Re: odd -w effect
On or about Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:48:50PM +, Redvers Davies typed: >If you run enlightment as a windowmanager you can use the URL >epplet. You simply highlight the URL (or a lump of text which contains >a URL) and click "www", "ftp" or "get". WWW opens up a web browser, >ftp opens up an xterm with ftp running and connected and "get" runs >wwwget and saves the file in your local directory. The collected genius of London.pm should be able to come up with a perl/Tk program to do this. In fact, had I not had to do some actual work today, I'd probably have written one already. Thus is genius constrained and (cont. p94) R
Re: odd -w effect
> to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being > able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows) > than this manual delete time wastage. If you run enlightment as a windowmanager you can use the URL epplet. You simply highlight the URL (or a lump of text which contains a URL) and click "www", "ftp" or "get". WWW opens up a web browser, ftp opens up an xterm with ftp running and connected and "get" runs wwwget and saves the file in your local directory. Red
Re: odd -w effect
* Benjamin Holzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 07:15:26PM -0500, Benjamin Holzman wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy >^^^ > > $ sudo apt-get install wmnetselect > > $ wmnetselect & > ^^ > > Oops, sorry. I forgot that not everybody uses WindowMaker. I doubt wmnetselect > will work very well under KDE, although I suppose it's worth a try. > your solution works for KDE as well if you just add an extra step 1 install windowmaker and set it as your default wm 2 > > $ sudo apt-get install wmnetselect 3 > > $ wmnetselect & -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 07:15:26PM -0500, Benjamin Holzman wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy
^^^
> $ sudo apt-get install wmnetselect
> $ wmnetselect &
^^
Oops, sorry. I forgot that not everybody uses WindowMaker. I doubt wmnetselect
will work very well under KDE, although I suppose it's worth a try.
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Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy
> a URL in a mail message by highlighting it, what's the fastest
> way of getting that loaded in a browser? Right now I have
> to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being
> able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows)
> than this manual delete time wastage.
$ sudo apt-get install wmnetselect
$ wmnetselect &
Ben
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Re: odd -w effect
> My solution is truly disgusting, but works. I've patched bash so that I
> can paste (middle click) a http URL onto the command line and it will
> start in netscape. As I always have at least one terminal open on my
> desktop that does the job perfectly.
Whenever I'm doing this I tend to
1) Highlight the text
2) Click the middle mouse button at the start of the dialog I want to
paste to
3) Hit Ctrl-K (deleting all the old text to the right of the cursor)
4) Press return.
This tends to work no matter what you are using - there are better ways
depending on what browser you use, etc, but this tends to work
universally. YMMV.
Later.
Mark.
P.S. Try putting the mini-commander applet in gnome in it's own toolbar,
put it bottom right, remove the tabs and set it to slide out - voila - a
prompt that materialises whenever I put my cursor in the bottom right of my
screen - and one that can accept pasted urls.
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Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy > a URL in a mail message by highlighting it, what's the fastest > way of getting that loaded in a browser? Just place the pointer over the current web page and click the middle button, and Netscape will open that URL. This doesn't work for a new Netscape window that hasn't got a page open yet for some reason. -- Niklas Nordebo -><- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 618, further transmissions to you by the sender may be stopped at NO COST to you by forwarding this e-mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=remove
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy > a URL in a mail message by highlighting it, what's the fastest > way of getting that loaded in a browser? Right now I have > to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being > able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows) > than this manual delete time wastage. My solution is truly disgusting, but works. I've patched bash so that I can paste (middle click) a http URL onto the command line and it will start in netscape. As I always have at least one terminal open on my desktop that does the job perfectly. Let me know if you want the patch. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is nice. Any idea what body-part it is?
Re: odd -w effect
* at 24/01 12:07 -0600 Paul Makepeace said: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > > is the prefered development environment. > > Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than linux's (right now) and > linux doesn't have a decent browser which is a serious handicap. mozilla's pretty good. 9ok it does fall over a bit and is a bit of a memory hog but i think you can point those fingers at ie too. > > > > Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy > a URL in a mail message by highlighting it, what's the fastest > way of getting that loaded in a browser? Right now I have > to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being > able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows) > than this manual delete time wastage. does ALT+L not open the open location dialog into which you can just paste the url? but yeah, it is a bit broken that. (or CTRL B and then select the relevant url :) struan
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:09:41PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: > Here here. I have yet to find a Unix editor I like. SO I use Ultraedit > under Wine c.f http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/stuff/uedit.jpg Allaire's HomeSite is excellent as a perl editor too; regexes, syntax colouring, open file tabs (like UE's) and the most bestest HTML reference ever. Paul
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > > is the prefered development environment. > Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than linux's (right now) and > linux doesn't have a decent browser which is a serious handicap. My mileage varies. Although you're right about the browser. Michael
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > is the prefered development environment. Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than linux's (right now) and linux doesn't have a decent browser which is a serious handicap. I use a Mac Cube at home although still think Window's UI is better -- I'm trying to figure out what everyone thinks is so great about the Mac UI (alt-tab is braindead, no minimize all, can't use keyboard shortcuts for any menu item, no easy way to find open folders in Finder, etc). Its pastel shades are great though, I'll give it that. Linux UI question (on Debian/KDE laptop right now): If I copy a URL in a mail message by highlighting it, what's the fastest way of getting that loaded in a browser? Right now I have to delete the URL in a browser window and then paste. Being able to click it and then hit ^V is *much* nicer (in Windows) than this manual delete time wastage. Paul
RE: odd -w effect
At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:23:57 -, "Bates, Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest > way to produce it.<< > > so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? Oh, I'd probably do something based using the Template Toolkit :) But seriously, probably DocBook, or Latex. Dave...
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > > > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > is the prefered development environment. I'm with you on that one. That's what I'm doing right now, and with PuTTY being such a great tiny-footprint client, the combo is lowest-common- denominator and extremely portable. I don't get involved with the e.g. Gnome vs KDE or whatever - because I don't have a 'desktop' as such. luvverly. dj '80x25' adams
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:23:57PM -, Bates, Duncan wrote: > >>I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest > way to produce it.<< > > so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? docbook? markup / WYSINWYG rules dj
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: > From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. > > > > Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh > > well. > > > > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > > is the prefered development environment. > > Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X > stuff. > I am using X-WIn32 right now. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: odd -w effect
Original Message- From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Must remember to try IE under WINE. > >Don't bother. It doesn't work. I've seen IE5 running under wine on Debian. The machine did have a 98 partition though so he might have been using the libraries from there, is that cheating? :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: odd -w effect
-Original Message- From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running >samba >> is the prefered development environment. > >Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X >stuff. If you've got a nice meaty box at home then run Linux with NT in vmware, you get a very nice system that way. You have a two machine subnet for clean network testing that can be firewalled off at the Linux host os, you can use procmail to check for vbs viri and then use outlook and IE for web browsing. Its how I used to do 95% of my work. Well until my motherboard started frying harddrives... Dean PS Running Linux in VMWare on NT works fine as well but its sick :) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
RE: odd -w effect
>>I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest way to produce it.<< so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in? -- Duncan Bates Developer Proxicom UK Tel: 020 7321 3812 Mobile: 07884 336 532 http://www.proxicom.com/
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:18:17PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > Must remember to try IE under WINE. Don't bother. It doesn't work. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is nice. Any idea what body-part it is?
Re: odd -w effect
At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:18:17 +, Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just find Windows too bloody frustrating whenever I want to do > anything other than edit "documents". I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest way to produce it. This was a mistake. I will never do it again. Dave...
Re: odd -w effect
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:15:34PM +, Michael Stevens typed: >What box I want depends on the local environment - windows boxes can >be easier to run on windows networks, and linux boxes on more unixy or >open networks. I just find Windows too bloody frustrating whenever I want to do anything other than edit "documents". Must remember to try IE under WINE. R
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:05:27PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: > From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. > > > Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X > stuff. The one windows application I can't live without is IE. linux box, with a solaris machine for supplying much needed web browsing. I've not tried this yet, though. What box I want depends on the local environment - windows boxes can be easier to run on windows networks, and linux boxes on more unixy or open networks. Michael
Re: odd -w effect
From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. > > Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh > well. > > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba > is the prefered development environment. Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X stuff. /Robert
RE: odd -w effect
> > *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh well. Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment.
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:31:02PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:50PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > > with unix line ending conventions... > Having recently done this, the thing you want is > set-buffer-file-coding-system, the default keybinding being 'C-x RET f'. I > can highly recommend undecided-unix. Cool, that seems to work. Now experimenting with (set-default-coding-systems 'undecided-unix) Michael
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:39:13PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:36:40PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed: > > >I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins > > >you see outside offices. > > D&D is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text. > > I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut & paste. > > I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace > that with the contents of the clipboard. > Presume you have Pending-delete-mode in Xemacs set up then I also have this in my .emacs (ctrl changed to alt, just to confuse me when moving platforms but not to confuse emacs or X). ;; windows emu (require 'pc-select) (pc-select-mode t) (global-set-key [(alt c)] copy-primary-selection) (global-set-key [(alt v)] yank) (global-set-key [(alt x)] copy-region-as-kill) (global-set-key [(alt left)] backward-word) (global-set-key [(alt right)] forward-word) (global-set-key [(alt up)] backward-paragraph) (global-set-key [(alt down)] forward-paragraph)
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:50PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > with unix line ending conventions... Having recently done this, the thing you want is set-buffer-file-coding-system, the default keybinding being 'C-x RET f'. I can highly recommend undecided-unix. -- Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Michael Stevens wrote: > I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut & paste. > > I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace > that with the contents of the clipboard. Why do you hate to say it? It's better than cut and paste of X. Linux isn't the be all and end all. It's not even the best Unix clone out there in my opinion - it just has the most support. But if that's the measure of how good it is then Windows is better. Inux just happens to be better at doing most stuff that we need to do. But it doesn't mean that it's the best OS. In fact when you think about it it's a bit shit and is based on 30 year old technology which wasn't even the best OS back then (c.f http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) but then at least it's not nearly as bad as X is. *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. Simon [grumpy today]
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Mark Fowler wrote: > UltraEdit32 is a really good windows editor[1] if you like the way of > Windows. It does all the right things (in the way that perl does all the > right things) with line endings. And a lot more (but in a good way, not > in a bloat way) Here here. I have yet to find a Unix editor I like. SO I use Ultraedit under Wine c.f http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/stuff/uedit.jpg
Re: odd -w effect
From: "Michael Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 24 January 2001 12:43 Subject: Re: odd -w effect > > OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix > used more in the workplace. I dunno. > Well, it does actually, in a roundabout way. People who run it at home, will want to play with it at work too. They'll see an old Pentium box in the corner of the office not being used, and stick Linux on it. They will hook it up to the network and /Robert
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As I seemed to be destined to be ignored, I'll do what I should have done
and shoult a little louder:
UltraEdit32 is a really good windows editor[1] if you like the way of
Windows. It does all the right things (in the way that perl does all the
right things) with line endings. And a lot more (but in a good way, not
in a bloat way)
If you're on Windows and you want to be on Linux then get emacs or
whatever, which do work, but don't bitch about the people using
their metophor of choice not using emacs. Just bitch at them for
using a shit program (e.g. notepad) and give them a really nice
windows style program (e.g. ultraedit). TMTOWTDI.
Later.
Mark.
[1] It's shareware. It's actually the last commerical software (excluding
games) I bought.
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Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:46:13PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: > > >We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and > >IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't > >try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going > >"aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and > >you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, > >and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. > >OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix > >used more in the workplace. I dunno. > I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" - > when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone > of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all > the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can > I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head > with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway). I was actually thinking religion here as the analogy... Anyway, we seem to be in furious agreement. Michael
Re: odd -w effect
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: >We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and >IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't >try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going >"aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and >you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, >and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. > >OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix >used more in the workplace. I dunno. I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" - when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway). Roger
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:35:17PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: > Let's be kind to the poor Windows users, encouraging them with the lure of > free powerful software; once they get a taste for it they'll be begging you > to help them get Linux installed as a dual boot on their home machines, then > as they get used to it and driver support gets better they'll find > themselves booting Linux more than Windows, then their conversion away from > the dark side will be complete :-) I think the appropriate attitude is to NOT try to convert people, except possibly in a slightly silly "muh, you must use linux for everything" way that I personally don't take too seriously. We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going "aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves, and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed. OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix used more in the workplace. I dunno. Michael
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:36:40PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed: > >I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins > >you see outside offices. > D&D is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text. I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut & paste. I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace that with the contents of the clipboard. Michael
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> > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > >that some people use windows. > > If only I could. > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... Let's just take it as a fact that Linux is better than Windows; we all know this, we all run Linux for everything at home, we wouldn't even think of installing Windows. Now, how far do we go? Do we not take jobs where the employer has any Windows machines in the office? Do we grudgingly accept that other people might be allowed Windows machines, but they had better not talk to me about any of their problems? Or, as perl advocates, do we realise that 90% of the world is running on Windows, and that perl and apache and mySQL are free and easily installed on these systems, and that we can help our friends and colleagues to escape from VB and IIS and Access and start doing real programming on their own machines, without trashing their main working environment, the one they actually must have in order to do their jobs? I know which one I do. Not all people who use Windows have a choice, not everyone who has a PC wants to buy new peripherals because Linux doesn't support the ones they have yet. Let's be kind to the poor Windows users, encouraging them with the lure of free powerful software; once they get a taste for it they'll be begging you to help them get Linux installed as a dual boot on their home machines, then as they get used to it and driver support gets better they'll find themselves booting Linux more than Windows, then their conversion away from the dark side will be complete :-) /Robert
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On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed: >I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins >you see outside offices. D&D is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text. Anyone played much with PowerArchiver? Freeware WinZip clone. Given how many unregistered copies are floating around... R
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* at 24/01 13:18 + Greg McCarroll said: > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: > > > > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > > > > >that some people use windows. > > > > If only I could. > > > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... > > > > > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > > > with unix line ending conventions... > > > > And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but > > I haven't yet worked out how to change them. > > > > its more the people, a lot of them want to drag and drop and > have file menus i seem to recall from my windows days that textpad was configurable about these things and has all those nice things that make windows users feel at home. struan
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:18:16PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but > > I haven't yet worked out how to change them. > its more the people, a lot of them want to drag and drop and > have file menus I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins you see outside offices. michael
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At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:18:16 +, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: > > > > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > > > > >that some people use windows. > > > > If only I could. > > > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... > > > > > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to > > > save with unix line ending conventions... > > > > And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, > > but I haven't yet worked out how to change them. > > its more the people, a lot of them want to drag and drop and > have file menus Xemacs for Windows has all of that. And more. Much, much more[1]. Dave... [1] Some might even say _too_ much more :)
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* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: > > > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > > > >that some people use windows. > > > If only I could. > > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... > > > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > > with unix line ending conventions... > > And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but > I haven't yet worked out how to change them. > its more the people, a lot of them want to drag and drop and have file menus -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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Michael Stevens wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > with unix line ending conventions... :set fileformat=unix Oops, wrong editor :-) Cheers, Philip (Though if fileformats is set to something like "dos,unix", the line ending should be autodetected and preserved.)
Re: odd -w effect
At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: > > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > > >that some people use windows. > > If only I could. > > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... > > Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save > with unix line ending conventions... And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but I haven't yet worked out how to change them. Dave...
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: > >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot > >that some people use windows. > If only I could. > Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save with unix line ending conventions... Michael
Re: odd -w effect
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: >Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot >that some people use windows. If only I could. Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows... R
Re: odd -w effect
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:57:13PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
> Mark Fowler wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> >
> > Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
> > editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
> > lines and screw up the file. That's what I normally find the
> > problem is when 'nix can't find the file.
>
> That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:
>
> > > ": no such file or directory
>
> which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
> directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
> the rest of the error message.
Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot
that some people use windows.
--james.
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Re: odd -w effect
Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
> editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
> lines and screw up the file. That's what I normally find the
> problem is when 'nix can't find the file.
That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:
> > ": no such file or directory
which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
the rest of the error message.
Cheers,
Philip
Re: odd -w effect
- Original Message - From: "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 24 January 2001 11:19 Subject: Re: odd -w effect > > Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions? > I've also had this problem with CGI scripts running under apache on Windows. Keep the -w in the file, that's been my solution. /Robert
Re: odd -w effect
> Strange. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
lines and screw up the file. That's what I normally find the problem is
when 'nix can't find the file.
Later.
Mark.
P.S. UltraEdit32 is a good choice of Windows editor.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
