Fwd: [orwant@oreilly.com: The state of TPJ]

[Dave Cross]

More on the TPJ saga.

Dave...

- Forwarded message from Jon Orwant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:18:48 -0500
To: Jon Orwant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

January 2, 2001

Some folks have been asking me about the status of The Perl
Journal #20, and prospective authors have been asking me
about deadlines for future issues.  The answers: TPJ #20 is
in press and ready to print, but EarthWeb (the owner of TPJ)
has told the printer to stop the presses until further
notice.  I am currently responding to proposals sent to me
with approximately "I don't know if there's going to be
another issue, but when I do I'll respond to your proposal."

Since the future of the magazine is in doubt, I can't in
good conscience greenlight proposals; I will not encourage
an author to spend weeks writing an article when I know that
it might never be printed.  So I've told people who've asked
what I know about the current situation: while EarthWeb has
sold many of its properties to internet.com so that it can
focus on "career services", it has not sold TPJ.  However,
EarthWeb has also made it clear that they don't want to
publish TPJ any more.

This story has started to leak out to the Perl community and
has already mutated a bit in not-quite-correct directions,
so I wanted to write this note to set the record straight.
Or as straight as I can, given what little I know about
EarthWeb's decisions.  

While TPJ's future is very much up in the air, people
shouldn't take this as any indicator about Perl itself.  
TPJ was doing just fine back when I ran it, there's no
shortage of content out there, and the magazine could easily
go bimonthly and then monthly -- indeed, when EarthWeb
acquired TPJ I had thought that was the plan.  I still enjoy
the editing, the authors enjoy the writing, and the 
designers enjoy the designing.  What happens now is up to
EarthWeb.  And no, I'm not suggesting that people bombard
them with email.  Heck, they just laid off 100 people, so
I'm not even sure who to bombard.  Eventually there will be
some resolution, and when there is I'll write again to let
everyone know.

As of December 27th, this matter is now in the courts, and
so I have to adopt the "just the facts" tone of this letter
without portraying my opinions.  Someday I'll be able to
talk more about what is happening in these strange days;
until then, you'll have to conjure up your own adjectives on
my behalf.

Cheers,

Jon Orwant

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Re: oi grep

[David H. Adler]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:31:29AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> by the way sobrietary totally rules (at least for 1 month), im constantly
> drinking coffee and funky glass contour bottles of coke, i have so much
> energy it is not even true

Well, *I* certainly don't believe it's true... :-)

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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[David H. Adler]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:32:46AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> > > 
> > > I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
> > > fat fuck in the world.
> > 
> > Another thought occurs to me.  Do you actually want him dead, or just
> > his life? :_)
> > 
> 
> now he didnt say he wanted him dead, he said he wanted to kill him
> - thats different

Same end result, though, no?

dha

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Re: new years eve

[Greg McCarroll]

* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote:
> 
> > DAV-U-CRO wrote:
> > 
> > > Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I 
> > > couldn't organise it at such sort notice.
> > 
> > Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't
> > happen.  But let's sort out a date for some time in January.  Around the
> > middle of the month.  How are Friday the 12th and/or 19th for people?
> 
> scuse the slow response but have been offline since dec 21st:
> 
> mid jan sound good for paranois sesh - haven't played it in a while. I
> would offer to GM it but I'm not very good. Raining concrete slabs didn't
> go down well nor did the slippery slimey slope of salamanders.
> 

i can run a 1984 style campaign but it wouldn't be paranoia rules or
even the paranoia setting

if this is ok, how about 11/1/2001, my place - however no alchohol 
allowed if its here ;-)

shit i just had a good idea for thursday night, i wonder how many
cans of redbull i can drink in one night?



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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[Greg McCarroll]

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> > 
> > I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
> > fat fuck in the world.
> 
> Another thought occurs to me.  Do you actually want him dead, or just
> his life? :_)
> 

now he didnt say he wanted him dead, he said he wanted to kill him
- thats different





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Re: oi grep

[Greg McCarroll]

* jo walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
>  skr1pt k1dd13 al3rt!
> 
>  play nicely, you, or i'll make you be a sysadmin.
>  

but i already have ro  errr nevermind ;-) 

> Jan  2 13:08:31 penderel sshd[9276]: Faking authloop for illegal user
> gem@mccarroll from 194.200.144.243 port 630
> Jan  2 13:15:16 penderel sshd[9295]: Accepted rsa for gem from
> 194.200.144.243 port 632
> Jan  2 13:15:21 penderel PAM_unix[9295]: (system-auth) session opened for
> user gem by (uid=0)
> 
>  ps pl33z3 tell me what u did, and how can i stop u 0wning stuff, coz 
>  u r so l33t, etc

1 0wN y0u s3nD M3 y0ur w4r32 0r 1 w177 D357r9y y0u

( i have no idea what i did )

by the way sobrietary totally rules (at least for 1 month), im constantly
drinking coffee and funky glass contour bottles of coke, i have so much
energy it is not even true

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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[Greg McCarroll]

* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Simon Wistow writes:
> > Bizarre how threads come togther innit ...
> > http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/
> 
> I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
> fat fuck in the world.
> 
> (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)

hey he get's to meet duchovv.., duch.., mulder you got to meet us,
same difference

-- 
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Re: I'm looking for a job!

[Greg McCarroll]

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote:
> > If you know of any decent jobs please could you
> > give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
> > interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:
> 
> Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating?
> 
> We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone
> *is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us
> about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :)
> 

the only problem with northern ireland is my family are there, apart
from that its a great place, cheap housing, good pubs, nice people, 
5~10 minute commutes, lost of spare cash as everything is so cheap

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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
> > > > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
> > > > That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
> > > > We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
> > > 
> > > If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
> > 
> > I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.
> 
> I'll be there too. There will be moaning about firewalls :(
> 

i'm already planning my drinks, virgin marys, pints of coke and more
virgin marys

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26
> 
> > Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > 
> > > Mark Fowler wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
> > > 
> > > > 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
> > > 
> > > 7. UHF
> > 
> > And, how can I forget
> > 
> > 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
> 
> Ok. Let's be clear here.
> 
> There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.
> 

donald sutherland's facial hair 

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
> > tape.
> > There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
> > http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733
> 
> Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you
> in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you
> may be waiting a while :)
> 

check beano's in croydon, they can be quite good - also skoob do some
rare tapes (in sicillian ave, next to pc bookshop)

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Peter Corlett wrote:
> > 
> > (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).
> 
> 
> And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
> suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that

and why exactly do you need a high quality paused image? tony - check his
records, has he bought basic instinct recently? ;-)

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 2. Hackers.

great great film , if anyone disagrees we'll send all our best viruses
and worms at them! [err Mr NSA if your listening i'm using something us
brits call sarcasm]

> 4. Mission Impossible.

next youll be saying top gun is considered bad


> 5. Empire Records   # not crap, but badly reviewed

greet scene as the guy trys and explains why he took the kitty and
gambled it in a casino

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TPJ to Close?

[Dave Cross]

>From Jon Orwant, via a circuitous route...



Dave...

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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Michael Stevens]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:52:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> >I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.
> I may even make it this time.

I think we *are* having a proper meeting, anyway.

Looking forward to recover from spending christmas at home...

Michael

Re: Perl Geek Code

[Dave Cross]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
> > > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
> > > That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
> > > We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
> > 
> > If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
> 
> I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.

I'll be there too. There will be moaning about firewalls :(

Dave...

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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Roger Burton West]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
>Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
>> > We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
>> If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
>I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.

I may even make it this time.

R

Re: Perl Geek Code

[David Hodgkinson]

Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
> > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
> > That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
> > We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
> 
> If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...

I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.
 

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  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Michael Stevens]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
> Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
> That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
> We're meeting on Thursday, right? 

If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...

Re: new years eve

[Aaron Trevena]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote:

> DAV-U-CRO wrote:
> 
> > Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I 
> > couldn't organise it at such sort notice.
> 
> Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't
> happen.  But let's sort out a date for some time in January.  Around the
> middle of the month.  How are Friday the 12th and/or 19th for people?

scuse the slow response but have been offline since dec 21st:

mid jan sound good for paranois sesh - haven't played it in a while. I
would offer to GM it but I'm not very good. Raining concrete slabs didn't
go down well nor did the slippery slimey slope of salamanders.

A.

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Re: Perl Geek Code

[David Hodgkinson]

Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.

That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...

We're meeting on Thursday, right? 

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:15:24PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> > A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
> > I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
> > it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

> Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my
> DVD player?

In theory, yes. However my cheap HP writer is acting up, and doesn't make as
many coasters under Windoze, so I'm using that at the moment.

I've got a tarball of Linux software you're welcome to play with if you
want.

Re: Perl Geek Code

[Michael Stevens]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:00:35PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
>   PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm

But aren't most of the questions on #london.pm of the form "shall we
go down the pub then?", to which there is a simple answer that's
almost always correct...

>   PLPM+ I occasionally visit #london.pm

I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:03:25PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Peter Corlett wrote:
>> (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).

> And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
> suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that you
> can forward faster are also a help :)



I didn't mean /that/ kind of "special" film... Just certain feel-good and
insightful films.

oi grep

[jo walsh]

 skr1pt k1dd13 al3rt!

 play nicely, you, or i'll make you be a sysadmin.
 
Jan  2 13:08:31 penderel sshd[9276]: Faking authloop for illegal user
gem@mccarroll from 194.200.144.243 port 630
Jan  2 13:15:16 penderel sshd[9295]: Accepted rsa for gem from
194.200.144.243 port 632
Jan  2 13:15:21 penderel PAM_unix[9295]: (system-auth) session opened for
user gem by (uid=0)

 ps pl33z3 tell me what u did, and how can i stop u 0wning stuff, coz 
 u r so l33t, etc

 jo
 

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Dave Cross]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:40:36PM +, Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

[from my so-called signature]
 
> > The information contained in this communication is
> > 
> 
> Is there anything you can do about that?  Eeeeugh!

Working on it.

I wasn't going to post at all, having realised earlier that Acxiom were
doing bad stuff to the emails, but richardc started being rude about
2001 and I couldn't hold back...

Dave...

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:51:04PM +, Peter Corlett wrote:
> I badly phrased it. What I meant is that if I were to use the service and
> you found a tape, the cost of the search service alone would exceed my upper
> price limit. 

Yes, the tape would cost more than your upper limit, but there is no
cost for the search service the search is free.

Tony

Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Simon Wistow writes:
> > Bizarre how threads come togther innit ...
> > http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/
> 
> I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
> fat fuck in the world.

Basically, yeah.  Of course, you being an f-ing skinny bastard, you
don't really deserve it.

> Nat
> (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)

Dave, much more injustified.  Dammit.

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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> 
> I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
> fat fuck in the world.

Another thought occurs to me.  Do you actually want him dead, or just
his life? :_)

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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

[Nathan Torkington]

Simon Wistow writes:
> Bizarre how threads come togther innit ...
> http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/

I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
fat fuck in the world.

Nat
(bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Redvers Davies]

> A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
> I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
> it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my
DVD player?

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Peter Corlett wrote:
> 
> (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).


And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that
you can forward faster are also a help :)

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:31:53PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
[...]
> You don't pay anything unless/until we find the tape

I badly phrased it. What I meant is that if I were to use the service and
you found a tape, the cost of the search service alone would exceed my upper
price limit. After all, it's just a promising-sounding film, and not a film
with a special meaning to me (which as it happens, /those/ special films are
readily available on DVD).

Re: FWD: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

jschein1 wrote:

> I think any kevin smith movie after clerks fits in that category.  Poor guy
> makes great movies, but always gets slammed.  Chasing Amy was, IMHO, his best
> movie ever.  But it was widely panned by the critics.

And his DVDs rule. Excellent quality transfers and crammed to the gills
with special features and deleted footage.

And now, from (http://www.viewaskew.com/newboard/messages224/454.html)

"We broke down and built you a box set. That's right - now you've got
something to stick your Jersey Trilogy DVD's in, regardless of what
distributor put out which flick. It should be up in the next few weeks,
and I think you're gonna be impressed when you see it. Sweet-ass art and
a well-designed layout of same, all slapped on a sturdy-ass box that'll
look so good on your shelf, you just might finally get laid. I'll let
you know when they're coming, but it should be just in time for
Christmas."

http://store.yahoo.com/jsbstash/jertrilboxse.html

RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> I've got the first 11 episodes - which is about as far as the BBC have got
> on series 4. The second series 4 boxed set is on pre-order at everyone's
> favourite online video store (release date Feb 12th).

Cool.  I haven't seen any of these as I've been too busy, and I'm
incapible of setting the video recorder[1]

> Sure. Shall I bring them along on Thursday?

That would be good.  And I shall buy blank tapes and video stuff on sky
and then I shall catch up and all shall be good in the world.

> The information contained in this communication is
> 

Is there anything you can do about that?  Eeeeugh!

[1] Not that I'm incapible of working the interface, more that I'm
incapible of remembering to do it + find a blank tape.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Mark Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:30

> Must watch Buffy.  Has anyone got 
> 
>  a) the original film

Yes. Much to my dismay :(

>  b) episodes of the current series on BBC 

I've got the first 11 episodes - which is about as far as the BBC have got
on series 4. The second series 4 boxed set is on pre-order at everyone's
favourite online video store (release date Feb 12th).

> on tape that they'd consider lending me...

Sure. Shall I bring them along on Thursday[1]?

> (see, I *knew* this thread would finally get back round to 
> buffy again)

And series 5 starts on Sky One on Friday.

Dave...

[1] Oh yeah. Meeting this Thursday (4th Jan) people. We'll stick with
Penderels Oak this month in the hope that it will be substantially emptier
after the xmas frivolity is out of the way.


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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> [And look, it says that people who bought it also bought Buffy. Is it
> hardwired or something?]
 
*everyone* who shops at blackstar buys buffy.  Sad, but true. 

Must watch Buffy.  Has anyone got 

 a) the original film
 b) episodes of the current series on BBC 

on tape that they'd consider lending me...

Later.

Mark.

(see, I *knew* this thread would finally get back round to buffy again)

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:28:28PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
> 
> Ok. Let's be clear here.
> 
> There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.
> 
> It is very, very bad.

Although it has its adherents, I have to agree.  Still, there is *one*
reason to watch it:  To see how much better it is now that Joss
W. actually has control.

dha

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:30:06PM +, Peter Corlett wrote:
> I decline to pay more than a tenner for a VHS tape these days, and
> Blackstar's service costs more than this before I've even paid for the
> tape...

NOT TRUE!

You don't pay anything unless/until we find the tape

Tony
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
> tape.
> There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
> http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733

Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you
in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you
may be waiting a while :)

Although, that's not to say we'll suddenly find about 200 in a warehouse
somewhere like we did with Song of the South ...

Tony
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RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26

> Simon Wistow wrote:
> > 
> > Mark Fowler wrote:
> > 
> > > Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
> > 
> > > 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
> > 
> > 7. UHF
> 
> And, how can I forget
> 
> 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Ok. Let's be clear here.

There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.

It is very, very bad.

Dave...


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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:27:10PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> 
> > > Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
> > 
> > U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
> > tape.
> > 
> 
> Wheel of Fish 

SUPPLIES!

dave, needs no stinking badgers either...

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
>> Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
> U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape.

A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

> There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
> http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733

I decline to pay more than a tenner for a VHS tape these days, and
Blackstar's service costs more than this before I've even paid for the
tape...

[And look, it says that people who bought it also bought Buffy. Is it
hardwired or something?]

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:05:09PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> 
> The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
> tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.

This is clearly a man who needs to see Mars Needs Women...

dha

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Simon Wistow wrote:
> 
> Mark Fowler wrote:
> 
> > Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
> 
> > 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
> 
> 7. UHF

And, how can I forget

8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> Wheel of Fish 

>From setting up astray.com/2shortplanks.com/london.rhizomatic.net:

Leon: What's on the box so far?
Me:   Nothing.  Absolutly Nothing.

(I must publish my quotes list somewhen)

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:57:06PM +, Paul Mison wrote:
> 
> Does Mallrats fit into the same category as Empire Records (ie got crap
> reviews, actually quite good)

Mallrats kicks ass.

Reviewers be damned.

dha

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Peter Corlett wrote:

> Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.

Amazon.com have a copy on auction for 50 dollars ATM and you can rent it
from Best Video http://www.bestvideo.com/

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

> > Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
> 
> U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
> tape.
> 

Wheel of Fish 

/J\
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:00:54PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed:
> > 
> > >4. Mission Impossible.
> > 
> > Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
> > your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.
> 
> The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
> tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.
> 
> Apart from 2001 that is.
> 

Unbelievable but true, 2001 is the Radio 4 'Book at Bedtime' this week.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.

U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
tape.

There's alway's blackstar's video hunt

http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733
 
Later.

Mark.

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print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:06:15PM +, Mark Fowler typed:
>> >4. Mission Impossible.
>> Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
>> your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.
>I think you're missing the point.  M.I. is crap.  Don't even get me
>started on M.I.2..  But you probably want to have seen it so that
>you can get references.

Well, yes; but the thing is, while I might have enjoyed it as a crap
action film, that was spoiled for me because I liked the original MI.
I have no problem with crap action films. (Commando remains one of
my favourites.)

R

RE: FWD: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[jschein1]

>Does Mallrats fit into the same category as Empire Records (ie got crap
>reviews, actually quite good)

I think any kevin smith movie after clerks fits in that category.  Poor guy 
makes great movies, but always gets slammed.  Chasing Amy was, IMHO, his best 
movie ever.  But it was widely panned by the critics.

Galaxy Quest is another I'd stick on that list.  For some reason is was badly 
marketed or something, but it opened pretty quietly.  I jst saw it on dvd, it 
was really good (and funny too!)

-js

RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Richard Clamp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:05


> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:00:54PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark 
> Fowler typed:
> > 
> > >4. Mission Impossible.
> > 
> > Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if 
> > you can have your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.
> 
> The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I 
> saw it at the tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing 
> possible to watch.

Except, possibly, the Mission Impossible playstation game.

> Apart from 2001 that is.

Heresy! And not just because of Leonard Rossiter's "Rigsby in space" scene.

Dave...


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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:10:50PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
[...]
> 7. UHF

For something from Weir Al, I wouldn't expect anything other than "so bad
it's got to be watched". I bought a DVD of Weird Al pop videos and I've seen
the trailer^W song which seems good, but I have no idea where I would find a
copy of the film.

Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> >4. Mission Impossible.
> 
> Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
> your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.

I think you're missing the point.  M.I. is crap.  Don't even get me
started on M.I.2..  But you probably want to have seen it so that
you can get references.  For example, I've been rock climbing and
(sarcastically) been asked if I want someone to belay me, or to do it the
M.I. way (i.e. just hang on to the rope with the other person on the end
then wonder why it's so hard work and you can't stop them falling).

Or in reply to 'do you want to xlock that terminal before you go to
lunch?' I've had the response 'no, I'm going to set up a pressure sensitive
floor and noise sensitive alarm instead' back.

You get the idea...

Later.

Mark.

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Mark Fowler wrote:

> Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films

> 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto

7. UHF

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:05:09PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
> tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.

> Apart from 2001 that is.

Ah, don't tell me that, I've got another 364 days of 2001 to go yet...

Or did you mean the film whose plot was so slow that the screensaver kicks
in after a while?

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Richard Clamp]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:00:54PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed:
> 
> >4. Mission Impossible.
> 
> Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
> your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.

The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.

Apart from 2001 that is.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed:

>4. Mission Impossible.

Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.

R

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Paul Mison]

On 02/01/2001 at 16:44 +, Mark Fowler wrote:
>> > Simon
>> > [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot
>>
>> Frighteningly, this film was actually fairly funny.
>
>Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films that
>are crap (or have been reviewed as crap) but are worth seeing, if only so
>you get the in-jokes.

Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigolo gets my vote. Best if you start about 1/3 of
the way in, then watching the beginning, so you see the gags get set up
after they've happened.

Does Mallrats fit into the same category as Empire Records (ie got crap
reviews, actually quite good)

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> > Simon
> > [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot
> 
> Frighteningly, this film was actually fairly funny.

Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films that
are crap (or have been reviewed as crap) but are worth seeing, if only so
you get the in-jokes.

1. Bio-Dome.   
2. Hackers.
3. Dest Defense.
4. Mission Impossible.
5. Empire Records   # not crap, but badly reviewed
6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto

...and plenty more

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   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:02:07AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
> 
> Simon
> [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot

Frighteningly, this film was actually fairly funny.

dave
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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Mark Fowler]

Wait a mo...I'm not american...

   HLPM -Hash London PM (#london.pm)
   HLPM+ I set up london.rhizomatic.net (acme/oznoid)
   HLPM  I am a #london.pm op
   HLPM+++   I am a #london.pm regular
   HLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm
   HLPM+ I occasionally visit #london.pm
   HLPM  I have been berated on #london.pm
   HLPM- I am banned from #london.pm
   HLPM--I hate IRC!
 
   HLPM! I am a bot on #london.pm...
 
Later.
 
Mark.
 
CO+ O++ M+(++) W++ R E+ S++ P+ MA++ E+ C++ D+ S++ X+ T+ 
WP-> PM++ n-- c-->- o++ uLB Eevo G- LC LJ HLPM G

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: I'm looking for a job!

[Tony Bowden]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote:
> If you know of any decent jobs please could you
> give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
> interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:

Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating?

We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone
*is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us
about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :)

Tony
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Re: Perl Geek Code

[Mark Fowler]

> > > > > 

Just got round to reading this.

I suggest a quick extension

  PLPM -Pound London PM (#london.pm)
  PLPM+ I set up london.rhizomatic.net (acme/oznoid)
  PLPM  I am a #london.pm op
  PLPM+++   I am a #london.pm regular
  PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm
  PLPM+ I occasionally visit #london.pm
  PLPM  I have been berated on #london.pm
  PLPM- I am banned from #london.pm
  PLPM--I hate IRC!

  PLPM! I am a bot on PLPM...

Later.

Mark.

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WP-> PM++ n-- c-->- o++ uLB Eevo G- LC LJ PLPM G

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   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
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Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:36:17PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
[ on +{ ... } ]
> Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my
> pocket refernce at all

It's almost a compile-time pragma, and I'm fairly sure it's in the camel.
Anyway, "perlop" has this to say:

   Unary "+" has no effect whatsoever, even on strings.  It
   is useful syntactically for separating a function name
   from a parenthesized expression that would otherwise be
   interpreted as the complete list of function arguments.
   (See examples above under the section on Terms and List
   Operators (Leftward).)

and in "perlref":

   3.  A reference to an anonymous hash can be created using
   curly brackets:

   $hashref = {
   'Adam'  => 'Eve',
   'Clyde' => 'Bonnie',
   };

   Anonymous hash and array composers like these can be
   intermixed freely to produce as complicated a
   structure as you want.  The multidimensional syntax
   described below works for these too.  The values above
   are literals, but variables and expressions would work
   just as well, because assignment operators in Perl
   (even within local() or my()) are executable
   statements, not compile-time declarations.

   Because curly brackets (braces) are used for several
   other things including BLOCKs, you may occasionally
   have to disambiguate braces at the beginning of a
   statement by putting a + or a return in front so that
   Perl realizes the opening brace isn't starting a
   BLOCK.  The economy and mnemonic value of using
   curlies is deemed worth this occasional extra hassle.

   For example, if you wanted a function to make a new
   hash and return a reference to it, you have these
   options:

   sub hashem {{ @_ } }   # silently wrong
   sub hashem {   +{ @_ } }   # ok
   sub hashem { return { @_ } }   # ok

   On the other hand, if you want the other meaning, you
   can do this:

   sub showem {{ @_ } }   # ambiguous (currently ok, but may 
change)
   sub showem {   {; @_ } }   # ok
   sub showem { { return @_ } }   # ok

   Note how the leading +{ and {; always serve to
   disambiguate the expression to mean either the HASH
   reference, or the BLOCK.

RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Jonathan Peterson]

> > What does +{} do???
>
> It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one
> of those pesky
> block thingies'

Ah. Not closely related to the concept of addition then. Couldn't they have
used !%{} or +%{} or something? Also, what _IS_ +{ in this case? It's not an
operator, so is +{ simply a modified kind of open bracket with special
meaning?

Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my
pocket refernce at all

Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:21:15PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
>> my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ => undef } @list } };
>^^
> What does +{} do??? 

"{ ... }" turns the list within into an anonymous hash reference. The "+" is
to disambiguate it from a BLOCK. The "%{ ... }" dereferences this anonymous
hash so that you may do a keys() on it.

Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Richard Clamp]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:21:15PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> 
> > my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ => undef } @list } };
> ^^
> 
> ??
> 
> What does +{} do??? 

It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one of those pesky
block thingies'

-- 
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RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Jonathan Peterson]

> my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ => undef } @list } };
^^

??

What does +{} do??? 

one of my chrimbo projects

[Greg McCarroll]

I was bored over Christmas and after talking to Alex I implemented a nice
little system (i'm still debugging and making it simpler), basically
i took a streaming audio server, my mp3 collection and festival and have
set up an internal ``radio station'', that plays music at random and then
in between the songs it will play any messages - such as detected
portscans / important incoming email / etc. then get back to the music.

I'm still cleaning it up, but i thought you guys would be interested.

I'll through up a webpage about it once It's finished with the code etc.

Greg

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Greg McCarroll wrote:

> > [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot
> 
> any dates?

Never according to IMDB

http://us.imdb.com/ReleaseDates?0242423

Germany is around March. Probably out on DVD before then.

Re: I'm looking for a job!

[David Hodgkinson]

"Leo Lapworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi Folks...

Leave him alone, he's mine.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Greg McCarroll]

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> > [1] chad is tom greene if i recall correctly, and i just discovered he
> > has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?
> 
> yes. And he was in Road Trip. Which was my favourite film of 2000.
> 
> Simon
> [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot

any dates?

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Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Peter Corlett]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:35:18PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
> i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ => 1 } @list;

I'm thinking that this might work:

my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ => undef } @list } };

Getting keys of mapped hash?

[Tony Bowden]

OK, my brain has fried. 

How can I do this:

  my @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;
  my %hash = map { $_ => 1 } @men;
  my @sort = sort keys %hash;
  print "We have @sort\n"; # foo bar baz

without the %hash?

i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ => 1 } @list;

I've tried so many variations that my brain is refusing to tell me the 
correct answer.

Tony
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Peter Corlett]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:16:04AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
>> Ooo, ooo, *have* to get that made into a t-shirt
> Smack My Perl Up 

How about doing that as a JAPH-type thingy?

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Mark Fowler]

> > Best use of a controversial prodigy track (smash my perl up)
> 
> Ooo, ooo, *have* to get that made into a t-shirt

but only if I name is right and spell it right (doh!)

On the front:

Smack My Perl Up 

On the back:

use Inline;

Is this a joke about a joke about a joke?

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  => 'Profero Ltd',Web   => 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Mark Fowler wrote:

> Best use of a controversial prodigy track (smash my perl up)

Ooo, ooo, *have* to get that made into a t-shirt

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Simon Wistow]

Greg McCarroll wrote:

> [1] chad is tom greene if i recall correctly, and i just discovered he
> has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?

yes. And he was in Road Trip. Which was my favourite film of 2000.

Simon
[who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot

Re: OT for London.pm : Forwarded : The Perfect Storm - The Condensed Script

[Simon Wistow]

Greg McCarroll wrote:

> given your love for movies i thought you'd enjoy this, it is far
> too accurate. I would of walked out of watching the perfect storm
> apart from the fact that i was at 20,000 feet - but it was still
> a close call.

Alternativley ... 

http://ter.air0day.com/perfectstorm.html

I'm looking for a job!

[Leo Lapworth]

Hi Folks...

As you may have heard there have been some alterations
here at Emap so I thought I'd test the market and
see what else is out there.

If you know of any decent jobs please could you
give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:

http://www.cuckoo.org/people/leo/

Thanks.

Leo