Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22

2019-04-03 Thread Alvaro Retana
On March 29, 2019 at 1:55:17 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) (ginsb...@cisco.com) wrote: Les: Hi! Thanks for the update. I have a couple of comments on your replies — no showstoppers. However, it looks like my original comments were truncated; I added the remaining comments at the end. I am

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding: Including LANs in the Flooding Topology

2019-04-03 Thread Robert Raszuk
As far as attack if someone can attach to LAN and if he knows security details he can do much better then hack IGP. But oh well if we prefer to continue to ride on current type of roads while complicating design of new vehicles to accomodate it that is fine too. Best, R. On Wed, Apr 3, 2019,

Re: [Lsr] LANs in IGPs

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
If you want a way to more easily enable P2P mode by default – speak to your favorite vendor. That is a feature – not a protocol extension. Completely disagree. To detect how many IGP peers are on the interface and to do the switchover gracefully between 2 vs N or N vs 2 protocol extension is

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding: Including LANs in the Flooding Topology

2019-04-03 Thread Tony Przygienda
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 1:36 AM Robert Raszuk wrote: > Hi Tony, > > > The fact that we use them in a point-to-point fashion today is somewhat > orthogonal, as from > > the routing protocol layer, *we cannot tell* whether an interface is > point-to-point or not, and we > > must be explicitly

Re: [Lsr] LANs in IGPs

2019-04-03 Thread Robert Raszuk
> What extension are you proposing? If you have only two routers on LAN based on IIH multicast discovery you are still forming an adj between them (you do that anyway as one of them will be DIS). But for flooding reduction point of view you can treat it as p2p link (so it must be signaled as

Re: [Lsr] LANs in IGPs

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Robert – Having one circuit (or even 2 or 3) run in LAN mode “unnecessarily” does not represent a significant scale issue. The need for the extension you suggest would come only when there are many such circuits which could change from 2 nodes only to > 2 (and possibly back again). Unless that

Re: [Lsr] draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - V3 of the draft has been posted. Hopefully it addresses your remaining comment. Les From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 6:59 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org; draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org Cc: Alvaro Retana Subject: RE:

[Lsr] LANs in IGPs

2019-04-03 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Les, Sorry – but I really think you are taking this thread off topic. > If asking a question which is outside of the box is equal to thread hijacking then sorry. But you won - subject line changed. But I really think this isn’t relevant. The use of LANs in the flooding > topology is only

Re: [Lsr] LANs in IGPs

2019-04-03 Thread tony . li
Hi Robert, > But I really think this isn’t relevant. The use of LANs in the flooding > topology is only meaningful if we have a multi-access circuit which is used > for transit traffic. And at least some of us are leaning to allowing for that > possibility – which is not at all the same thing

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Mobashshera - Thanx for your interest. While there is nothing wrong with advertising Algo 0 first, the benefits of doing so are minimal. This is because when SR algorithm sub-TLV is received all the algorithms advertised need to be parsed by the receiver. If your argument is that having

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding: Including LANs in the Flooding Topology

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Robert – Sorry – but I really think you are taking this thread off topic. Dynamic transition from P2P to multi-access has been defined in TRILL – see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6325#section-4.4.2 and the discussion of the “bypass pseudo-node” bit. Without intending to insult anyone, I have

[Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-03 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
The direction of the Flooding Path in draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding-00 is not clear. I think it should be uni-directional, such that path (1,2) is different to path (2,1). If the path (1,2) should be bi-directional, then it can be encoded as (1,2,1). Regards, Jakob.

[Lsr] Last Call: (IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing) to Proposed Standard

2019-04-03 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Link State Routing WG (lsr) to consider the following document: - 'IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22

2019-04-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – Responses inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 2:22 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Uma Chunduri Subject: RE: AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Path Direction

2019-04-03 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
I think this is too restrictive. We should not exclude algorithms that can build a flooding topology with unidirectional links. Regards, Jakob. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:10 PM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr]

[Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions

2019-04-03 Thread Mobashshera Rasool
Dear Authors, I have a suggestion. Have a look :) As per section 3.2. SR-Algorithm Sub-TLV of this draft, a router must advertise algorithm 0 if it advertises SR Algorithm Sub TLV. [cid:image003.png@01D4E961.B6C8F5F0] Therefore if a router does not advertises algorithm 0 in this sub TLV,