Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
Greg McCarroll wrote: * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Leon Brocard wrote: On Thursday, a London.pm Heretic Meeting happened in a lovely pub with a nice warm fire by the Thames. For the uninitiated, a Heretic Meeting happens when the first thursday of the month is the 1st. Heretic meetings thus happen on the 7th, and are ^^^ 8th. (For the summary in four weeks' time :-) london.pm meetings happen on the day after the first wednesday of the month - some misinformed people may have meetings on the 1st of the month occasionally, but what can i say? they are just crazy! Absolutely! I mean, does anyone actually *believe* that life is as simple as "The first Wednesday of every month" ?!? C'mon - there's *always* a catch. -- Steve Purkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix Developer www.redhotchilli.com
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:00:21 +, Steve Purkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: [ The same old tired nonsense about london.pm meeting dates ] Absolutely! I mean, does anyone actually *believe* that life is as simple as "The first Wednesday of every month" ?!? C'mon - there's *always* a catch. _Please_ don't feed the troll :) Dave...
AxKit Talk
Hi everyone, I hope you'll all be coming down to see the AxKit talk a week on Thursday, anyway what I want to do is get some sort of idea of the kind of thing you'd be interested in me focusing on for the talk. There's lots I can talk about, so maybe you'd like to pick bits from this list: Overview of XML technologies Overview of AxKit What use is AxKit (compared with other options) AxKit for static sites AxKit for dynamic sites AxKit internals Advanced AxKit Other XML Technologies Templating technologies in AxKit AxKit CMS (I may or may not be able to demo something here, as we're still working extra hard on getting it actually working) Or all of the above :-) It might also be nice to hear what sort of projects you're working on, and/or might consider using AxKit for, then I can look at that sort of thing in more detail. Please make sure you respond direct to me, as I'm not subscribed to the list. -- Matt/ /||** Founder and CTO ** ** http://axkit.com/ ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // ** mod_perl news and resources: http://take23.org ** \\// //\\ // \\
Re: AxKit Talk
Matt, My preferences marked below. I think I'm going to take up Torrington's kind offer to host this event (as they offered first :) so hopefully I'll have fully details in the next couple of days. Cheers, Dave... At Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:40:52 + (GMT), Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Overview of XML technologies * Overview of AxKit * What use is AxKit (compared with other options) * AxKit for static sites * AxKit for dynamic sites AxKit internals Advanced AxKit Other XML Technologies * Templating technologies in AxKit AxKit CMS (I may or may not be able to demo something here, as we're still working extra hard on getting it actually working)
Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :) So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act? Cheers, Dave...
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :) So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act? Cheers, Dave... Related question: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conway Hall
I'm going along to take a look at Conway Hall tomorrow lunchtime. If it looks ok[1] I'll book it and pay for it on the spot. If anyone wants to come along with me, then feel free. Dave... [1] And I hope it does - as I don't really have a plan B :)
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:59:55 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :) So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act? Cheers, Dave... Related question: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho' Neil. Cheers, Dave...
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:59:55 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :) So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act? Cheers, Dave... Related question: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho' Neil. Shall I come along tomorrow? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:17:14 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [kit for Damian's talk] I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho' Neil. Shall I come along tomorrow? If you have the time, that would be great. Meet me outside the Conway Hall at 12:30pm. Dave...
Re: Xinerama
This tool is great fun in a computer room full of unsheathed X terminals. :-) What a wonderfull turn of phrase ;)
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Sorry, been busy all morning. We can supply either a screen or a white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other. So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good. Matt
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Sorry, been busy all morning. We can supply either a screen or a white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other. So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good. Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if that's ok :) How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more. And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably get by without, but it would be nice to have. Cheers, Dave...
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Sorry, been busy all morning. We can supply either a screen or a white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other. So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good. Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if that's ok :) No probs projector booked. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At 10:31 12/02/01 -0500, you wrote: At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.). I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!), net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of that list they can supply. Thanks. Sorry, been busy all morning. We can supply either a screen or a white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other. So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good. Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if that's ok :) How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more. 30 people should be no problem, over 40 and it will probably start getting a little personal. And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably get by without, but it would be nice to have. We have a 2meg line and we can make sure that there are a few ports patched through from the boardroom. We are also running DHCP so people can get an IP if required. Matt
Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:08:15AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: I'm going along to take a look at Conway Hall tomorrow lunchtime. If it looks ok[1] I'll book it and pay for it on the spot. [1] And I hope it does - as I don't really have a plan B :) Hey, if *I* can find him a room, so can you... :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ People don't buy our products because they want a 1/2 inch drill, they buy our products because they want a 1/2 inch hole. - reportedly, some exec at Black and Decker
Re: Conway Hall
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to completion Might this have anything to do with the fact that you, sir, are currently in charge[1] of it? Passing the buck, are you sir? Pistols at dawn etc. etc. Leon, vaguely remembering blech volunteering for this... [1] Strong word. You just collected email addresses didn't you? -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Wanted: Volcano. Average size. Must be active
Re: Conway Hall
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to completion Might this have anything to do with the fact that you, sir, are currently in charge[1] of it? Passing the buck, are you sir? Pistols at dawn etc. etc. Leon, vaguely remembering blech volunteering for this... [1] Strong word. You just collected email addresses didn't you? yup, you know my feelings about cash handling etc. i agreed to take numbers and names and then pass it off now if blech has volunteered more power to his elbow i just thought dha might be a good vict^H^H^Holunteer due to his travel connection greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Conway Hall
Leon Brocard wrote: Might this have anything to do with the fact that you, sir, are currently in charge[1] of it? Passing the buck, are you sir? Pistols at dawn etc. etc. Leon, vaguely remembering blech volunteering for this... If not I'll have a crack at doing it. Or doing it jointly. Or whatever. Simon [who has a vested interest in getting this done fast]
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 18:55 +, David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:44:04PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: talking of organisational skills, dave (ad) how would you fancy being a london.pm organiser for the london.pm trip to ny.pm? we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to completion Well, what dates do you want to look at? That's probably the best starting point. After that, we can start talking about options. Ok, this is me semi-formally being stupid and taking this on. Although if Simon wants to stand by If not I'll have a crack at doing it. Or doing it jointly. Or whatever. [who has a vested interest in getting this done fast] I'll welcome the help. My ideal for dates would be either side of Easter, but fairly obviously not Easter itself. Leon suggested in the pub [0] 5 days is the optimum length, and I gather that would be over a Saturday for airfare reasons, so how about (rummage, cal) Wed 25 April - Mon 30 April? Either that, or the same days a week later. We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? Greg, if you send me the list of names and addresses I'd be chuffed. (Anyone who didn't email Greg, let me know). Given that sort of info, how much is this likely to cost? Dave? Dave? Dave? Bueller? [0] Where else? (Oh yeah, drugs are bad, m'kay?) -- :: paul :: blech on rhizomatic.net (heh heh heh) :: promised a trip to NY by a client who went bust :: while working for an agency that went bust
Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:13:42PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, what dates do you want to look at? That's probably the best starting point. After that, we can start talking about options. Well several of you signed up for this - what dates suit you lot? Early April. (as for options, my preference is Virgin premier economy if i have to pay from my own pocket) I don't give a shit, as long as the seats are big enough to sleep in. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:15:59PM +, Paul Mison wrote: We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? Greg, if you send me the list of names and addresses I'd be chuffed. (Anyone who didn't email Greg, let me know). Given that sort of info, how much is this likely to cost? Dave? Dave? Dave? Bueller? Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ You can't set a generic cow. - Randal L. Schwartz
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:15:59PM +, Paul Mison wrote: We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? Greg, if you send me the list of names and addresses I'd be chuffed. (Anyone who didn't email Greg, let me know). Given that sort of info, how much is this likely to cost? Dave? Dave? Dave? Bueller? Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
Paul Mison wrote: I'll welcome the help. Consider this me co-volunteering then. We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? London.pm does April Fools' in NY. Hmm. Distinct possibilities. Means I skip the flight home to go see my Dad on his birthday (also April 1 - explains a lot) but hey ho. Simon
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). -- :: paul :: they don't come at you with guns :: they come at you with smiles
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
* Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). there is even someone saying that they are hoping to get Oven to send them to NY at some stage ;-) Greg (remember Ron and I may be up for the trip once some other variables fall into place) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote: Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny. (will try to remember to confirm this at some point...) Your best bet is to ask him. That's what we did. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ The Teletubbies are coming to America. They must be stopped!
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:37:14PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group". A group rate isn't the only way to go, but it's one option... dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On 12/02/2001 at 19:59 +, David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:37:14PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group". A group rate isn't the only way to go, but it's one option... Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a group. Aah, tricksy. How much work is it to look at both options? -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/02/2001 at 19:59 +, David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:37:14PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 12/02/2001 at 19:36 +, Greg McCarroll wrote: David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, now that you have something to work with, I can get the querying in motion... About how many people are we talking about? Any idea? i just sent a list of about 8~10 people ( i think ) Yeah, 10 +- usual errors (people who didn't know and have changed their minds, people running out of cash, etc, etc). FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group". A group rate isn't the only way to go, but it's one option... Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a group. Aah, tricksy. Am I down as interested? If not, I am. Am I down as interesting? Er... -- Piers
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 08:18:26PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 12/02/2001 at 19:59 +, David H. Adler wrote: FWIW, 10 is commonly the minimum for a "group". A group rate isn't the only way to go, but it's one option... Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. You'd be surprised... How much work is it to look at both options? The real work involved is getting mom off the phone long enough to tell her about it. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ If history teaches us anything, it's that everyone will be part of the problem, but not everyone will be part of the solution. - Larry Wall
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At 21:04 12/02/2001, Neil Ford wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote: Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny. (will try to remember to confirm this at some point...) Your best bet is to ask him. That's what we did. :-) I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity. The room we're looking at holds 80-100 people, so that's borderline PA territory in my book. And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the laptop? Or something other than the room itself? Confused? Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:17:54PM +, Dave Cross wrote: And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the laptop? Or something other than the room itself? My assumption is that that describes what is needed to connect the projector and laptop. I just had him talk to the tech people himself. :-) delagatin' dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Please do not throw hands at me.- D84, Robots Of Death
RE: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
Piers Cawley wrote: Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a group. Aah, tricksy. Am I down as interested? If not, I am. Am I down as interesting? Er... I'll be taking the Accela up to see you guys. When looking at cost, remember what hotel rates in NYC are like (almost as bad as London). You can easily pay US$250/night for a room that you would swear is in a crack house. I know a few places that are decent and resonable. Whoever is playing Julie the cruise director can contact me off list for recommendations. Airfares are pretty good right now. A colleague of mine got a round trip NY-London for US$400 with only 7 day advance on Virgin. That was economy class, but even economy class on Virgin is pretty good. My round trip train fare from Washington will run me about $280. -- mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:32:08PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: When looking at cost, remember what hotel rates in NYC are like (almost as bad as London). You can easily pay US$250/night for a room that you would swear is in a crack house. But the crack is *great*! :-) -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Linguists don't know much, but they do know that nobody can succeed in telling people at large how to speak. - Larry Wall
Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb
At 21:04 12/02/2001, Neil Ford wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote: Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, wireless microphones?) FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny. (will try to remember to confirm this at some point...) Your best bet is to ask him. That's what we did. :-) I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity. The room we're looking at holds 80-100 people, so that's borderline PA territory in my book. Something to check tomorrow. I'll stand at the back and you can do the Sub::Approx lightning talk :-) And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the laptop? Or something other than the room itself? I'll admit my message wasn't well written. What I meant was that if the room was titchy we wouldn't need a PA, etc. Might need a VGA extension cable regardless as the one on the projector isn't extremely long. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:36:56PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:32:08PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: When looking at cost, remember what hotel rates in NYC are like (almost as bad as London). You can easily pay US$250/night for a room that you would swear is in a crack house. But the crack is *great*! Not to mention, er, more traditional forms of paid-for entertainment. Paul, referring to pay-per-sc^H^Hview
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
"Mike Jarvis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:32:08PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: When looking at cost, remember what hotel rates in NYC are like (almost as bad as London). You can easily pay US$250/night for a room that you would swear is in a crack house. But the crack is *great*! Rooms actually in a crack house will be significantly more expensive. But possibly safer too...
