Mail-To Munging - was Re: Conslutancy
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No. When you reply-all it replies to the sender *AND* the list. So the
sender gets two copies of everything. Which is just fricking irritating
*AND* a waste of bandwidth.
la la la la *has hands over ears* i cant here you, la la la la
Worse than this, the person who you are replying to tends to get their
copy not via the list. With a slow list server it means the sender gets a
copy *way* before the rest of the group. This tends to lead to
'tit-for-tat' type discussions that are simply 'broadcast' to the list as
the rest of the list don't even have a hope of keeping up and jumping in -
they're still getting the original message when another six or so have
been sent. This defeats the whole point of the the list.
Later.
Mark.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Consultancy company
Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 22/1/01 6:34 pm, Piers Cawley wrote: One of the things that I love about the iterative approach of XP is that during the process the client begins to learn exactly what she wants, and is taught to express that by the team. The idea is to create genuine collaboration. and a complete look of horror on the faces of clients when they realise they just don't have a clue :) Heh. But if we're good at our job we can pull them through that. -- Piers
Re: Consultancy company
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote:
Heh. But if we're good at our job we can pull them through that.
uhh .. I have on occasion worked with clients that I reckon are the
exception to that rule ... some of them find lightswitches a technically
challenging problem.
I reckon the XP thing will work for clueful clients (or non clueful
clients who can be lent a clue for a short while) however I reckon you
need another layer of abstraction for totally clueless clients .. there
is a whole class of clients so clueless (' I just want one of those
dot-com things') that you probably need another level of handholding ...
they discuss the artistic and 'feelgood' bits of the project in as
precise terms as they can and then direct the XP team as the customers
representative.
A bit like employing an architect to design your new offices ... you
express your ideas, he produces a cardboard model, you say 'ooh very nice
make it so' and the architect liases with all the contractors .. next
time you see the thing is when they hand over the keys.
I know this goes against the XP idea but I really do think some clients
will not have anywhere near enough clue to work that way .. or even the
time or inclination to do it. I can see a role of 'architect' being
needed on occasion.
--
Robin Szemeti
The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!
Re: Consultancy company
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:33:44PM +, Robin Szemeti typed:
there
is a whole class of clients so clueless (' I just want one of those
dot-com things') that you probably need another level of handholding ...
they discuss the artistic and 'feelgood' bits of the project in as
precise terms as they can and then direct the XP team as the customers
representative.
http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/04/07/broken/index.html
Roger
Re: Consultancy company
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:49:45PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/04/07/broken/index.html Eh? I get a four-oh-four. Did you mean http://www.webreview.com/archives/broken/2000/04_07_00.shtml I like this one: http://www.waitingforbob.com/index.php/20001130 oooh! h! -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Consultancy company
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 01:09:40PM +, Robin Houston typed: Did you mean http://www.webreview.com/archives/broken/2000/04_07_00.shtml ? Yes. Been a while since I looked at that one. R
Re: Consultancy company
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote:
Heh. But if we're good at our job we can pull them through that.
uhh .. I have on occasion worked with clients that I reckon are the
exception to that rule ... some of them find lightswitches a
technically challenging problem.
I reckon the XP thing will work for clueful clients (or non clueful
clients who can be lent a clue for a short while) however I reckon
you need another layer of abstraction for totally clueless clients
.. there is a whole class of clients so clueless (' I just want one
of those dot-com things') that you probably need another level of
handholding ... they discuss the artistic and 'feelgood' bits of the
project in as precise terms as they can and then direct the XP team
as the customers representative.
A bit like employing an architect to design your new offices ... you
express your ideas, he produces a cardboard model, you say 'ooh very
nice make it so' and the architect liases with all the contractors
.. next time you see the thing is when they hand over the keys.
I know this goes against the XP idea but I really do think some
clients will not have anywhere near enough clue to work that way ..
or even the time or inclination to do it. I can see a role of
'architect' being needed on occasion.
I would say that part of the sales process should include weeding out
those kinds of clients. If it turns out that there aren't any we can
find with a clue, then the fun begins, but I'd like to think that the
market is large.
--
Piers
Re: Consultancy company
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote: I would say that part of the sales process should include weeding out those kinds of clients. If it turns out that there aren't any we can find with a clue, then the fun begins, but I'd like to think that the market is large. ;))) Dear Sirs, Thank you for your enquiry requesting our services. After our meeting yesterday and some careful consideration by the management team it turns out you are just too damn dumb. We have worked with chewing gum brighter than you. Please go away. Yours etc, Shall I knock it out as a template .. it could come in handy :)) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Perl Books
I was having a look at the perl book reviews on Amazon (Yes boycott, yes they have good reviews) when I came across this Proceedings of the Perl Conference 4.0 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000138/qid=980264576/sr=1 -62/202-4272860-9199824 I didn't get to go to that conference so can anyone who did go and knows anything about this tell me if it contains details on the talks and similar? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Conslutancy
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:38:31PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: la la la la *has hands over ears* i cant here you, la la la la The issue of millions-of-CCs needs to be addressed by anyone putting together a pro-reply-to: sender argument. Using procmail is *not* the right answer, neither is burdening the user with constantly editing the outgoing To: Cc: *every fscking email*. Simon's right: that document is bollocks and a retort on the web is long overdue. Here's what's so ironic: if you set the reply-to: and post to a majordomo list *it'll munge it to the From: address anyway* !! So a major argument in that document has the rug pulled out under it by a hugely used piece of MLM. MHO: If it's discursive, community list: reply-to: list If it's announcements or something where community and open conversation is not the important consideration: use reply-to: author. Paul
Re: Conslutancy
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 02:11:02PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:38:31PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: la la la la *has hands over ears* i cant here you, la la la la The issue of millions-of-CCs needs to be addressed by anyone putting together a pro-reply-to: sender argument. Using procmail is *not* the right answer, neither is burdening the user with constantly editing the outgoing To: Cc: *every fscking email*. I just use the list reply feature in my MUA. Michael
Re: Perl Books
Elaine -HFB- Ashton writes: It's a copy of all the refereed papers as I recall, not the tutorials. It's tape bound and has Conway's Perligata Talk among others. What Elaine said. It's the book we handed out to TPC attendees in 2000, containing the refereed papers. Nat
