve drinks? do they? please say they do? *panic starts to set in* ;-) Yes ... but they charge for them ... Excellent, i'll bring my jar of pennies -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

### Maths Problem

I was working on my talk for YAPC::Europe and I got a little distracted, with the following problem and I also thought some of you might like to think about it. First of all, consider the problem of distributing N points around the origin evenly in 2D, so they are all the same distance from the origin. Now this is quite easy, you can simply imagine a circle and the points placed around the circle, each 360/N degrees apart in terms of projections from the origin. Simple huh? Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Thoughts are welcome, i'm currently trying to solve it and having lots of gotchas. However if you have a complete solution please put in some *spoiler* space. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

### Re: Maths Problem

On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:52:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Best general treatment of this I've seen is at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/index/spheres.html which has the summary: * uniformly distributed has more than one meaning; * for most n there is no answer which is particularly elegant; * quick-and-dirty approximations are easy. R

### Re: early peek at a bit of fun

Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * * The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)... * *And, of course, not all modules on CPAN are in the module list *(see, for example, Symbol::Approx::Sub). It's not out of date. It's generated whenever there is an update to the modlist since it is just another representation of that list. If your modules aren't in the list then you need to submit it to Andreas. http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/perl/pod/perlnewmod.html#Step_by_step_Distributing_your_module describes how this is done. e.

### Re: Maths Problem

How about drawing a 3D shape (depending upon the value of N) with equal distances between neighbour nodes and equal angles between the edges? All the nodes lie on the imaginary sphere and the distance to the center is the same. Thus you get one and only one shape for each value of N. You can rotate it inside the sphere. How about putting them randomly on that sphere? Or use one of the well-known distributions (Poisson distribution for example)? (use 3 coordinate versions of these distributions) What about using a random/stochastic process (Markov, for instance). (use 3 coordinate version of these processes) Greg McCarroll wrote: I was working on my talk for YAPC::Europe and I got a little distracted, with the following problem and I also thought some of you might like to think about it. First of all, consider the problem of distributing N points around the origin evenly in 2D, so they are all the same distance from the origin. Now this is quite easy, you can simply imagine a circle and the points placed around the circle, each 360/N degrees apart in terms of projections from the origin. Simple huh? Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Thoughts are welcome, i'm currently trying to solve it and having lots of gotchas. However if you have a complete solution please put in some *spoiler* space. Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/ -- Mindaugas Genutis Department of Communication Technology Aalborg University of Technology

### Re: Maths Problem

On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:58:03PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:52:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Neat question for a Sunday evening: I've been wondering about that for a while. Best general treatment of this I've seen is at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/index/spheres.html and that page also has a link to Easy method for a fairly good point distribution at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/97/spherefaq An excellent site. -- Chris Benson

### Re: Maths Problem

* Chris Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:58:03PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:52:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Neat question for a Sunday evening: I've been wondering about that for a while. the main problem is for low values of N, i.e. the ones you can imaginine in your head, you can figure out regular convex polyhedra whose points lie of the sphere and whose sides are all the same shape (i.e. a triangular pyramid, a cube or diamond, etc. however i'm not convinced you can construct such shapes for all values of N Best general treatment of this I've seen is at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/index/spheres.html and that page also has a link to Easy method for a fairly good point distribution at http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/97/spherefaq yes, but it leaves an unpleasant taste in your mouth afterwards, or is that just me? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

### Re: checking your CPAN modules are up to date?

Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Nope. It was much easier than that. It just iterated down the installed modules and checked them. ppm verify [--upgrade] :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.