Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

[Jonathan Marsden]

Julien,

On 11/12/2011 09:15 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

> Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development
> on status.ubuntu.com.

Oh, nice :)  That's a lot prettier than the wiki page and blueprint text.

I've packaged Viewnior 1.1, using its original tarball (there is a
package done by its author, but it was done as a native package with
sources, changes and /debian all in one "special" tarball... confused
me!).  Once I test it a bit more, I'll contact the author and let him
know, and see if I can find a friendly DD to sponsor an upload into
Debian for us.  We need to do the "Debian first" thing with new packages
like this, right?

How do I tell LP (and status.launchpad.net) that I am working on an
item, such as this one?  Can I "assign myself" work items somehow?

On bugs, I seem to have come up with a usable fix for bug #889414 .  A
change to the rc.xml in lubuntu-default-settings.  Do I have commit
rights to the git or bzr tree for that, or should I propose a merge to a
branch, or just do it the traditional way and upload a debdiff?

One more questions: the blueprint "lubuntu-p-work-items" says it is in
"Status: not started", but the status.launchpad.net screens show it is
17% completed.  That does not seem to match up :)

Thanks, and looking forward to weekly Lubuntu team meetings (I think
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings needs an update!),

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

Thanks for the list off suggestions, I'll have look at it.
I'll probably not be very available during the next few days, don't expect too 
much progress during the next week.

Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development on 
status.ubuntu.com.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 13 nov. 2011 à 03:38, amjjawad HOOHAA  a écrit :

> Hello Julien,
> 
> Hope it's not too late for me to send some suggestions for Lubuntu 12.04 :)
> I was so busy lately and couldn't have some free time until last night beside 
> I'm a bit sick these days.
> 
> My suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94
> 
> Original thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
> 
> In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this 
> email? 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> P.S.
> If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 11/12/2011 04:03 PM, Lance wrote:

> "Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)"

> I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no
> dev by any stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu
>  iso-testing for well over 3 years, and recently the number of 
> "suggestions" regarding Lubuntu here at the mailing list have been 
> almost overwhelming.


Most of them have to be either ignored, or responded to with a short
response saying why they don't really make sense for this cycle, or
can't be done for lack of resources, or whatever.

> How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or
> implementing meaningful change?


I don't know if anyone is measuring this.  Personally, I've been
deliberately staying off IRC lately, to try to focus on other things and
operate on my own schedule and my own priorities, rather than helping
others out when they need it.  That's a personal (and perhaps somewhat
selfish) response to increased work responsibilities, and to some health
scares that are lead me to try to take it easy and relax a bit more
outside of my work :)

Actually, though, my earlier statement about "don't make extra work" was
directed more at the "please keep me updated" request, than at the
actual suggestions themselves.  We can't afford to ignore our end users,
or ignore really good ideas from people who don't happen to be
developers.  There's a balance that has to be found in this.

I think Julien's idea of (re-)creating teams, including a "Comm Team",
which as I see it would help in handling both internal
(within-Lubuntu-community) and external communication (wikis, web, press
releases, etc) could help both maintain a sense that Lubuntu cares about
its users, and avoid asking too much of its (very few) developers.  As
currently envisaged, there would be four teams:

 * Dev Team (Packaging, Coding, Breaking)
 * Support Team (IRC, Documentation, Testing)
 * Comm Team (Communication, Blogs, Artworks, Events)
 * Translation team (Translations)

There is, to me, a somewhat unclear distinction between some forms of
support (IRC and online documentation) and some forms of communication,
which I think we may need to figure out (unless it is clearer to others
than it is to me).  I'm not sure whether helping out web forum users
would fall under Support or Communication (or both?).  But overall I
like this approach.

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 11/12/2011 04:20 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

>> This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
>> developers than forum threads, IMO.


> I do respect your opinion and I do understand what you are saying and I
> also see your point but ... have you checked how many users have actually
> posted over that thread? and they are still doing that on daily basis? I
> hope you do :)


Expecting Lubuntu devs to also do significant amounts of end user
communication/liasion/publicity tasks is asking a lot of them.  It makes
more sense to let those with the passion/skill/vision for such
communication work do that work, or at least most that work, doesn't it?

I prefer that information of interest to me comes *to* me, so that I do
not have to remember to go out and check whether there may be some at N
different web forums or other "pull" media sources.  It saves me time
and energy, and lets me use tools to manage that information flow that I
choose and know well and have used for years (such as my email client)
not tools that someone else chose (web forum software, which seems
different on every forum).

That's a personal choice, of course, but a preference for email over web
forums is pretty common among developers and other technically oriented
folks.  You asked whether you should post your "suggestions" here or on
forums, so I offered you my opinion on which one is more likely to be
useful, and why.

If you want to take on a role of "liasion" between forum users and
developers, and you have all the necessary skills (both technical and
social), respect (among both users and developers) and available time to
do that work well, then great, go for it!  More generally, you sound
like someone who might consider joining the proposed Lubuntu "Comm
Team", that is mentioned in the P-Plan wiki page which I linked to in my
earlier email.

Note that decisions on overall direction for Lubuntu 12.04 were already
made, at UDS, and are already incorporated into blueprint(s).  This is
how all Ubuntu flavours operate, Lubuntu is not a "special exception" to
this Ubuntu-standard development process.

> Plus, when I posted over there, I could simple have done it here but
> I did that over there to be just like them and be one of them and add
> my voice to their voice. Being a member of Lubuntu (NO, I'm not a
> developer - too bad I'm not) and be so close to users IS IMHO VERY
> important, period.


See above re. your choosing to act as liasion or becoming involved in
the "Comm Team" :)

I don't disagree that users matter -- of course they matter; but some of
us have real world jobs, personal or medical issues, and lives outside
Ubuntu that restrict our available time for Lubuntu... IMO it is better
that I spend the limited time I have on Lubuntu doing the things I can
do which few others can do.

I do get regular contact with real Linux users; I am a member of a local
Linux User Group and frequently give talks there and help out local
users, several of whom use Ubuntu in one flavour or another.

> I did that I did as a Lubuntu User. Please, don't look at it as a
> feedback or suggestion from a fellow member of the same team :)


To be useful, "suggestions" from Lubuntu users need to be very clear and
specific, and the sheer volume of them is rather overwhelming for a very
small development team.  Encouraging good bug reporting (on LaunchPad,
not in forums!) and good troubleshooting skills among users is, IMO,
likely to do more to help Lubuntu than encouraging end users to make
"suggestions", many of which are simply not practical without a much
larger development team that Lubuntu currently has.

If you have the time to learn development skills, and then become an
Lubuntu developer, that would be a great contribution to make.

Encouraging "suggestions" from large numbers of end users on forums is
IMO likely to disappoint and even upset those end users, when their
well-intentioned suggestions do not make it into the next release.
Encouraging good clear specific bug reports, and good troubleshooting
skills, helps users manage their systems well, and helps developers
learn about, diagnose and fix bugs.

Again, this is just my opinion.

>>> If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know.
>> Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked
>> developers :)
> Sorry but don't really know what to comment here so I'll remain
> silent.

Asking Julien to keep you updated, when you can instead ask existing
working automated systems (wiki and Launchpad blueprints) to keep you
updated, is (IMO) a bad idea; Julien's time is immensely valuable.
Those automated systems are there precisely so no-one needs to ask for
manual project status updates from developers.  Please use them.  Does
that make sense?

> Sorry if my suggestions caused any confusion and/or delay, my bad.


It was not the suggestions I was referring to, rather it was the request
to Julien to keep you updated.

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Amjjawad,

for major stuff on lubuntu.net you need to speak to Mario. I have seen
chats, you need to assure our team that you are in for lubuntu for the long
term and not just some college / university project. Whilst this may seem
harsh, so many have done it over the years & teams / threads / projects
have all gotten the pain of projects being abandoned. Please do not think
we are being negative, just that like all F/OSS projects we have had people
come and go.

May I, on a personal note, also warn you against something that my mentor
warned me upon. Burnout, whereby you work too many hours that cannot be
sustained (which you have already pretty much said you have done), and your
not wishing to have a mentor (experienced person) help you. If you run
yourself to death, or just decide to leave lubuntu the Lubuntu team will
have to pick up the pieces. Please, my young friend, take your time - we
have seen burn out before.

Regards,

Phill.

On 12 November 2011 20:34, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Thanks A. Andjelkovic :)
>
> We'll start working hopefully soon and get back to you all :)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
>
> *Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
>> your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
>> constructive criticism is important.*
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi everybody.
>> >
>> > Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums,
>> and I
>> > have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
>> > understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
>> > "penguin" - though we don't have them around here.
>> >
>> > As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
>> > I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later,
>> as I
>> > believe in "show it, don't tell it". Long story short: I am focusing on
>> > receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate
>> user
>> > having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
>> > clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here,
>> right
>> > now, and what can be left for later.
>> > For now I just ask for an indication like "yes, we would like to
>> experiment
>> > and consider a new wording on the web side". If on the other hand the
>> > general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point
>> in
>> > going further.
>> > I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
>> layout,
>> > and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics
>> and
>> > illustrations.
>> > So, what do you say?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Mörgæs
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi Jonathan,



> This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
> developers than forum threads, IMO.
>

I do respect your opinion and I do understand what you are saying and I
also see your point but ... have you checked how many users have actually
posted over that thread? and they are still doing that on daily basis? I
hope you do :)

Plus, when I posted over there, I could simple have done it here but I did
that over there to be just like them and be one of them and add my voice to
their voice. Being a member of Lubuntu (NO, I'm not a developer - too bad
I'm not) and be so close to users IS IMHO VERY important, period.

I did that I did as a Lubuntu User. Please, don't look at it as a feedback
or suggestion from a fellow member of the same team :)


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)
>

Sorry but don't really know what to comment here so I'll remain silent.
Sorry if my suggestions caused any confusion and/or delay, my bad.

Thanks a lot :)

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

> On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>
> > *My suggestions*:
>
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94
> >
> > *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
> >
> > In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
> > this email?
>
>
> This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
> developers than forum threads, IMO.
>
> > If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!
>
>
> Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)
>
> Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
> 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at
>
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan
>
> then click the "Subscribe" button so you are emailed about all changes
> to that page.
>
> Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
> you will automatically get emails as they are updated.
>
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience
>
>
> is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
> think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the "clean
> house" and "organization" parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
> provide pointers to those for us.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

[Lance]

I just wanted to drop a brief comment about this statement:

"Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)"

I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any 
stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well 
over 3 years, and recently the number of "suggestions" regarding Lubuntu here 
at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming.

How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing 
meaningful change?

While it's great to have someone new and energetic join the team it's also 
important for the new members to give the actual devs time to deal with the 
basic tasks of maintaining the project ;^) 

I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. As always thanks to everyone for 
everything they do,

Lance

--- On Sat, 11/12/11, Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden 
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] 
My Suggestions)
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 5:38 PM

On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

> *My suggestions*:

> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94
> 
> *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
> 
> In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
> this email?


This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
developers than forum threads, IMO.

> If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

then click the "Subscribe" button so you are emailed about all changes
to that page.

Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
you will automatically get emails as they are updated.

  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the "clean
house" and "organization" parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
provide pointers to those for us.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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[Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

> *My suggestions*:

> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94
> 
> *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
> 
> In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
> this email?


This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
developers than forum threads, IMO.

> If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

then click the "Subscribe" button so you are emailed about all changes
to that page.

Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
you will automatically get emails as they are updated.

  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the "clean
house" and "organization" parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
provide pointers to those for us.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

With LXTask and GNOME System Monitor opened along side with a browser, that
was already slow. I haven't tried the app you suggested so I was JUST
wondering, that is all :)

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:01 AM,  wrote:

> What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it
> dependencies use ?
>
>
>
>
> -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
>
> --
> Am 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA :
>
>
> Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that
> come with it? :)
> I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a
> thought.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM,  wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers
>> that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it
>> manually
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
>>
>> --
>> Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA :
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do
>> much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using
>> some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do?
>> each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using
>> LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for
>> example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor
>> is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two
>> sometimes (plugin-container).
>>
>> I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I
>> don't think it should be done manually.
>>
>> I'll keep looking ...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> P.S.
>> Just thought to update you about that.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
>>> debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
>>> I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
>>> but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
>>> voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
>>> mean, they should agree about that.
>>>
>>> EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
>>> Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow
>>> Ubuntu's Steps.
>>> Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
>>> could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
>>> Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
>>> many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
>>> own information.
>>>
>>> I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine
>>> with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
>>> default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
>>>
>>> I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not
>>> do some tests and send the report via mailing list?
>>>
>>> As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission
>>> accomplished.
>>> IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.
>>>
>>> I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to
>>> you:
>>>
>>> 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
>>> 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and
>>> I could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't
>>> disrespect is my motto :)
>>>
>>> Cya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>>>
 Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
 > Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather
 "This
 > is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
 Isn't that the same ?
 I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
 I guess that is a low machine.
 If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

 > Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
 keep such
 > personal opinions out of this discussion.

 If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
 ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
 experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
 arguments.
 And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
 advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


 > Google is dropping H264 support:
 >
 http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

 Google Chrome != Chromium

 > Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
 > sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
 > available memory ge

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[leszek.lesner]

What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it dependencies use ?-- Gesendet von meinem HP VeerAm 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA : Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come with it? :)I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a thought.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM,   wrote:
As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it manually
-- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA : Hi everyone,Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do? each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two sometimes (plugin-container).

I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I don't think it should be done manually.I'll keep looking ...Thanks!P.S.Just thought to update you about that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

Guys,With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I mean, they should agree about that. 


EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's Steps. Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my own information.


I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do some tests and send the report via mailing list? 


As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission accomplished.IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:


1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to everyone.I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect is my motto :)


CyaOn Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:


Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
> Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather "This
> is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
Isn't that the same ?
I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
I guess that is a low machine.
If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

> Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such
> personal opinions out of this discussion.

If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
arguments.
And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


> Google is dropping H264 support:
> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

Google Chrome != Chromium

> Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
> sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
> available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
> it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
tab cannot crash the whole browser.

> While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
> web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
> than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
> source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
> nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
> continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
> different constraints i

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come
with it? :)
I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a
thought.


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM,  wrote:

> As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers
> that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it
> manually
>
>
>
> -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
>
> --
> Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA :
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do
> much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using
> some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do?
> each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using
> LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for
> example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor
> is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two
> sometimes (plugin-container).
>
> I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I
> don't think it should be done manually.
>
> I'll keep looking ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> P.S.
> Just thought to update you about that.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
>> debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
>> I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
>> but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
>> voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
>> mean, they should agree about that.
>>
>> EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
>> Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow
>> Ubuntu's Steps.
>> Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
>> could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
>> Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
>> many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
>> own information.
>>
>> I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine
>> with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
>> default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
>>
>> I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do
>> some tests and send the report via mailing list?
>>
>> As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission
>> accomplished.
>> IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.
>>
>> I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:
>>
>> 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
>> 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
>> everyone.
>>
>>
>> I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I
>> could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect
>> is my motto :)
>>
>> Cya
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>>
>>> Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
>>> > Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather
>>> "This
>>> > is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
>>> Isn't that the same ?
>>> I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
>>> I guess that is a low machine.
>>> If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.
>>>
>>> > Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
>>> such
>>> > personal opinions out of this discussion.
>>>
>>> If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
>>> ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
>>> experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
>>> arguments.
>>> And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
>>> advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Google is dropping H264 support:
>>> >
>>> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
>>>
>>> Google Chrome != Chromium
>>>
>>> > Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
>>> > sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
>>> > available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
>>> > it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.
>>>
>>> At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
>>> tab cannot crash the whole browser.
>>>
>>> > While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
>>> > web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
>>> > than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
>>> > source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
>>> > nearly equal, which 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[leszek.lesner]

As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it manually-- Gesendet von meinem HP VeerAm 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA : Hi everyone,Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do? each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two sometimes (plugin-container).
I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I don't think it should be done manually.I'll keep looking ...Thanks!P.S.Just thought to update you about that.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
Guys,With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I mean, they should agree about that. 

EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's Steps. Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my own information.

I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do some tests and send the report via mailing list? 

As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission accomplished.IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:

1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to everyone.I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect is my motto :)

CyaOn Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:

Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
> Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather "This
> is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
Isn't that the same ?
I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
I guess that is a low machine.
If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

> Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such
> personal opinions out of this discussion.

If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
arguments.
And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


> Google is dropping H264 support:
> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

Google Chrome != Chromium

> Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
> sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
> available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
> it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
tab cannot crash the whole browser.

> While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
> web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
> than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
> source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
> nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
> continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
> different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
> the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
> supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can help
> maintain Chromium).

I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
existens.
And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi everyone,

Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do
much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using
some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do?
each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using
LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for
example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor
is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two
sometimes (plugin-container).

I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I don't
think it should be done manually.

I'll keep looking ...

Thanks!

P.S.
Just thought to update you about that.


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Guys,
>
> With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
> debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
> I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
> but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
> voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
> mean, they should agree about that.
>
> EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep Lubuntu
> as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's
> Steps.
> Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
> could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
> Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
> many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
> own information.
>
> I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine
> with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
> default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
>
> I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do
> some tests and send the report via mailing list?
>
> As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission accomplished.
> IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.
>
> I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:
>
> 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
> 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
> everyone.
>
>
> I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I
> could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect
> is my motto :)
>
> Cya
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>
>> Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
>> > Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather
>> "This
>> > is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
>> Isn't that the same ?
>> I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
>> I guess that is a low machine.
>> If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.
>>
>> > Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
>> such
>> > personal opinions out of this discussion.
>>
>> If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
>> ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
>> experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
>> arguments.
>> And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
>> advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.
>>
>>
>> > Google is dropping H264 support:
>> >
>> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
>>
>> Google Chrome != Chromium
>>
>> > Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
>> > sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
>> > available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
>> > it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.
>>
>> At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
>> tab cannot crash the whole browser.
>>
>> > While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
>> > web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
>> > than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
>> > source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
>> > nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
>> > continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
>> > different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
>> > the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
>> > supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can help
>> > maintain Chromium).
>>
>> I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
>> Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
>> existens.
>> And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a free
>> software then I wou

[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hello Julien,

Hope it's not too late for me to send some suggestions for Lubuntu 12.04 :)
I was so busy lately and couldn't have some free time until last night
beside I'm a bit sick these days.

*My suggestions*:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94

*Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442

In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
this email?

Thank you!

P.S.
If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Thanks A. Andjelkovic :)

We'll start working hopefully soon and get back to you all :)



On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:

*Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
> your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
> constructive criticism is important.*
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen 
> wrote:
> > Hi everybody.
> >
> > Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and
> I
> > have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
> > understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
> > "penguin" - though we don't have them around here.
> >
> > As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
> > I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later,
> as I
> > believe in "show it, don't tell it". Long story short: I am focusing on
> > receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate
> user
> > having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
> > clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here,
> right
> > now, and what can be left for later.
> > For now I just ask for an indication like "yes, we would like to
> experiment
> > and consider a new wording on the web side". If on the other hand the
> > general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point
> in
> > going further.
> > I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
> layout,
> > and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics
> and
> > illustrations.
> > So, what do you say?
> >
> > Regards
> > Mörgæs
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[A. Andjelkovic]

Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
constructive criticism is important.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen  wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and I
> have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
> understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
> "penguin" - though we don't have them around here.
>
> As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
> I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later, as I
> believe in "show it, don't tell it". Long story short: I am focusing on
> receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate user
> having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
> clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here, right
> now, and what can be left for later.
> For now I just ask for an indication like "yes, we would like to experiment
> and consider a new wording on the web side". If on the other hand the
> general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point in
> going further.
> I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and layout,
> and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics and
> illustrations.
> So, what do you say?
>
> Regards
> Mörgæs

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[Martin Olesen]

Hi everybody.


Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and I
have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
"penguin" - though we don't have them around here.


As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205

I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later, as I
believe in "show it, don't tell it". Long story short: I am focusing on
receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate user
having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here, right
now, and what can be left for later.

For now I just ask for an indication like "yes, we would like to experiment
and consider a new wording on the web side". If on the other hand the
general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point in
going further.

I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
layout, and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of
graphics and illustrations.

So, what do you say?


Regards
Mörgæs
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi Phill,

Can I take that as a YES and GO for me and Martin to start working on our
little project to improve the website?

Thanks!

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi amjjawad,
>
> As you will be aware, hosting for lubuntu,net has only just been gotten
> again. The site was exceeding the bandwidth allowance. As has been
> mentioned previously, please make some mock ups so that the site controller
> can look into how they could be implemented.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 12 November 2011 17:31, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)
>>
>> I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
>> one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
>> its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.
>>
>> Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
>> like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
>> each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
>> all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
>> exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).
>>
>> I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
>> with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> P.S.
>> Martin has already joined the team so:
>>
>> Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
>> Light* are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
>> unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu
>>
>>
>>
>> I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
>>> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
>>> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
>>> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
>>> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
>>> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
>>> due to real life.
>>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
>>> amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi there,
>>> >
>>> > Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
>>> >
>>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
>>> >
>>> > This guy (mörgæs ) has
>>> offered
>>> > his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team
>>> about
>>> > that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
>>> >
>>> > Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
>>> PLEASE
>>> > do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
>>> > www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing
>>> OS,
>>> > it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your
>>> plans
>>> > but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
>>> > update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
>>> >
>>> > This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
>>> >
>>> > So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do
>>> love
>>> > Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others
>>> do
>>> > that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what
>>> will
>>> > happen if you do what others are suggesting?
>>> >
>>> > Now, I'm not going to reply
>>> > mörgæsbut one of the team
>>> > who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you so much!
>>> >
>>> > ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
>>> >
>>> > P.S.
>>> > I'll inform him (mörgæs )
>>> that
>>> > I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
>>> >
>>> I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
>>> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
>>> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
>>> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
>>> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
>>> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
>>> due to real life.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Yorvyk
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi amjjawad,

As you will be aware, hosting for lubuntu,net has only just been gotten
again. The site was exceeding the bandwidth allowance. As has been
mentioned previously, please make some mock ups so that the site controller
can look into how they could be implemented.

Regards,

Phill.

On 12 November 2011 17:31, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)
>
> I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
> one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
> its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.
>
> Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
> like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
> each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
> all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
> exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).
>
> I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
> with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.
>
> Thank you!
>
> P.S.
> Martin has already joined the team so:
>
> Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
> Light* are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
> unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu
>
>
>
> I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
>> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
>> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
>> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
>> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
>> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
>> due to real life.
>>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
>> amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi there,
>> >
>> > Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
>> >
>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
>> >
>> > This guy (mörgæs ) has
>> offered
>> > his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team
>> about
>> > that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
>> >
>> > Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
>> PLEASE
>> > do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
>> > www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
>> > it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
>> > but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
>> > update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
>> >
>> > This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
>> >
>> > So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do
>> love
>> > Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
>> > that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what
>> will
>> > happen if you do what others are suggesting?
>> >
>> > Now, I'm not going to reply
>> > mörgæsbut one of the team
>> > who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much!
>> >
>> > ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
>> >
>> > P.S.
>> > I'll inform him (mörgæs )
>> that
>> > I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
>> >
>> I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
>> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
>> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
>> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
>> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
>> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
>> due to real life.
>>
>> --
>> Yorvyk
>>
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>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)

I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.

Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).

I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.

Thank you!

P.S.
Martin has already joined the team so:

Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
Light*are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu



I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
> due to real life.
>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
> amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
> >
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
> >
> > This guy (mörgæs ) has
> offered
> > his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
> > that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
> >
> > Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
> PLEASE
> > do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
> > www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
> > it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
> > but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
> > update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
> >
> > This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
> >
> > So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
> > Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
> > that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
> > happen if you do what others are suggesting?
> >
> > Now, I'm not going to reply
> > mörgæsbut one of the team
> > who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
> >
> > Thank you so much!
> >
> > ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
> >
> > P.S.
> > I'll inform him (mörgæs )
> that
> > I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
> >
> I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
> mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
> overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
> people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
> very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
> the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
> due to real life.
>
> --
> Yorvyk
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[Yorvyk]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205
> 
> This guy (mörgæs ) has offered
> his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
> that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
> 
> Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website, PLEASE
> do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
> www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
> it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
> but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
> update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
> 
> This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
> 
> So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
> Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
> that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
> happen if you do what others are suggesting?
> 
> Now, I'm not going to reply
> mörgæsbut one of the team
> who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
> 
> Thank you so much!
> 
> ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
> 
> P.S.
> I'll inform him (mörgæs ) that
> I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
> 
I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some mock-ups 
of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that overcome the 
percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other people will never 
achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is very small and very 
busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put the amount of work into 
the last couple of releases that I would of liked due to real life.

-- 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi there,

Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945&postcount=205

This guy (mörgæs ) has offered
his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.

Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website, PLEASE
do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.

This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.

So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
happen if you do what others are suggesting?

Now, I'm not going to reply
mörgæsbut one of the team
who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.

Thank you so much!

ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!

P.S.
I'll inform him (mörgæs ) that
I sent his post and waiting for a reply.

-- 
Best Regards,

*amjjawad*
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

[Mario Behling]

Hi everyone,

I just moved lubuntu.net to Amazon cloud and it works fine. Maybe we
should schedule an online chat ti discuss, if this would be a solution
to make lxde.org faster for people. We could even just use Amazon as a
mirror. No need to give up the existing servers.

@ Andrew/Meiwei: What do you think?

- Mario


On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Benny Hult  wrote:
> Becouse the server where that service is running is located in Taiwan:
>  8  s-b2-link.telia.net (80.91.251.25) 8.471 ms  8.442 ms  8.417 ms
>  9  s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.247.111)  8.633 ms
> s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.246.251)  8.730 ms  8.593 ms
> 10  te8-3-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.41) 8.546 ms  8.566 ms
> te7-4-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.5) 8.725 ms
> 11  * 146.82.32.146 (146.82.32.146)  172.195 ms *
> 12  * * *
> 13  Internet-MOE-N-TANet.edu.tw (203.72.43.9) 315.365 ms  316.118 ms
> 315.527 ms
> 14  bb-NDHU-TWAREN.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.196.126)  304.362 ms  304.479 ms
> 305.086 ms
> 15  bc-HLC-CHT21.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.175.229)  323.861 ms  323.033 ms
> 323.782 ms
> 16  * * *
>
>
> On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 14:56 +0800, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote:
>> I don't know, but the connection is smooth in Taiwan. Could Andrew explain 
>> why?
>>
>> 2011/11/11 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset :
>> > Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
>> >

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

[Benny Hult]

Becouse the server where that service is running is located in Taiwan:
 8  s-b2-link.telia.net (80.91.251.25)  8.471 ms  8.442 ms  8.417 ms
 9  s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.247.111)  8.633 ms
s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.246.251)  8.730 ms  8.593 ms
10  te8-3-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.41)  8.546 ms  8.566 ms
te7-4-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.5)  8.725 ms
11  * 146.82.32.146 (146.82.32.146)  172.195 ms *
12  * * *
13  Internet-MOE-N-TANet.edu.tw (203.72.43.9)  315.365 ms  316.118 ms
315.527 ms
14  bb-NDHU-TWAREN.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.196.126)  304.362 ms  304.479 ms
305.086 ms
15  bc-HLC-CHT21.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.175.229)  323.861 ms  323.033 ms
323.782 ms
16  * * *


On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 14:56 +0800, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote:
> I don't know, but the connection is smooth in Taiwan. Could Andrew explain 
> why?
> 
> 2011/11/11 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset :
> > Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
> >
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