Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Trying to avoid piling on...but Peter is certainly correct that there is nothing in this draft that is normative. This may provide useful context for the protocol extensions defined in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn/. As such the content would be better

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread John E Drake
Hi, As Joel notes, it is true that enhanced VPNs require the use of specific underlay network resources, either dedicated or shared, but the this needs to be done without installing overlay VPN awareness in the P routers, which is inherently unscalable and operationally complex. Also, since

[Lsr] Slides for Interim Meeting

2020-03-26 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi presenters, Please send your slides to lsr-cha...@ietf.org before the end of this month (3/31). Thanks, Yingzhen ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Dongjie (Jimmy)
Hi Peter, As described in the abstract, the purpose of this draft is to define a simplified control plane mechanism to build SR based Virtual Transport Network (VTN), it is based on the combination of IS-IS Multi-Topology with other IS-IS extensions, e.g. the extensions for TE, SR and L2

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, John: In your proposal, there is the following text “ the network controller SHOULD ensure that the IGP and TE metrics for these resources is higher than the metrics for the underlay network resources allocated to non-enhanced VPNs.” Considering these resources will span across the network

Re: [Lsr] Slides for Interim Meeting

2020-03-26 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Forgot to mention this deadline is for meeting session #1 presenters. Thanks, Yingzhen On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:39 PM Yingzhen Qu wrote: > Hi presenters, > > Please send your slides to lsr-cha...@ietf.org before the end of this > month (3/31). > > Thanks, > Yingzhen >

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Dongjie, On 26/03/2020 07:40, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: Hi Peter, As described in the abstract, the purpose of this draft is to define a simplified control plane mechanism to build SR based Virtual Transport Network (VTN), it is based on the combination of IS-IS Multi-Topology with other

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Dongjie (Jimmy)
Hi Peter, Thanks for your comments. > -Original Message- > From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppse...@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:23 PM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; xie...@chinatelecom.cn; lsr > > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based >

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Dongjie, On 26/03/2020 11:57, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: Hi Peter, Thanks for your comments. -Original Message- From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppse...@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:23 PM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; xie...@chinatelecom.cn; lsr Subject: Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS

Re: [Lsr] Using IS-IS Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Virtual Transport Network

2020-03-26 Thread Joel M. Halpern
In once sense, the statement is inherently true. A VPN technology without underlay support would seem to have significant difficulty in consistently meeting an SLA. Having said that much, the rest does not seem to follow. Yours, Joel On 3/26/2020 1:40 AM, xie...@chinatelecom.cn wrote: