Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:10:39AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> > london.pm web pages :)
> 
> Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?

I believe we could.  It costs something like 400 quid to do the search and
register it and stuff.

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:37:12AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> > > > london.pm web pages :)
> > > Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?
> > trademarking the trademarking of a perl mongers website? 
> Trademarking beer in connection with perl, silly.
> 

oh sorry, that makes perfect sense! god, i'm glad i'm away from
you lot for a bit longer this month, so i can regain some sanity.



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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Robert Shiels]

From: "Jon Eyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 13 March 2001 10:14
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the
> > > london.pm web pages :)
> >
> > Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?
>
> ---
> To be registrable a trade mark must be:
>

and it must be paid for!

http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/howtoapply/index.htm
It costs £200 (pounds sterling) to apply to register a trade mark in one
class of goods/services, and £50 (pounds sterling) for each additional
class. Please remember that this fee is not refundable if the mark turns out
not to be registrable for any reason - it covers the cost of examination of
an application as well as other administrative costs. Please make cheques
payable to "The Patent Office".

/Robert

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Jon Eyre]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> > london.pm web pages :)
> 
> Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?

---
To be registrable a trade mark must be:

distinctive for the goods/services 
for which registration is sought, 

and

not deceptive, or contrary to law or morality,

and

not identical or similar to any earlier marks for 
the same or similar goods/services. 
---
(http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/definition.htm)

Unless you interpret that third criterion to mean that 
O'Reilly have a blanket trademark on all phrases of the class:

"The use of $THING in association with the Perl language..."

then I see no reason (except the bureacratic hassles) why 
it shouldn't be trademarkable, though IANAL... 

jon

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> > london.pm web pages :)
> 
> Anyone know if we could ACTUALLY trademark this?
> 

trademarking the trademarking of a perl mongers website? 

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 20:18 12/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:02:07PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
> > > it came to _beer_.
> >
> >Just beer in relation to perl
> 
> You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> london.pm web pages :)
> 

excellent dave, make sure you tm the cute little camel we use as well ;-)

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 20:18 12/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:02:07PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
> > > it came to _beer_.
> >
> >Just beer in relation to perl
> 
> You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
> london.pm web pages :)

Bloody redcoats...

dha :-)
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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At 20:18 12/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:02:07PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote:
> >
> > I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
> > it came to _beer_.
>
>Just beer in relation to perl

You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the 
london.pm web pages :)

Dave...



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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:02:07PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote:
> 
> I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
> it came to _beer_.  

Just beer in relation to perl

dha

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* Mark Rogaski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> An entity claiming to be Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : 
> : bah, you don't catch us resting on historical laurels - such as the
> : time Stowe set up the TVR Jug train, or the time we had that little
> : incident with the toilet seat, no siree, we perform month in month
> : out - apart from january of course ;-)
> : 
> 
> I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
> it came to _beer_.  
> 

no i just wanted to keep a thread about alchohol going ;-)


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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Mark Rogaski]

An entity claiming to be Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: 
: bah, you don't catch us resting on historical laurels - such as the
: time Stowe set up the TVR Jug train, or the time we had that little
: incident with the toilet seat, no siree, we perform month in month
: out - apart from january of course ;-)
: 

I think you missed the obvious absurdity of the US claiming prior art when
it came to _beer_.  

Mark

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> Ah, but you never were at any of the early meetings when Randal was
> still drinking... :)
> 

bah, you don't catch us resting on historical laurels - such as the
time Stowe set up the TVR Jug train, or the time we had that little
incident with the toilet seat, no siree, we perform month in month
out - apart from january of course ;-)

Greg 

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London.pm - meetings held on the day after the first wednesday of the month

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:25:38PM +, Marty Pauley wrote:
> On Sat Mar 10 08:30:53 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> > > > is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure NY.pm can claim prior art here... :)
> > > 
> > 
> > But aren't trademarks associated with market association, i think
> > London.pm wins here ... ;-) 
> 
> As an impartial observer who has watched both of you, I think London.pm has it.
> NY.pm can use pizza instead.

Ah, but you never were at any of the early meetings when Randal was
still drinking... :)

dha
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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 10:39 12/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > > At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/
> > > >
> > > > DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
> > > >
> > > > With a photo as well no less.
> > >
> > > Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> > > meeting. 
> > >
> > > > Well done DJ.
> > >
> > > Seconded.
> >
> >suggestion for website:
> >
> >How about a page of our acheivments?
> >
> >ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?
> 
> Great idea. Wanna collate the information?
> 

and remember, you can start with the achievement "collated the information for this 
page"


Greg 

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At 10:39 12/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > http://www.oreillynet.com/
> > >
> > > DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
> > >
> > > With a photo as well no less.
> >
> > Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> > meeting. 
> >
> > > Well done DJ.
> >
> > Seconded.
>
>suggestion for website:
>
>How about a page of our acheivments?
>
>ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?

Great idea. Wanna collate the information?

Dave...



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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Marty Pauley]

On Sat Mar 10 08:30:53 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> > > 
> > > Heh!
> > 
> > > "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> > > is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure NY.pm can claim prior art here... :)
> > 
> 
> But aren't trademarks associated with market association, i think
> London.pm wins here ... ;-) 

As an impartial observer who has watched both of you, I think London.pm has it.
NY.pm can use pizza instead.

-- 
Marty

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Aaron Trevena]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dean wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:39:43AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > suggestion for website:
> > 
> > How about a page of our acheivments? 
> > 
> > ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?
> 
> If you were going to do this shouldn't they just go under the member pages on 
>london.pm.org?
> 

could do - but I like the idea of a trophy cabinet type thing.. people can
be proud to have added something to the london.pm trophy cabinet.

A.

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dean]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:39:43AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> suggestion for website:
> 
> How about a page of our acheivments? 
> 
> ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?

If you were going to do this shouldn't they just go under the member pages on 
london.pm.org?

Dean
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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Aaron Trevena]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/
> > 
> > DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
> > 
> > With a photo as well no less.
> 
> Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> meeting. 
> 
> > Well done DJ.
> 
> Seconded.

suggestion for website:

How about a page of our acheivments? 

ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats?

A. 


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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Greg McCarroll]

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > 
> > > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> > 
> > Heh!
> 
> > "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> > is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".
> 
> I'm pretty sure NY.pm can claim prior art here... :)
> 

But aren't trademarks associated with market association, i think
London.pm wins here ... ;-) 

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London.pm - meetings held on the day after the first wednesday of the month

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David H. Adler]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> 
> Heh!

> "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

I'm pretty sure NY.pm can claim prior art here... :)

dha
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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[DJ Adams]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:56:30AM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> 
> I can't remember, but I *think* I took that picture.  Not that I actually
> give a shit.

Oops, sorry! I thought it was Robert that took it. Mea culpa :-(

At least we (London PM) get some publicity from the article (I couldn't 
find a URL for Squackers).

dj

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David Cantrell]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:48:16AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:32:37 +, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > > http://london.pm.org/MeetPics3.html
> > 
> > I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...
> 
> Heh!

I can't remember, but I *think* I took that picture.  Not that I actually
give a shit.

> "The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
> is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

Sounds about right :-)

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:32:37 +, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
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> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> > Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> > meeting. 
> 
> I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...

Heh!

"The use of the beer glass image in association with the Perl language 
is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers".

Dave...

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[David Cantrell]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:30:39AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

> Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
> meeting. 

I wonder if O'Reilly approached the copyright holder ...

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Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Dave Cross]

At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/
> 
> DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!
> 
> With a photo as well no less.

Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a london.pm
meeting. 

> Well done DJ.

Seconded.

Dave...

DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

[Robert Shiels]

http://www.oreillynet.com/

DJ Adams,  yet another famous London Perl Monger!

With a photo as well no less.

Well done DJ.

-- 
Robert