[LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html? forumID=1threadID=30518messageID=567648start=-1 Eric Raymond's boot to Red Hat's head TalkBack 7 of 11: Next Previous Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony Responds For those wondering... 1. Eric Raymond doesn't work for Linspire. He is simply one of many un-paid volunteers of the Freespire Leadership Board. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Eric has never been paid or received anything from Linspire (he wouldn't take it even if we offered). He got involved because he liked Freespire's work in solving some of the driver and multimedia problems for desktop Linux. 2. No one here at Linspire, myself included, had any idea Eric was going to do this. First we knew about it was when we read about it in the press. 3. If Eric was doing this on our account, he would have announced switching to Linspire or Freespire, not Ubuntu. 4. If Eric were in fact doing this for our benefit, the last thing in the world Linspire would have wanted him to do was him sending his email and upsetting the Fedora community. The Linux companies need to work more together, not less. Linspire has been trying to work MORE with Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, and others, to solve the problems facing desktop Linux. Because I didn't know about this earlier, and haven't spoken with Eric since, I can't know his motives. However, I do know Eric fairly well, and he's not one to do much of anything for someone else or just for money. He's a pretty principled guy, from what my experience with him has been. I sincerely believe he just became unhappy with some things, hit is boiling point, and got so upset he made the switch and sent the email. If anyone reading this belongs to the Red Hat Fedora mailing list, I hope you'll forward my comments along to that group. I'll certainly will be sending them to the contacts I have at Red Hat, with whom Linspire has always had a very positive relationship with. Regardless of what Eric's motives were, I can assure you, they had nothing formally to do with Linspire. Thanks, Kevin Carmony CEO, Linspire ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
Jim Thompson wrote: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html?forumID=1threadID=30518messageID=567648start=-1 Eric Raymond's boot to Red Hat's head TalkBack 7 of 11: Next Previous Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony Responds ESR obviously has no idea of what he is talking about. There is only one true Linux distribution, and that's Debian (translation: I can usually get it installed and keep it maintained). Fedora is hardly my favorite distro, but Eric really ought to practice some discretion, like Linus when talking to the Gnome guys. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
On Mar 4, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html? forumID=1threadID=30518messageID=567648start=-1 Eric Raymond's boot to Red Hat's head TalkBack 7 of 11: Next Previous Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony Responds ESR obviously has no idea of what he is talking about. There is only one true Linux distribution, and that's Debian (translation: I can usually get it installed and keep it maintained). hey man, I run debian too, but I don't make claims that its the one true distro. Its right for me, and yes, I agree that its easy to install and maintain, but I've also had apt fsck my system to the point of not booting while upgrading 'testing'. I was able to repair same though. Fedora is hardly my favorite distro, but Eric really ought to practice some discretion, like Linus when talking to the Gnome guys. Well, thats the difference. Linus said, gnome sucks rocks, here's a patch. ESR said, fedora sucks, I quit. ESR claims to be one of the senior technical cadre that makes the Internet work , and a core Linux and open-source developer. Yet ESR has no code in the linux kernel. (None!) Linus doesn't make any grandiose claims (other than things like, thats stupid, and he once said I am your God, but we all think he was kidding.) Linus, point of fact, does have (quite a bit of) code in the kernel. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
hey man, I run debian too, but I don't make claims that its the one true distro. Its right for me, and yes, I agree that its easy to install and maintain, but I've also had apt fsck my system to the point of not booting while upgrading 'testing'. I think I could screw up pretty much anything out there. :) I was able to repair same though. And when that doesn't work, there are backups. I really like the Etch installer when all else fails. It gives a very fine grained control if you want it. Well, thats the difference. Linus said, gnome sucks rocks, here's a patch. ESR said, fedora sucks, I quit. I agree. I may not always agree with Linus' methodology (though I do agree with him about KDE vs. Gnome), but he is a guy I ultimately respect. He may shoot his mouth off, but the is a fair bit of substance behind the guy. When he shoots off his mouth about SCO, he can actually be quite funny. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
