Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:22:38PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done > > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone > > > knows, is impossible. > > > > No it isn't! > > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! Yes it is! uh... hang on, that's not right. I'll come in again... dha -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Trust the computer industry to shorten the term "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this kind of thinking that got us in trouble in the first place. - Adrian Tyvand
RE: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
From: Chris Devers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 PM > At 03:22 PM 2001.05.16 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > >That's not argument, it's just contradiction! > > Ahh, you must be looking for a different forum then. > > Try Castro's site. ;) "Sorry, this is 'senseless abuse'". -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Robert Shiels wrote: > > Leon > > > > ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody > > > ...is that dollars or pounds... Turkish lire? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
[snip] > Leon > -- > Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ > Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ > > ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody > ...is that dollars or pounds... /Robert
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > No it isn't! > > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! Arguments are down the hall. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
At 03:22 PM 2001.05.16 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: >That's not argument, it's just contradiction! Ahh, you must be looking for a different forum then. Try Castro's site. ;) -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 04:31:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Simon Cozens wrote: > > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! > I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid. Ah, you going into consulting as well, eh? -- "The elder gods went to Suggoth and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Simon Cozens wrote: > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
* at 16/05 15:22 +0100 Simon Cozens said: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done > > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone > > > knows, is impossible. > > > > No it isn't! > > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! must resist temptation struan
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone > > knows, is impossible. > > No it isn't! That's not argument, it's just contradiction! -- There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, 16 May 2001, James Powell wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:19PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done requires > > two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone knows, is impossible. > > No it isn't! You're right; it isn't. (Had to be done.) Tony
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:19PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote: > > Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one. > > Therefore having three people must be even better. > > But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . . > > Better yet - design/develop by committee! > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done requires > two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone knows, is impossible. No it isn't! (sorry) jp
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote: > Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one. > Therefore having three people must be even better. > But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . . > Better yet - design/develop by committee! You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone knows, is impossible. -- So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth. (Monty Python)
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
From: "Matthew Byng-Maddick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 16 May 2001, Barbie wrote: > > sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has > > deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked :( > > dare I enquire how you sent this mail, then? > > :) Oh yeah and them. Apparently it's stop people using newsgroups and Napster. We didn't bother explaining that most of us use mailing lists and use ftp to download mp3s. Barbie
RE: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
> From: Robin Houston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Do you think it's possible to take XP too far? > *Too* extreme? > Sure it is. Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one. Therefore having three people must be even better. But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . . Better yet - design/develop by committee! Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Barbie wrote: > sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has > deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked :( dare I enquire how you sent this mail, then? :) MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) In California they don't throw their garbage away -- they make it into television shows. -- Woody Allen, "Annie Hall"
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
From: "Robin Houston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks, babelfish. try www.freetranslation.com. Unfortunately I can't try it from here as our sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked :( Barbie.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > "Felix: How extreme! But good..." > > Extreme indeed... but it *does* satisfy the test cases they've written so > far, and it contains no unnecessary flexibility ;) Do you think it's possible to take XP too far? *Too* extreme? .robin. (can't stop laughing) -- "You are bound to be in a state of mental unrest, even turmoil. And of course there can be no inner peace: be proud of it!" -- Electric Posters, Piotr Szyhalski
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible... > Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :) Which does? :) -- "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On or about Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:26:07PM +0100, Robin Houston typed: > One XP day passes fast, since you programmed all day long long > exerted with your colleagues. That means it not that you look your > partner with the work over the shoulder. In the opposite. To be in the > pair to program meant attentively into the programming episode > involved. Yup, looks as if Google's using the same translation engine... > Felix: Well, if you it *** TRANSLATION ENDS HERE ***also weisst und ...but it cuts off a couple of lines sooner, without a warning flag. http://translate.google.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=URL Roger
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Robin Houston wrote:
> Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible...
Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :)
I like the section "Keep the design as simple as possible":
"The design strategy implies starting with a simple design and continually
improving it. In fact, design elements that are more complicated than
absolutely necessary at the moment are delayes, even if only for a few
minutes. That means that you choose from among several possible solutions
the one that appears to be the simplest yet will satisfy the test. You
program only what you really need right now, not, what you may need later
on. You even go so far as to remove unnecessary flexibility from the code.
You prove that the current solution is too simple by writing a test case
which justifies a more complex design.
"Ulrich: OK. You want me simply to get the test running and to forget
everything else for the moment.
"Felix: Exactly. What would you do, if you only had to implement this one
test?
"Ulrich: Hah, that's really easy.
public class Customer {
public void rentMovie (int daysRented) {
}
public int getTotalCharge () {
return 2;
}
}
"Felix: How extreme! But good..."
Extreme indeed... but it *does* satisfy the test cases they've written so
far, and it contains no unnecessary flexibility ;)
> *** TRANSLATION ENDS HERE ***
>
> Thanks, babelfish.
Well, copy and paste the next part of the page into babelfish.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:41:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > (or trust Babelfish), One XP day passes fast, since you programmed all day long long exerted with your colleagues. That means it not that you look your partner with the work over the shoulder. In the opposite. To be in the pair to program meant attentively into the programming episode involved. Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible... Ulrich: Okay, this test will not run. Felix: From where do you know that? Schau after, you never knows! Ulrich: We say ourselves simply, I are rather safe. Felix: Well, if you it *** TRANSLATION ENDS HERE ***also weisst und nehmen wir an, der Test zeigt grün, würde das demnach bedeuten, daß entweder unser Test falsch ist oder aber der Code Dinge tut, die er nicht machen darf, richtig? Mach den Test! Thanks, babelfish. .robin. -- "I would like to load you to become acquainted with the handicraft of XP and the life feeling of a easy-weighty process."
A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Seen in news:de.alt.sysadmin.recovery : http://www.frankwestphal.de/XPueberdieSchultergeschaut.html The poster thought it was satire; I'm not so sure. Anyway, if you understand German (or trust Babelfish), have a look at it. Enjoy! Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
