Re: the list
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:21:47 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:04:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world Well, there's a good article on it in the "25th anniversary" Dr Dobbs magazine. But there's also a Perl/Tk article, so don't feel left out. Bah! It's not a Perl/Tk article. It's a totally shit perl symbol table article which is unfocussed and chock full of hideous errors and misconceptions. No, hang on, that's the perl article in the next issue, which keeps mentioning Tk::Browser like it's relevant. I don't remember what the article you refer to was like, but it didn't have me shouting at the magazine. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Please keep in mind that you have come up against a KNOWN BUG in the C library, and Perl can't fix *everything* that is broken by other people." -- Chip Salzenberg
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:02:36 +, Leon Brocard wrote: And finally, dumrats used naughty words and got attacked by a daemon: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02186.html Finally, due to this and other contextual clues, I've figured out who some of these IRC names apply to. This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon? For someone who's never used IRC at all, it's particularly annoying. I'm no Luddite though, I was using Cheeseplant's house over a decade ago, and wrote my own chat system, but just never got round to IRC. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] ``Sarathy was concerned by the use of a "whole bit" for this task'' -- Simon Cozens
Re: DMP Availability
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it. Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message you're replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known only to itself) -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I washed a sock. Then I put it in the dryer. When I took it out, it was gone." -- Steven Wright
Re: DMP Availability
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:53:24 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: JWZ has a good discussion on threading algorithms: http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html Thanks very much. From a quick skim, that looks somewhat similar to the scheme I've come up with through trial and error. However, I currently allow empty containers at any point in the tree which isn't a leaf, and which doesn't only have one empty container child. I'll look through it in detail when I haven't just been getting annoyed with my own algorithm so much. Actually, the biggest problem I have with threading is Gtk's behaviour. When you double click on a CTree branch, it toggles the expansion state, which is highly annoying. I can untoggle it in most cases, but that can result in strange scrolling, leading to weird selections being left behind. Also, if it's an empty container being double clicked, I want to display the first real message, but that prevents me from untoggling the branch, somehow. I guess it would be a good idea to word-wrap message bodies, too... -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vagueness is one of those things...
Re: DMP Availability
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:51:08 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
I see your whois graffiti and raise you the domain where you can do a zone
transfer, chop off the first bit, sort, MIME-decode and get a program. (Or
something like that.)
Unfortunately, I don't remember the domain. I think it was in France
somewhere.
You mean this? Unfortunately, it doesn't work anymore, but when it did, you ended up
with DeCSS code:
dig @138.195.138.195 goret.org. axfr | grep '^c..\..*A' | sort \
| cut -b5-36 | perl -e 'while(){print pack("H32",$_)}' | gzip -d
--
Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Perl should only be studied as a second language.
A good first language would be English."
-- Larry Wall
Re: Graphical Documentation
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:40:35 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote: Oh, there seems to be something odd with that server set up. Because my copy of Gnome-Terminal does url catching I can Ctrl-Click on any url and it pops up in netscape. However, being a good url catcher it matches the '.' at the end of the url (as it should do.) Now this is really odd, as 'http://www.codewerk.com./' does not show the same thing as 'http://www.codewerk.com/' (which it should do as 'www.codewerk.com.profero.com' or 'www.codewerk.com.loc0.profero.com' doesn't exist on our network.) This is most odd. I've tried it from other locations (via the wonders of ssh tunnelling) and I get the same thing. I'd blame their virtual host recognition, although the web server here handles it properly, and we're running an even earlier version of Apache. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Let the sickos get their kicks on USENET, not in the mass media." -- Adam Rice
XML One London
Is anyone going to XML One London next week? I'll be there until Wednesday, but the Thursday didn't look any use to me. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ok, print the message, then put it in your shoe and put your shoe in front of the fireplace... then wait till Santa come and give the code to you ;-) Hey! this is not mod_santa list !" -- Fabrice Scemama on the mod_perl list
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:46:07 +, Marty Pauley wrote: The interplanitary URL is sufficient for our short-term expansion plans. Unfortunatly the actual specification of the scheme is a millitary secret, but I can target your house with the following: ipbm://3/401392692/759227092/5 Well, I can make a guess at what the first number represents. Those expansion plans really are short-term. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Put down those Windows disks Dave Dave? DAVE!!" -- HAL 9000
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:07:16 +, Dave Cross wrote: At 17:48 23/03/2001, you wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, you wrote: Well, I can make a guess at what the first number represents. Those expansion plans really are short-term. Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Put down those Windows disks Dave Dave? DAVE!!" -- HAL 9000 and for a bonus half point (cos its easy) .. why was HAL called HAL? Well, Arthur C Clarke claims it's a pure coincidence, but if you take the letters after each of H, A and L - you get IBM. I vaguely recall it standing for something like "Heuristic Algorithmic Logic," but that doesn't really set it apart from anything. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary had a little key - she kept it in escrow. And every thing that mary said, the feds were sure to know. -- Sam Simpson
Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
it today.
Actually, that message was OK.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
the Cc: so I get a line that says
Cc: X-Mailer: foo
which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply to...
That's a bug in PINE, then. There is actually a newline after Cc:, but like some other
parsers (including an early version of mine), PINE can't cope with an empty field.
MIME::Parser does something strange, too: with empty fields, -get_all returns either
('') or (undef) (I can't remember which), but with non-empty fields, -get_all returns
the contents with newlines intact, confusing things immensely for formatting code.
--
Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"My own writing [...] is of such high quality that it's almost a new media in
itself. There is writing, and there is My Writing. UltraWriting. Writing++.
Object-orientated writing with full pre-emptive multi-tasking running at
1000 rpm with a 20ms seek time, at a reasonable price (credit available)."
-- Ashley Pomeroy
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:37:38 -0800, Nathan Torkington wrote:
Greg McCarroll wrote:
sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't
the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-)
I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness,
I know that Paul wrote a 1k regexp to parse XML correctly. It only
fails one test from a real XML parsing package, and he tracked that
to the limitations of the new RE stuff in 5.6.0.
Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think of when they hear
"XML parser", but it does let me extract the bits I generally want. I wouldn't give
this a CiP rating, but then I know how it works.
# xml_parse($xml,$tag)
# Return the contents of any $tags appearing in $xml
# Returns an arrayref of hashrefs of attributes, content in {__content__}
# If $tag eq '*', returns all tags, element names in {__element__}
# This is pretty simple, and assumes the following:
#attributes match \w+
#all attributes have double-quoted values
#there are no CDATA[[]] sections
#end tags don't have attributes
#$xml is otherwise well-formed
sub xml_parse{
my($xml,$_tag)=@_;
my $tag=$_tag eq '*' ? '[\w:-]+' : "\Q$_tag\E";
# Remove comments
$xml=~s/!--.*?--//gs;
# Extract tags
my @tags;
pos $xml=0; # Reset /g position
while($xml=~m#\G.*?($tag)\b#gs){
my $tag=$1;
my %tag;
$tag{__element__}=$tag if $_tag eq '*';
while($xml=~m#\G\s+(\w+)="([^"]*)"#gc){
$tag{$1}=$2;
}
if($xml=~m#\G\s*/#gc){
# There's no content
}else{
# Get the content
$xml=~m#\G\s*#gc or next; # Next means not well formed
my $level=1;
while(1){
if($xml=~m#\G((?:(?!/?\s*\Q$tag\E\b).)+)#gcs){
# More content
$tag{__content__}.=$1;
}elsif($xml=~m#\G(/\s*\Q$tag\E\s*)#gc){
# End tag
if(--$level){
$tag{__content__}.=$1;
}else{
last;
}
}elsif($xml=~m#\G(\s*\Q$tag\E\b([^]*))#gc){
# Start tag
$tag{__content__}.=$1;
++$level unless (my $tmp=$2)=~m#/\s*$#;
}else{
# We must have reached the end of the string, so it's not well formed
last;
}
}
}
push @tags,\%tag;
}
\@tags;
}
--
Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I think there's a problem with the server power supply"
"Why?"
"There were flames coming out of the cooling fan until it stopped."
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:59:01 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: ... (A)bort (R)etry (P)ull leg (H)ot boot (S)wipe tagline! That's a clever way to stop people swiping them. Worked on me (damn!) -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Sudden death may occur without warning. Call a physician immediately." -- Warning found on a can of Freon
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:08:09 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel! Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!" Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm. I've yet to see a unicycle with a quick release wheel, though. However, mine does have a quick release saddle. That's to say, last time I mounted it, the saddle snapped in two. That was over six months ago, and I still haven't got round to fitting the new saddle I immediately bought. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat from the CPU. They can tell which jobs are running from the rate of popping.
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:18 +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of the same age did any real grammer in school so you can expect a fair size chunk of 20-22 year olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes good grammar. Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper punctuation and grammar at school? I'm 30, and I don't *remember* being taught grammar at all. It confused the hell out of me when we were all expected to know what prepositions, adverbs and the perfect present were when I started learning French. Although I vaguely remember apostrophes, I'm pretty sure I was never taught the proper uses of (semi)colons and dashes. Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with it being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly with grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that up. Maybe I don't remember the grammar lessons because they were boring, or maybe they were taught after I left at the place I move away from, and before I arrived at the place I moved to. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I used to recognise C64 kernel and interpreter entry points in car registration numbers as a game." -- Paul Makepeace
