Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Yes, I'm thinking about it a long time. But we're changing to GTK3 and
(maybe) new theme, so I'd like to make a Chromium's matching one, for a
better global looking.

I write this as an obligation, a "must do" task, I promise :)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 22:14 +0200, Filip Dominec a écrit :
> Changing keyboard mapping works for me, too. What I was missing were:
> multiple keyboard layouts switcher (DvorakCZ/Czech/English), many
> keyboard options available in GNOME (such as swapping Caps-Escape) and
> naturally a GUI for the keyboard shortcuts. This is important: shall I
> try to write an application for this?

It should be possible to extend lxkeymap to do this.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

>
> Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself.
> I
> think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default
> audacious
> configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.
>


> lxkeymap / I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.



(Sorry for the bad writing, i cant find the characters!)
Im trying with another machine and theres no way lxkeymap can change my
keyboard map on the live cd...

For the multimedia keys, in Audacious preferences, Plugins, General, Global
Hotkey should be enabled by default, its a nice feature and not everybody
will say {oh, i must enable it}, most of people will just think that it
doesnt work. Once checked, multimedia keys work great.
In GnomeMplayer multimedia keys are set, but when playing a file and push
pause makes the button to highlight but just that, it doesnt pause.

Another missing configuration that should be enabled by default is chromium
with the gtk theme of lubuntu.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Filip Dominec]

Changing keyboard mapping works for me, too. What I was missing were:
multiple keyboard layouts switcher (DvorakCZ/Czech/English), many
keyboard options available in GNOME (such as swapping Caps-Escape) and
naturally a GUI for the keyboard shortcuts. This is important: shall I
try to write an application for this?
Filip

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:39:38 +0200
Leszek Lesner  wrote:

> Am Sonntag 19 Juni 2011, 20:58:25 schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> > > But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.
> > 
> > Me too...
> > 
> > Multimediakey support is integrated already.
> > 
> > Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04
> > though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do
> > in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with
> > that?
> 
> Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself. I 
> think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default audacious 
> configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.
> > 
> > Also speaking about "Missing configuration programs", i've tried to change
> > in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was "es"
> > and tried to change to "cl" (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot
> > tried from "us" to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live
> > cd and it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it?
> 
> I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.  
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag 19 Juni 2011, 20:58:25 schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> > But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.
> 
> Me too...
> 
> Multimediakey support is integrated already.
> 
> Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04
> though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do
> in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with
> that?

Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself. I 
think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default audacious 
configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.
> 
> Also speaking about "Missing configuration programs", i've tried to change
> in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was "es"
> and tried to change to "cl" (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot
> tried from "us" to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live
> cd and it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it?

I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[Yorvyk]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:32:45 +0200
神癒礁湖 "(Rafael Laguna)"  wrote:

> Me too. I usually synchro my Android via Bluetooth (not for transferring
> files, but access contacts, etc). And many people (newbies) too, and
> asked me about it. Literal words: "where is the bluetooth? Windows has
> it". "Ok, ok, I'll install it for you". :)
> 
> It's a cheap sized package with a great service that will increase
> Lubuntu usability. My experience is that Win newcomers doesn't use
> Synaptic at all, they're afraid of that app. Another question is
> Software Center, it seems more friendly.
> 
I've never used Bluetooth, I've only sync'd phones using USB and I never 
thought of Bluetooth keyboards and mice.  I wasn't so much bothered about the 
size of it, I just thought —if it isn't used much there's no point having it on 
the disk.

Software Centre requires a hex-core CPU and several gigabytes of RAM to run at 
anything close to a reasonable speed.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

>
> But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.
>
Me too...

Multimediakey support is integrated already.

Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04
though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do
in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with
that?

Also speaking about "Missing configuration programs", i've tried to change
in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was "es" and
tried to change to "cl" (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot tried
from "us" to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live cd and
it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Me too. I usually synchro my Android via Bluetooth (not for transferring
files, but access contacts, etc). And many people (newbies) too, and
asked me about it. Literal words: "where is the bluetooth? Windows has
it". "Ok, ok, I'll install it for you". :)

It's a cheap sized package with a great service that will increase
Lubuntu usability. My experience is that Win newcomers doesn't use
Synaptic at all, they're afraid of that app. Another question is
Software Center, it seems more friendly.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Your message to Pcmanfm-develop awaits moderator approval

[Phill Whiteside]

Oops,

can someone approve this?

thanks.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Phill Whiteside]

Gee,

Goes to show how rusty I am when it comes down to testing!.

As Jonathan knows (Thanks loads for helping me get my 'head round' VM's), I
have finally gotten my Virtual Box up and running. Currently has 11-04 and
11-10 available. From discussions with JM, I have allocated 250GB of disk
space for Virtual Machines so have plenty of room for additional ones.

The other 250GB of that drive is not being used, come the point of wanting
to test 'real life', then I will happily put on full installs onto that
area.

Please feel more than welcome to give me a set of instructions if anyone
wants things testing out.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. I tried to think of a funky new name for IRC for when both main and
virtual machines are running. I got as far as phillw-virtual :)

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 06:27 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
> > On 06/18/2011 10:07 PM, PCMan wrote:
> >
> > >> Add LINGUAS, reference doc files and libfm-pref-apps.desktop launcher:
> >
> > > We do not translate desktop files directly. Neither do we commit the
> > > translated desktop files.
> Most likely a quick and dirty patch on Ubuntu packaging for the .desktop
> part :)
>
> >
> > >> Ensure correct icon is used in panel.
> >
> > > A better fix is to set the icon-name property for the window in
> > > GtkBuilder glade file instead.
> >
> >
> > OK.  I am more of a command-line person than a GUI programmer, the GTK
> > UI stuff is relatively new to me.  As I recall, I fixed the bug in the
> > way Julien suggested it be fixed.  There were several similar issues
> > with icon names not being set in various LXDE-related tools.  I fixed
> > them all in a similar way to this, and those patches were accepted by
> > Julien into the Ubuntu packaging.  I can redo this in glade if that is
> > the correct approach.  I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of
> > moving one line from code into a glade file, though.
> Yes, it makes sense to keep all the UI magic in the glade/ui file. I
> wasn't aware that it can be done like this.
>
>
> > >> Disable deprecated gio code by default.
> >
> >
> > > This looks fine, but will this affect distros with older versions of
> glib?
> >
> >
> > Possibly, I'm not sure.  However, are new releases of pcmanfm intended
> > for backporting to those older distros?  I'm not sure this is an issue
> > in practice for a new pcmanfm/libfm release, unless current development
> > releases of major distros (Fedora, SuSE, Debian, ...) are still using
> > older glib versions.
> As far as I know, this flag just makes the build fail when a deprecated
> code is detected. It doesn't affect the code itself or the behavior of
> the program.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

[Tim Bernhard]

No comment on the first point but agee with the other two.




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+1 here



Fully agree.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[Tim Bernhard]

Yes.



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Does anybody actually use Bluetooth?  Does it need to be on the default install?



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 06:27 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
> On 06/18/2011 10:07 PM, PCMan wrote:
> 
> >> Add LINGUAS, reference doc files and libfm-pref-apps.desktop launcher:
>  
> > We do not translate desktop files directly. Neither do we commit the
> > translated desktop files.
Most likely a quick and dirty patch on Ubuntu packaging for the .desktop
part :)

> 
> >> Ensure correct icon is used in panel.
> 
> > A better fix is to set the icon-name property for the window in
> > GtkBuilder glade file instead.
> 
> 
> OK.  I am more of a command-line person than a GUI programmer, the GTK
> UI stuff is relatively new to me.  As I recall, I fixed the bug in the
> way Julien suggested it be fixed.  There were several similar issues
> with icon names not being set in various LXDE-related tools.  I fixed
> them all in a similar way to this, and those patches were accepted by
> Julien into the Ubuntu packaging.  I can redo this in glade if that is
> the correct approach.  I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of
> moving one line from code into a glade file, though.
Yes, it makes sense to keep all the UI magic in the glade/ui file. I
wasn't aware that it can be done like this.


> >> Disable deprecated gio code by default.
> 
> 
> > This looks fine, but will this affect distros with older versions of glib?
> 
> 
> Possibly, I'm not sure.  However, are new releases of pcmanfm intended
> for backporting to those older distros?  I'm not sure this is an issue
> in practice for a new pcmanfm/libfm release, unless current development
> releases of major distros (Fedora, SuSE, Debian, ...) are still using
> older glib versions.
As far as I know, this flag just makes the build fail when a deprecated
code is detected. It doesn't affect the code itself or the behavior of
the program.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LightDM Vs LXDM

[Matthew Young]

I don't know much about LightDM, but I don't see it in the list of sessions.
I have only seen changes in the login screen.

Is that all LightDM is?

I think it is good that LightDM lists the users, but is that enough to make
the switch worth it?

Matthew


On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 19:16 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> >
> > Having thought about this it is probably best to go with LightDM if
> > the rest of Ubuntu is going that way.  There should be plenty of
> > support for it and we'll be less isolated.
>
> I'm still uncertain about this. I still don't want to spend too much
> time on maintaining a display manager. Having other people doing the job
> is quite confortable :)
> The fact that it's working now, doesn't mean it will work in the futur.
> The display manager is a complex piece of software, with connexions with
> many others parts, which need a lot of testing. Sharing this will be a
> advantage.
> But yes, it's also confortable to just keep LXDM, and hope it will be ok
> for this cycle.
>
> I propose to switch to LightDM for the next alphas, but to confirm the
> choice before the Beta 1. If we realize it's too much work, we can still
> go back to LXDM.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 06/19/2011 03:57 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

> Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ?


Done :)

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 06/18/2011 10:07 PM, PCMan wrote:

>> Add LINGUAS, reference doc files and libfm-pref-apps.desktop launcher:
 
> We do not translate desktop files directly. Neither do we commit the
> translated desktop files.


OK... then this patch is not needed upstream.  I'm not sure why it was
done this way as a patch in the Debian packaging, in that case.  Perhaps
a historical artifact?

> We did the translation for desktop files in po files, and only put
> *.desktop.in files in git.


I think I see what could have happened here; the package build process
was not running all the autoconf tools the way autogen.sh does, and so
it tried to work around that.  I have very recently created some changed
packaging files in lp:~lxde/pcmanfm/libfm-packaging which *do* run all
the needed autoconf and intltoolize stuff, and that seems to work
without the translated files being in the tree, because it generates
them at build time.

>> Ensure correct icon is used in panel.

> A better fix is to set the icon-name property for the window in
> GtkBuilder glade file instead.


OK.  I am more of a command-line person than a GUI programmer, the GTK
UI stuff is relatively new to me.  As I recall, I fixed the bug in the
way Julien suggested it be fixed.  There were several similar issues
with icon names not being set in various LXDE-related tools.  I fixed
them all in a similar way to this, and those patches were accepted by
Julien into the Ubuntu packaging.  I can redo this in glade if that is
the correct approach.  I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of
moving one line from code into a glade file, though.

>> Add GLIB_LIBS when linking documentation.


> This seems to be fine, but I'm not sure which files should be pushed
> to git repo since some are generated files.


This commit should have added exactly one line to exactly one file:

  docs/reference/libfm/Makefile.am

The debian/patches/04_fix_docs_linker.patch file it was based on only
affects that one line.  If the commit did more than that, that was a
mistake I made!  As far as I can tell, it only changed that one line, see


https://gitorious.org/lxde-jmarsden/libfm-jmarsden/commit/284a1640d146b7bc6483ebb0b02058a78e91

I *think* you should have been able to git cherrypick this commit
directly into your master git repository, where it should have changed
just that one file; that was my intention, at least.  If that didn't
"work", then we should probably try to figure out why, so that we can do
this kind of cooperation more smoothly next time.

>> Disable deprecated gio code by default.


> This looks fine, but will this affect distros with older versions of glib?


Possibly, I'm not sure.  However, are new releases of pcmanfm intended
for backporting to those older distros?  I'm not sure this is an issue
in practice for a new pcmanfm/libfm release, unless current development
releases of major distros (Fedora, SuSE, Debian, ...) are still using
older glib versions.

> Specify default terminal emulator (was: 01-lxde-conf.patch in Ubuntu


> The x-terminal-emulator thing IIRC is Debian-specific. So this better
> goes to debian package rather than upstream.


OK, then yes, that should stay as a patch, in Debian/Ubuntu packaging.

I'd definitely like to see the GLIB_LIBS change included upstream, as (I
think) it will allow me to re-enable gtk-doc use in my test packages
made from the libfm git sources.  Removing the deprecated gio code would
also be good to see, too, unless it will cause issues building libfm on
other current distributions.

I'll take a look at the glade change idea for the icon, but not this
weekend.

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Lance]

@ Jonathan and Julien,

This sounds great. I'll try to check this out in the next couple of days:

https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/lubuntu

A shared PPA, like "lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily" sounds like a great idea.

I'm moving my home office ATM, LAN wiring is complete, but I may be tied up 
with this mess for a while.


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From: Julien Lavergne 
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a 
new release.
To: "Jonathan Marsden" 
Cc: "Lance" , lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 5:57 AM

Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
> Option (2) happened, or is happening.
> 
> My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for
> Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test.  They are being built
> from the upstream git development source code.  Right now, the amd64
> versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should
> arrive
> in a couple of hours.  So
> 
>   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu
>   sudo apt-get update
>   sudo apt-get install pcmanfm
> 
> should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test.
> 
> Jonathan 

Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ?
I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build
fo LXDE.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[(Rafael Laguna)]

I''m checking right now at gnome-system-monitor. It's using 2,3 mb
inactive. I don't have the USB plug available, but imagine the same plus
an "open file" dialog, a port resource seeker and a sub-menu routine.
It's not too much, is it?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

[PCMan]

2011/6/19 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> **
> +1 here
>
> Fully agree.
>
> 1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished.
>
I have a cool greeter for lightdm in the git repo, but due to recent API
changes its broken now.
Author of lightdm provided some patches but I did not have time to touch
them at the moment.
Once it's fixed, it provides the same UI as LXDM and it's much more themable
than lxdm.
In my implementation, the theme can be edited with Glade in a WYSIWYG way.
But I have to find some time to fix it.

>
> 2. XChat is used by those who are members of "something" (coders,
> collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people.
>
> 3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even "nano" on a
> console, that is more basic (except for the keystrokes).
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Well , agree. The words "proposed changes" are too heavy :) But my
intention was providing an alternative to libnotify, not really
replacing the volume control. The applet is working fine, but everybody
preffer to use their multimedia keys (or similar). That was the idea
for. Anyway I've been testing this package and seems to be unmaintained
so, the choice is clear: leave the things just like they are.

But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Including the Gnome applet will increase disc size? It works really
fine, and it's a tiny and simple program.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

[(Rafael Laguna)]

+1 here

Fully agree.

1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished.

2. XChat is used by those who are members of "something" (coders,
collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people.

3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even "nano" on a
console, that is more basic (except for the keystrokes).



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Key 'super' (win logo) support

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Friday 17 June 2011 à 08:34 +0200, Filip Dominec a écrit :
> Once it works, I strongly recommend to use both Alt+F1 (the default shortcut 
> from Gnome), Super_L and Ctrl+Esc (the defaults from Windows) for menu.
> Filip Dominec
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:32:50 +0800
> PCMan  wrote:
> 
> > The command to show the menu is "lxpanelctl menu".
> > AFAIK, just setting Super_L doesn't work. I tried this long time before.
> > Maybe someone can try it again.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > > Le Thursday 16 June 2011 à 16:56 -0400, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
> > > écrit :
> > >>  https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4791
> > >> for touch only key 'super' use Super_L or Super_R in  > >> key="">
> > >> if don't work use xev to determine keycode or keyname
> > >>

Thanks for this team work ! :)
I committed the change to the bzr tree, it should be available on the
next update of lubuntu-default-settings in oneiric.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LightDM Vs LXDM

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 19:16 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> 
> Having thought about this it is probably best to go with LightDM if
> the rest of Ubuntu is going that way.  There should be plenty of
> support for it and we'll be less isolated. 

I'm still uncertain about this. I still don't want to spend too much
time on maintaining a display manager. Having other people doing the job
is quite confortable :)
The fact that it's working now, doesn't mean it will work in the futur.
The display manager is a complex piece of software, with connexions with
many others parts, which need a lot of testing. Sharing this will be a
advantage.
But yes, it's also confortable to just keep LXDM, and hope it will be ok
for this cycle.

I propose to switch to LightDM for the next alphas, but to confirm the
choice before the Beta 1. If we realize it's too much work, we can still
go back to LXDM.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
> Option (2) happened, or is happening.
> 
> My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for
> Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test.  They are being built
> from the upstream git development source code.  Right now, the amd64
> versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should
> arrive
> in a couple of hours.  So
> 
>   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu
>   sudo apt-get update
>   sudo apt-get install pcmanfm
> 
> should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test.
> 
> Jonathan 

Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ?
I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build
fo LXDE.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[Julien Lavergne]

Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 11:24 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> Does anybody actually use Bluetooth?  Does it need to be on the
> default install?

Yes. If you have bluetooth keyboard and mouse, it could be problematic
to not have it by default :)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?

[Yorvyk]

Does anybody actually use Bluetooth?  Does it need to be on the default install?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] autogenerating pcmanfm LINGUAS file

[Martin Bagge / brother]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Jonathan Marsden wrote:


Perhaps whoever adds the .po files should also test them?  Or if this is
100% automated, then perhaps we/you/someone needs to check a daily
automated build to verify nothing bad has happened, or set up an
automated alert email to be sent to you if it breaks?


This is manual work and I like to keep it that way.
Because of this there are untranslated work at the Pootle server that are 
not included in the git HEAD.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Martin Bagge / brother]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:


Cons:
1. If some newly added po files are broken, this automatically breaks
the build process.


I see this as a pro rather than a con. I do builds of git HEAD within 120 
minutes after a change enters the master branch (during my wokring hours 
and when I am not away ofc). This is intended to be more automated but I 
haven't really seen the absolute need.
As I am almost always part of adding new PO files I blame myself and fixes 
the issues when I see them.



2. Some translation with bad quality becomes available before they're
well-tested.


This is always a problem and can also be part of long standing 
translations that don't get proper reviews and such.



Current approach is very convenient, but later proven to be
problematic sometimes if there are some broken po files added to the
repo. So, should we change it? If we do change it, I hope that our
translation coordinator can help maintain the LINGUAS files for all
LXDE components to keep them up to date.
Any comments?


I rather not maitain a LINGUAS file. It was a PITA when we did that back 
then. Some benefits but more administration.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] autogenerating pcmanfm LINGUAS file

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 06/18/2011 10:16 PM, PCMan wrote:

> Regarding to the LINGUAS file, we have a special issue here.  ...


Yes, when I did the bzr recipe to package from the git sources more
directly I discovered that automation.  So perhaps the earlier patch was
"historical" -- created before the automated approach was used, or else
the Debian packaging did not pick up and use the automation.

> Cons:


> 1. If some newly added po files are broken, this automatically
> breaks the build process.


This is not necessarily a con :)  We want to know as soon as someone
does something to the official master repository that breaks it!

> 2. Some translation with bad quality becomes available before
> they're well-tested.

 

> Current approach is very convenient, but later proven to be 
> problematic sometimes if there are some broken po files added to the 
> repo.


Perhaps whoever adds the .po files should also test them?  Or if this is
100% automated, then perhaps we/you/someone needs to check a daily
automated build to verify nothing bad has happened, or set up an
automated alert email to be sent to you if it breaks?

> So, should we change it?


As long as it works, I'd say keep it.  Obviously any source tarball
releases will have their contents tested anyway, and if there are some
broken .po files in the git head at the time of such a release, they can
be excluded from the tarball easily enough, I would think.  You could
even set their export-ignore attribute in git until they are fixed, if
you want to make that exclusion more automated.

> Any comments?


I'd say keep it automated, use daily builds to check for breakage, and
set export-ignore on any badly broken .po files, so they do not get
included in release tarballs, or come up with some similar scheme to
exclude them.

Jonathan

P.S.  At last, my automated pcmanfm build for Natty i386 just succeeded
in my jmarsden/lubuntu PPA :)

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