Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
Bryan J Smith wrote: [...] [4] http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236 *Ab*so*lu*te*ly* hilarious! :-) -- Alessandro Selli Tel: 340.839.73.05 http://alessandro.route-add.net, VOIP: sip:dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 ___

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/06/2013 22:14, Alessandro Selli wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 20/06/2013 12:32, Alessandro Selli wrote: I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. Most modern distributions use the ext4 driver to handle all ext* filesystems. ext4 does support the most often used attributes, the

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/06/2013 22:30, Bryan J Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com mailto:alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: Aren't there already several plain awareness areas? Actually, that's the question for Exam Writers under Bloom's Taxonomy. I

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/06/2013 18:36, Anselm Lingnau wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: These days rcs is primarily a sysadmin tool whereas CVS/SVN/Git are primarily developer's tools RCS sucks as a sysadmin tool, for two reasons: (a) it does not track a file's permissions, and (b) in many cases several files

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
Alessandro Selli wrote: However I noticed that even Debian stable no longer has wireless-tools WHOA! Wrong: $ apt-cache search wireless-tools wireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions Maybe they are just no longer installed by default, or maybe I purged them out

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Anselm Lingnau
Alessandro Selli wrote: I just think that it would take a bare minute telling people that: 1) there are more attributes than ls or stat show you; 2) they can be seen with lsattr and set/uset with chattr; 3) the really useful and fully implemented/supported ones are the immutable and

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
Anselm Lingnau ha scritto: Alessandro Selli wrote: I just think that it would take a bare minute telling people that: 1) there are more attributes than ls or stat show you; 2) they can be seen with lsattr and set/uset with chattr; 3) the really useful and fully implemented/supported ones

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread G. Matthew Rice
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: 4) for a full list of supported attributes see man chattr(1). I wouldn't bother putting file attributes in LPIC-1 because they're not used a So, in summary, let's save the *attr and capabilities talk for LPIC-1

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
G. Matthew Rice wrote: [...] I can also add the iw command to the key files list, too. I have it in /usr/sbin but I'm reluctant to put in /usr/sbin/iw as the path unless it's universal. Can anyone confirm or deny this? $ lsb_release -drc Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy) Release:

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread G. Matthew Rice
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: I can also add the iw command to the key files list, too. I have it in /usr/sbin but I'm reluctant to put in /usr/sbin/iw as the path unless it's universal. Can anyone confirm or deny this? $ lsb_release -drc

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Bryan J Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: G. Matthew Rice wrote: [...] I can also add the iw command to the key files list, too. I have it in /usr/sbin but I'm reluctant to put in /usr/sbin/iw as the path unless it's universal. Can anyone confirm

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Bryan J Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote: So it's like lilo then (recently discussed here)? I concur on Ext4, it's the kernel module used for all Ext* file systems since 2010 or so. I too don't think fs attrs worthy of inclusion in an exam, they are just

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Bryan J Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote: I could go along with that, especially if questions were worded something along the lines of You can't edit a file you own but the permissions are 644, what's up? and possible answers are fs is mounted ro, chattr

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread G. Matthew Rice
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: These days rcs is primarily a sysadmin tool whereas CVS/SVN/Git are primarily developer's tools But I'm not advocating we test rcs as we really don't need to do exhaustive testing. It's after all a statistical

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Bryan J Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Anselm Lingnau anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de wrote: RCS sucks as a sysadmin tool, for two reasons: (a) it does not track a file's permissions, and (b) in many cases several files have to be changed at the same time to achieve some desired goal – even

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Bryan J Smith
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: Aren't there already several plain awareness areas? Actually, that's the question for Exam Writers under Bloom's Taxonomy. I think we were just giving examples of potential questions as nothing more than

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
Bryan J Smith wrote: [...] I kid you not when I see this _constantly_. ;) Amazing. ___ lpi-examdev mailing list lpi-examdev@lpi.org http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-19 Thread Alessandro Selli
Scott Lamberton wrote on lpi-disc...@lpi.org: Linux Professional Institute revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs (Sacramento, CA, USA: June 18, 2013) The Linux Professional Institute (LPI:http://www.lpi.org), the world's premier Linux certification

Re: [lpi-examdev] [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] LPI revises objectives for LPIC-2 and LPIC-3 Linux certification programs

2013-06-19 Thread G. Matthew Rice
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Alessandro Selli alessandrose...@linux.com wrote: 1) extended file attributes (chattr and lsattr); chattr was dropped from LPIC-1 back in 2008/9 (or whenever these changes were made): http://wiki.lpi.org/wiki/LPIC1AndLPIC2SummaryVersion2To3 probably