On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2002-October/011089.html
When you talk about acquiring the server so you can run your version of the
list, are you not talking about same?
Two more examples of you misintepreting me and ... Actually, I have no
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 11:14:07PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
[...ad infinitum...]
The only way this exchange will draw to an end is if one of you can
give up on having the last word.
That would be a nice demonstration of maturity.
-- Clifton
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
(Have you forgotten that you once put Warren in your killfile?)
I can't forget something that never happened. I have never created a
killfile in my life.
I am saying you are free to fork the list, and always have been. I am
(expressly) not
On Dec 21, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Jimen Ching wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
(Have you forgotten that you once put Warren in your killfile?)
I can't forget something that never happened. I have never created
a killfile in my life.
LUAU and HOSEF, like soylent green, are made of people.
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Robert Green wrote:
It appears to me that this argument is largely a matter of semantics,
but I find it ironic that Jim spends a whole paragraph dissecting the
various meanings of the “free” in “free
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Vince Hoang wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:52:20PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
I think if you subscribe to this list for a while, the ratio
of bickering to technical discussion should go down. ;-)
I certainly welcome more bickering/debates on technical merits,
but the
Jimen,
Eben Moglen has participated in a great many technical discussions.
Its part of his vocation (job) and avocation (the thing he loves).
Scott didn't say LUAU = HOSEF; HOSEF = LUAU;, I did.
I did not create HOSEF. While Scott had a great deal to do with
creating HOSEF, he was not
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 11:37:09PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
And Vince, the following is directed at the LUAU list as a
whole and not you personally. Even though I'm using your qoute;
I'm only using it to make a point.
Not a problem. Your participation over the years has been
certainly valued
Against my better judgment, Im adding my 2 cents to this on the open
list. Like Vince, I think it probably belongs off the list, but when I
get 40-odd messages over the course of a day or two, and it is
primarily from one or two people, I feel like folks feel that
everyone agrees with one point
To the approximate 472 words Robert Green has just submitted
fontSize72+Ditto!/fontSize72+
...especially the part about semantics.
I lurk here in a desperate attempt to improve my vocabulary and to
reach minimal literacy in FOSSology so that when I FINALLY get a
round tuit.I won't be
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
Attempting to define LUAU is like trying to hold water in your fist.
When you make the statement LUAU is HOSEF, you're attempting to define
LUAU. I must then ask, why are you attempting to do something that seems
impossible?
I've cared about the
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:53 AM, Jimen Ching wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
Attempting to define LUAU is like trying to hold water in your fist.
When you make the statement LUAU is HOSEF, you're attempting to
define LUAU. I must then ask, why are you attempting to do
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
(sections of the above are lifted from a recent speech by Eben Moglen)
Very zen. I wonder if he talks like that in court rooms. ;-)
--jc
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On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:52:20PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
I think if you subscribe to this list for a while, the ratio
of bickering to technical discussion should go down. ;-)
One thing I can certainly fault myself for is having too loud
of a voice when I first joined the list and thus
On Dec 17, 2006, at 8:54 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote:
Jimen Ching wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Nakashima wrote:
Over the years, I've witnessed exceptional acts of generosity,
cooperation and community within HOSEF and LUAU. However, the
level of bickering has surprised me.
Are you sure
On Dec 17, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Clifton Royston wrote:
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 03:51:22AM -1000, Jim Thompson wrote:
I really don't get the whole HOSEF vs. LUAU thing.
There is no HOSEF vs. LUAU thing.
HOSEF is LUAU. LUAU is HOSEF.
There is no ownership. Free Software teaches this.
Hi Jimen,
I think my unclear style of writing muddied up the water. Let me
explain.
On Sunday, December 17, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Jimen Ching wrote:
Are you sure you're living in Hawaii? Level of bickering is
surprising? Are you not monitoring the Rail Transit debate? Are you
not monitoring
On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Julian Yap wrote:
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 16:30 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
LUAU is HOSEF. HOSEF is LUAU.
Who said so?
As of 2005, Hawaii has an estimated population of 1,275,194.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Hawaii
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 02:32:53PM -1000, Matt Darnell wrote:
On 12/16/06, Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Matt, you donate a 500GB drive and I'll match it. Lets co-
ordinate so we buy a matched pair (same geometry, speed, etc.)
Donehow about this
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 03:51:22AM -1000, Jim Thompson wrote:
I really don't get the whole HOSEF vs. LUAU thing.
There is no HOSEF vs. LUAU thing.
HOSEF is LUAU. LUAU is HOSEF.
There is no ownership. Free Software teaches this.
There is no I. There is no other. There is only 'we'
On Saturday, December 16, 2006, at 05:57 PM, Julian Yap wrote:
As of 2005, Hawaii has an estimated population of 1,275,194.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Hawaii
We're far too small to have this kind bickering and infighting. I
personally came to this island a bit over a year ago
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 07:19:08AM -1000, Clifton Royston wrote:
[Resending - sent from wrong address]
Since your MUA is mutt, here is a send hook for this list:
send-hook '~C luau@' \
'my_hdr From: Clifton Royston [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ' \
'my_hdr Mail-Followup-To:
Vince Hoang wrote:
I am rather allergic to RAID5 unless it is on a _seriously_ fast
SCSI controller, but we can certainly run a 600GB RAID1 + 500GB
single-disk to get over 1TB of space for the public file mirror
until the second pair can be completed. Are there any other
businesses that want to
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Nakashima wrote:
Over the years, I've witnessed exceptional acts of generosity, cooperation and
community within HOSEF and LUAU. However, the level of bickering has surprised
me.
Are you sure you're living in Hawaii? Level of bickering is surprising?
Are you not
Jimen Ching wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Nakashima wrote:
Over the years, I've witnessed exceptional acts of generosity,
cooperation and community within HOSEF and LUAU. However, the level of
bickering has surprised me.
Are you sure you're living in Hawaii? Level of bickering is surprising?
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of the
updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the Debian and
SuSE repositories are available. As the ISOs get larger, the SuSE
repository will drop, and finally Debian.
Vince,
I am looking at a couple of 100+ GB IDE hard drives.
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 09:08 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote:
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of the
updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the Debian and
SuSE repositories are available. As the ISOs get larger, the SuSE
repository will drop, and finally Debian.
On Dec 16, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Matt Darnell wrote:
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of the
updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the Debian and
SuSE repositories are available. As the ISOs get larger, the SuSE
repository will drop, and finally Debian.
Vince,
I
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 09:39:56AM -1000, Julian Yap wrote:
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 09:08 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote:
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of
the updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the
Debian and SuSE repositories are available. As the ISOs get
On Dec 16, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Vince Hoang wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 09:39:56AM -1000, Julian Yap wrote:
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 09:08 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote:
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of
the updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the
Debian and SuSE
On 12/16/06, Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Matt, you donate a 500GB drive and I'll match it. Lets co-
ordinate so we buy a matched pair (same geometry, speed, etc.)
Donehow about this http://dealspl.us/deal.php?dealid=14802
-Matt
On Dec 16, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Matt Darnell wrote:
On 12/16/06, Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Matt, you donate a 500GB drive and I'll match it. Lets co-
ordinate so we buy a matched pair (same geometry, speed, etc.)
Donehow about this http://dealspl.us/deal.php?dealid=14802
Vince Hoang wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 09:39:56AM -1000, Julian Yap wrote:
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 09:08 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote:
The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of
the updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the
Debian and SuSE repositories are
Jim Thompson wrote:
LUAU is HOSEF. HOSEF is LUAU.
Who said so?
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Jim Thompson wrote:
LUAU is HOSEF. HOSEF is LUAU.
Who said so?
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Actually I don't have any interest nor the capacity to argue one way or
another. But I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:32:48AM -1000, Jim Thompson wrote:
I thought the idea was to be able to use the bandwidth locally?
For mirrors.hosef.org, yes. For www.hosef.org, no.
Personally, I'd rather have a Debian/Ubuntu .deb respository, a
Fedora rpm repository, and a local CVSup tree for
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 16:30 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
LUAU is HOSEF. HOSEF is LUAU.
Who said so?
As of 2005, Hawaii has an estimated population of 1,275,194.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Hawaii
We're far too small to have this kind bickering and
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 10:55:43AM -1000, Dave Burns wrote:
* Should I replace my old repository/repositories with this one or just add
it to the list?
* Is there a gpg key somewhere?
* Any other useful hints regarding how it is intended typically to be used?
I was a little quick in writing
Hi Vince and everyone,
Is there anything on the hosef wiki or anywhere with specific info about
setting up yum to use this repository? I of course can read the friendly man
page or online tutorials for general info, but I could use some specific
info about the hosef repository and suggestions for
I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can
tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong.
The Suse updates are here:
http://mirrors.hosef.org/suse/i386/update/10.0/
What distribution do you use?
Yep, there's no pages on the Wiki with instructions on how to set up the
On 12/14/06, Julian Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can
tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong.
What distribution do you use?
Fedora core 5 currently. Guess I am out of luck.
So if I was a yum expert, what Vince said would be
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 17:37 -1000, Dave Burns wrote:
On 12/14/06, Julian Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can
tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong.
What distribution do you use?
Fedora core 5 currently. Guess I am out of
Julian Yap wrote:
I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can
tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong.
The Suse updates are here:
http://mirrors.hosef.org/suse/i386/update/10.0/
What distribution do you use?
I use Debian. Is the Debian repository the full
If you still have some apt/yum repositories referring to
hosef.ics.hawaii.edu, you will want to change it soon and replace
it with mirrors.hosef.org. The ICS-based hostname will be removed
shortly.
-Vince
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