Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 07:35:00PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Benjamin Holzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > It's still on MTV.  Tom Green is a sick fuck, BTW.  Funny, though.
> > 
> > ah, but i take it you mean MTV USA, not MTV Europe, personally i think
> > he is one of the funniest people i have ever seen - he reminds me of
> > robin williams before _he_ decided he could act
> 
> I've not gotten the impression I like him from anything other than
> CA.  Of course, the only other thing I really think I've seen him in
> is the trailer for Road Trip...
> 
> Incidentally, he's about to marry Drew Barrymore.
> 

so the chad is good after all

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 07:35:00PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Benjamin Holzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > It's still on MTV.  Tom Green is a sick fuck, BTW.  Funny, though.
> 
> ah, but i take it you mean MTV USA, not MTV Europe, personally i think
> he is one of the funniest people i have ever seen - he reminds me of
> robin williams before _he_ decided he could act

I've not gotten the impression I like him from anything other than
CA.  Of course, the only other thing I really think I've seen him in
is the trailer for Road Trip...

Incidentally, he's about to marry Drew Barrymore.

dha

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Courtesy of purl

new years eve

[Greg McCarroll]

our new years plan has come unravelled, does anyone still not have any
plans and wants to get together?


greg

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Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Greg McCarroll]

* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dean S Wilson writes:
> > Of course, CD Bookshelf products and ematter versions of some titles
> > are only two of many experiments we're running in an attempt to build
> > up business models for online books. We will be selling online access
> > to individual books and collections of books on a subscription basis
> > starting next year. And I imagine that we'll figure out some way of
> > giving a discount to people who've previously bought books. (It's a
> > good argument for product registration for books, so we know who's
> > bought them, and can make these kind of offers.)
> 
> "Safari" is the name for the O'Reilly online book project, and it's
> pretty sweet.  It's in beta-test now.  It's kinda like you can build
> your own CD bookshelf by subscribing to only the books you want, only
> you never get the CD :-)
> 

yes you do, theres this bloke at shep. bush market 

;-)

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* Benjamin Holzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 10:24:21AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > > has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?
> > 
> > It was on non-terrestrial TV about a year back IIRC.  On MTV I think.
> 
> It's still on MTV.  Tom Green is a sick fuck, BTW.  Funny, though.

ah, but i take it you mean MTV USA, not MTV Europe, personally i think
he is one of the funniest people i have ever seen - he reminds me of
robin williams before _he_ decided he could act

greg

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Robert Shiels]

- Original Message -
From: "Tony Bowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623


> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:33:59AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
> > > Does "American Beauty" count for 2000, I can't remember seeing a
better
> > > recent film, though I don't get to the cinema as much as I'd like to.
> > Nope, that was 1999.  Got lots of acadamy awards, too.
>
> Actually, it only went on general UK release in February 2000 ...

yeah - I'm not senile after all :-)

Robert

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Nathan Torkington]

Dean S Wilson writes:
> Of course, CD Bookshelf products and ematter versions of some titles
> are only two of many experiments we're running in an attempt to build
> up business models for online books. We will be selling online access
> to individual books and collections of books on a subscription basis
> starting next year. And I imagine that we'll figure out some way of
> giving a discount to people who've previously bought books. (It's a
> good argument for product registration for books, so we know who's
> bought them, and can make these kind of offers.)

"Safari" is the name for the O'Reilly online book project, and it's
pretty sweet.  It's in beta-test now.  It's kinda like you can build
your own CD bookshelf by subscribing to only the books you want, only
you never get the CD :-)

Nat

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Benjamin Holzman]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 10:24:21AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?
> 
> It was on non-terrestrial TV about a year back IIRC.  On MTV I think.

It's still on MTV.  Tom Green is a sick fuck, BTW.  Funny, though.

Ben
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Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Dean S Wilson]

Original Message-
From: Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>> get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade
my
>> perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book
than
>> have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send
>> that in to "ask Tim" as it goes...

>Or wait for our resident O'Reilly editor to pick up on it...

Good point! I just found this in the Ask Tim Archives. looks like
plans have been laid...


-Quote
Of course, CD Bookshelf products and ematter versions of some titles
are only two of many experiments we're running in an attempt to build
up business models for online books. We will be selling online access
to individual books and collections of books on a subscription basis
starting next year. And I imagine that we'll figure out some way of
giving a discount to people who've previously bought books. (It's a
good argument for product registration for books, so we know who's
bought them, and can make these kind of offers.)
Quote

Be interesting to see how they deal with it, and maybe we can start
getting bulk discounts :)

Dean
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   ---  Anon

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Dave Cross]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 07:16:22PM -, Dean S Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 28 December 2000 18:54
> Subject: Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition
> 
> 
> >The problem being that I think they should include both and there is
> noway
> >of voting for both!  :-)
> 
> 
> I'd agree with both for more money. And they might as well add the DBI
> book, it was light enough to be added at very little cost :)
> 
> Good book and very well written but too light techwise, a
> bundle of FULL examples with different databases would have made it
> better IMHO
> 
> 
> Now that the cd bookshelves are taking off it might be time for ORA to
> get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade my
> perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book than
> have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send
> that in to "ask Tim" as it goes...

Or wait for our resident O'Reilly editor to pick up on it...

Dave...

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Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Dean S Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Natalie Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 December 2000 18:54
Subject: Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition


>The problem being that I think they should include both and there is
noway
>of voting for both!  :-)


I'd agree with both for more money. And they might as well add the DBI
book, it was light enough to be added at very little cost :)

Good book and very well written but too light techwise, a
bundle of FULL examples with different databases would have made it
better IMHO


Now that the cd bookshelves are taking off it might be time for ORA to
get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade my
perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book than
have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send
that in to "ask Tim" as it goes...

Dean
--
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   ---  Anon

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Natalie Ford]

At 16:11 28/12/00, Andrew Bowman wrote:
>Hmmm. For my money the Cook Book has more everyday use(s) than MRE, so I'd
>vote for that. But, from the perspective of having the first edition of the
>CD Bookshelf, it would be nice to have MRE in HTML form too!

I agree

>Which begs the question of why don't ORA *add* MRE to the CD bookshelf and
>charge a few dollars more for it? It'd still be great value, and it's not as
>if they're short of space on the CD (IIRC the files only use 25% or so of
>the disk).

I'd pay the extra!

Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Natalie Ford]

At 12:20 28/12/00, Dean S Wilson wrote:
>Don't know how many of you have seen this:
>http://www.oreilly.com/survey/perlcd.html
>
>Vote to decide if they should put Mastering Regular Expressions or the
>cookbook on the new CD.

The problem being that I think they should include both and there is noway 
of voting for both!  :-)

Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 05:17:34PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:56:08AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
> 
> > > >  5. O Brother Where Art Thou
> > Interestingly, this has *just* opened here in the states.  Weird.
> 
> We got it in September :)

Yes, I know.  You may remember seeing me in the area... :-)

Actually, I kind of wanted to see it while I was there, but I guess I
spent too much time in the pub.  Let's see, who can I blame for
*that*... :-)

dha

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it, on its own."- Chip Salzenberg

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 05:14:44PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:33:59AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
> > > Does "American Beauty" count for 2000, I can't remember seeing a better
> > > recent film, though I don't get to the cinema as much as I'd like to.
> > Nope, that was 1999.  Got lots of acadamy awards, too.
> 
> Actually, it only went on general UK release in February 2000 ...

Damn, you guys are slow... :-)

dha

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Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Andrew Bowman]

From: "Dean S Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Don't know how many of you have seen this:
> http://www.oreilly.com/survey/perlcd.html
>
> Vote to decide if they should put Mastering Regular Expressions or the
> cookbook on the new CD.

Hmmm. For my money the Cook Book has more everyday use(s) than MRE, so I'd
vote for that. But, from the perspective of having the first edition of the
CD Bookshelf, it would be nice to have MRE in HTML form too!

Which begs the question of why don't ORA *add* MRE to the CD bookshelf and
charge a few dollars more for it? It'd still be great value, and it's not as
if they're short of space on the CD (IIRC the files only use 25% or so of
the disk).

Andrew.

Re: Clue Distribution

[Dave Cross]

From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12/28/00 4:03:31 PM

>* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> 
>> I seem to have found myself on a CGI discussion mailing 
>> list
>> populated by people with no clue and I wondered is anyone
>> out there fancied joining me in a little clue 
>> distribution.
>> 
>> 'subscribe cgi-list'
>> 
>> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> this is the list that i was subscribed to ages ago, then 
> unsubscribed only to suddenly start to receive it again 
> about a week or so ago. it turns out their list server 
> crashed and the only backups they had were from several 
> months ago

That's right. Same thing happened to me, but I'm having fun,
so I think I'll hang around for a while.

Turns out that japhy is on the list too, so I'm not entirely
outnumbered by fsckwits.

Dave...

-- 


"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one",
he said. But still they come.

Re: Clue Distribution

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> I seem to have found myself on a CGI discussion mailing list
> populated by people with no clue and I wondered is anyone out
> there fancied joining me in a little clue distribution.
> 
> 'subscribe cgi-list'
> 
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

this is the list that i was subscribed to ages ago, then unsubscribed
only to suddenly start to receive it again about a week or so ago. it
turns out their list server crashed and the only backups they had were
from several months ago

/me goes and kicks off a backup after recounting this story

Greg

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Clue Distribution

[Dave Cross]

I seem to have found myself on a CGI discussion mailing list
populated by people with no clue and I wondered is anyone out
there fancied joining me in a little clue distribution.

For example I'm currently involved in a discussion on why using
CGI.pm (or something similar) is better than rewriting your own
CGI parameter parsing routine every time. The people on the list
seem to come from the Matt Wright school of programming and their
minds seem closed to the suggestions that I make to them.

If anyone feels like picking up a length of clue by four and
giving me a hand, you can join by sending a mail containing the
line

'subscribe cgi-list'

to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers,

Dave...


-- 


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he said. But still they come.

RE: Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[Dave Cross]

From: Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12/26/00 1:05:40 PM

> Worst Film of the Year (original story) award goes to 
> Topsy-Turvy.

Finally got round to seeing this on video a couple of weeks ago
and was hugely disappointed. My least favourite Mike Leigh film
by a long way. In fact probably the only Mike Leigh film that
isn't in my top 20 films of all time :(

> Worst Film of the Year (remake) award goes to Michael 
> Almereyda's Hamlet.

I saw that on a flight in September. I fell asleep before the
end - but I suspect that had more to do with it being 4am than
the quality of the film. I remember it being a very interesting
version of the story but Ethan Hawke just doesn't have the screen
presence to play Hamlet. Kyle MacLachlan seemed a little young
to be a convincing Claudius as well. Top points to Bill Murray
as Polonius tho'.

Dave...


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he said. But still they come.

Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 12:23:42PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> given your love for movies i thought you'd enjoy this, it is far 
> too accurate. I would of walked out of watching the perfect storm
> apart from the fact that i was at 20,000 feet - but it was still 
> a close call.

I haven't actually managed to see The Perfect Storm. However, this
is mostly through choice.

On the other hand, O Brother Where Art Thou is an excellent film, and
Clooney is actually really good in it.

I haven't made my Top 10 of 2000 yet. My main problem with this kind of
list is deciding what's allowed to go in. For example I saw American
Beauty, Fight Club, The Straight Story, Boys Don't Cry and Being John
Malkovich in 1999, even though they didn't open in the UK until 2000. I'd
still like to put them in my 2000 list though, as this hasn't been as
good a year for movies IMO. (Plus I also haven't seen most of this year's
big releases: Gladiator, Perfect Storm, Toy Story 2, Chicken Run, X-Men,
What Lies Beneath, Scary Movie, The Grinch, etc). I also missed most of
this year's big arthouse movies (Ghost Dog, Requiem For a Dream, Dancer
in the Dark etc), so my list is going to be skewed by that as well...

Off the cuff, my list would probably be (allowing for the fact that I've
almost certainly forgotten some major films that should be here...)

 1. Being John Malkovich
 2. Fight Club
 3. High Fidelity
 4. American Beauty
 5. O Brother Where Art Thou
 6. Boiler Room
 7. The Straight Story
 8. Boys Don't Cry
 9. Billy Elliot
10. Erin Brokovich

Worst Film of the Year (original story) award goes to Topsy-Turvy.

Worst Film of the Year (remake) award goes to Michael Almereyda's Hamlet.

Longest Time To Recognise Major Actor in Major Part award goes to Gary Oldman
in The Contender.

Tony
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Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 01:31:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> this smells of art to me ;-), where is charlies angel's? it has to be
> in the top 3 of entertainment films for this year

Yeah ... it was in the running, and if I had to remove any of the 1999
entries, it would probably make it ..

> i didn't realise BJM was released this year in the UK, i was sure it was 
> released in 1999 in the UK

IMDB has it as a 17 March release in the UK ...

> as for Fight Club and High Fidelity, i haven't seen either yet, although
> i do have Fight Club on DVD to watch sometime soon

Both are well worth watching. I have both on DVD, although my High Fidelity
DVD doesn't work, and I now face the interesting task of returning it to
Amazon.com, and persuading them to resend me a copy to the UK (I originally
got it delivered to the address I was staying at in Boston to save on the
postage and potential duty costs).

> p.s. Satan's school for girls is definetly a film to miss

Hmmm ... I'll bear that in mind :)

Tony
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Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:56:08AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
> > >  2. Fight Club
> Definitely not this year.  I saw it in '99.  In London, no less.

This is a much more borderline case. It did open in the UK in Nov 99, but
didn't come to Northern Ireland until December... so my first UK viewing
of it was January.

I'd be willing to drop this from my 2000 list though as it did actually
open in 99.

> > >  5. O Brother Where Art Thou
> Interestingly, this has *just* opened here in the states.  Weird.

We got it in September :)

> > >  8. Boys Don't Cry
> Hm.  Maybe it didn't make it to the uk before this year, but it took
> home best actress at the last oscars.

Yeah, but most of this year's "Oscar Contenders" haven't opened in the UK yet
either ... this didn't make it to the UK until April this year.

Tony
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:33:59AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
> > Does "American Beauty" count for 2000, I can't remember seeing a better
> > recent film, though I don't get to the cinema as much as I'd like to.
> Nope, that was 1999.  Got lots of acadamy awards, too.

Actually, it only went on general UK release in February 2000 ...

Tony
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Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition

[Dean S Wilson]

Don't know how many of you have seen this:
http://www.oreilly.com/survey/perlcd.html

Vote to decide if they should put Mastering Regular Expressions or the
cookbook on the new CD.

Dean
--
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   ---  Anon

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> kung fu
> laughs
> cheesy moments
> chad - wasn't the chad good, say the chad was good![1]
> military helicopter
> humour directed at programmers
> great sound track

Piss takes of other movies that weren't blatant.  The computer vault bit,
racing car standoff and the wire fight screens reminded me a bit of
Mission Impossible, Gone in 60 seconds and and the Matrix respectably.

Best use of a controversial prodigy track (smash my perl up)  

> [1] chad is tom greene if i recall correctly, and i just discovered he
> has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?

It was on non-terrestrial TV about a year back IIRC.  On MTV I think.

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> Its your fault! You corrupted the innocent thread!

I think I'll take credit for the 'name the film' section that started it
all.  Sorry.
 
> Pitch Black gets my vote, I fell asleep half way through and woke up
> just in time to see the end, and it was predictable enough that I
> could even contribute to the discussion in the pub about the film.

I'm sorry, but I thought Pitch Black rocked.  Sure, it was predictable and
all had been done before, but so what?  And Charlie's A. wasn't?  Just
'cos I know the rollercoaster is going to make lots of turns and dips and
sudden drops doesn't make it any less entertaining.

I liked the whole 'fear of the dark' thing it was tapping into.  It did
very odd things to my subconcious.  Ended up having a very weird dream
that night where I was trapped in Asimov's 'Nightfall'.  Odd.

Later.

Mark.

> Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
>---  Anon

s!^.*$!$@!

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )