Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu proposed technical preview (called lx-ultra)
Ultimately I think mplayer is a problem, at least from the perspective of being an official variant, and especially with respect to codecs. That being said, I am also aware many will choose to install mplayer if it's not in the default install, as I am aware many use medibuntu repos. Leszek Lesner wrote: Here a technical preview of a LXDE based Ubuntu (Lubuntu proposed) Desktop based on Karmic Koala. Software included : Kernel 2.6.32-7 (lucid) PCManFM 0.5.2 (bugfixed release) gnome-mplayer (+ codecs) aqualung xfburn (burning app) claws-mail (mail client) chromium-browser (build 4.0.226) (webbrowser) people 0.2 (manage vcards) orage (manage vcal) gnome-alsamixer (audiomixer app) OpenOffice 3.1 (fitts on cd but maybe too memory intensive, especially for 128 MB RAM users) WICD to manage networks gigolo (as networkmanager and computer icon on the desktop to launch and mount drives [convenience for windows switcher] ) I changed some config files of openbox to support FN-Keys for some netbooks (so Volume up and down should work). Included is also a custom theme and a LXDE Menu button. Some new hotkeys: CTRL+ALT+T will now launch a new Terminal window CTRL+ALT+D will now launch a new filemanager window (SUPER + D will hide all windows and show the desktop) Some apps like network-manager , gnome-power-manager, xfce4-volumed that use the new notify-osd system are fine but seem to eat to much memory so I removed them for now and put in some replacements, like wicd and a volume.sh script. I also added those apps from the app proposel page that seem to do best in my opinion. See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications The CDRigBy from the other features would be nice to include, but the website seems to be down. More on Lubuntu : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu How to get involved: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=562 The obligatory screenshots: xsplash: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33545/2009_12_08_201127_1280x800_scrot_iYt3XS.png desktop: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33546/2009_12_08_201146_1280x800_scrot_utIQ4J.png Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/lx-ultra-remix.iso MD5: 29811ba871d3a4088de8f71ac1a7948b lx-ultra-remix.iso Note: This is only a testing version and is not intent to run on a productive machine. Virtualbox seems to have problems loading the vboxvideo driver thats not avaiable. Simply edit the xorg.conf and try to load it with the vesa driver. Comments and feedback are appreciated :) PS: I will put the artwork onto the lucid incoming artwork very soon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid aswell as the openbox configuration file/patch for the added hotkeys. Regards, Leszek ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New programs by default
Mario Behling wrote: Hi, thanks for starting the work on Lucid. Can we update I agree, that we need to look out for lightweight options for applications. About the applications you are proposing. xfce task manager - I know that lxtask has some bugs, but we defined it in the applications list. Please let us know, what is the reason to change it? And equally important, if these issues in lxtask are likely to be addressed, say before Lucid release, then I do not see reason to change either. parcellite - seems good to me. Osmo - I wonder how compatible we should try to keep it with other solutions. Import and export functionality of data seems to be very rudimentary? I found ical can be exported. What do you think? I actually like the idea of having osmo in Lubuntu, as a small personal organizer application. language-selector - very useful! software-properties-gtk - good idea How about lxlauncher - where would be a good place to have a button to change desktop mode? Do you agree that a switchable desktop mode would be a good idea? Regards, Mario On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I just added 6 new programs to the seed to cover some missing features. They will be installed by default in the next upload of the seed : - xfce4-taskmanager : for monitoring tasks, the origin of lxtask - parcellite : for a clipboard manager (not start on login for now) - hardinfo : for information on the system - osmo : for managing event, calendar ... - language-selector : for installing language packs - software-properties-gtk : for managing sources in synatic The splash is still missing, but as plymouth was just uploaded, I prefer to wait more before adding it to the seed. If you think the seed need other programs to be added (not replaced !), please speak now :) For discussion on existing applications, please begin a new thread or a new page on the wiki. Please also note this : - Only propose application which are in the archive (not PPA, official archive). Exceptions are lxde components (like lxdm) and chromium which should be added to official repository soon. - Prepare some arguments :) The actual policy is to keep the existing seed, so the application need to bring real and additional interesting stuff. - Read and update previous discussion on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications/Process%20Documentation Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
Hi David, thanks a lot for your ideas. Do you have more information on which Chromium version will be in the Ubuntu repo? The reason why some people refrain from using Chromium are privacy issues. An RLZ identifier, an encoded string is sent to Google on search queries or every 24 hours with Chromium. Will that be changed in the Chromium version in Ubuntu? Thanks, Mario On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com wrote: This touches upon many areas. I will initially comment on a few. In respect to SD cards and lower cost SSD media, I think there is a lot we can do to better optimize the user experience, even from install time, and perhaps Lubuntu is the right place to think about doing this first. There is (naturally:) a blueprint I have on this topic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-unr-ssd-optimizations There were a couple of things I recall missing in the original seed for Karmic, including a mixer. These things will be addressed in the Lubuntu seed for Lucid. The usb creator can be used to take any iso cd install image and turn it into a USB install, so once we have a live iso for Lubuntu Lucid, making it available for USB keys is very easy. This is what is done for UNR in Karmic (and presumably Lucid), where we distribute a CD ISO while most netbooks of course have no CD/DVD drive. I like the idea of LXDE as a server gui for local admin as well. Maybe the place to start is with the mini-iso, where we could work on having the ability to select ubuntu server and lxde desktop as a valid combination. In fact I was thinking of taking a netbook and using it as a soho server, so it would be very logical to have lxde on that :). Chromium is going to be used for UNE on ARM, and the same arguments could apply to Lubuntu, where firefox is a resource hog. Of course, I think epiphany-webkit or something similar does also work well for Lubuntu, and supports mozilla plugins including flash. I would love to see more people asking more questions, not less :). Josef A. Beroeatwarin wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help :
[Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
That is an interesting and excellent question. What is driving the interest in Chromium for UNE ARM is entirely performance based vs Firefox. Let me make a note on this on the lightweight browser blueprint... Mario Behling wrote: Hi David, thanks a lot for your ideas. Do you have more information on which Chromium version will be in the Ubuntu repo? The reason why some people refrain from using Chromium are privacy issues. An RLZ identifier, an encoded string is sent to Google on search queries or every 24 hours with Chromium. Will that be changed in the Chromium version in Ubuntu? Thanks, Mario On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com wrote: This touches upon many areas. I will initially comment on a few. In respect to SD cards and lower cost SSD media, I think there is a lot we can do to better optimize the user experience, even from install time, and perhaps Lubuntu is the right place to think about doing this first. There is (naturally:) a blueprint I have on this topic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-unr-ssd-optimizations There were a couple of things I recall missing in the original seed for Karmic, including a mixer. These things will be addressed in the Lubuntu seed for Lucid. The usb creator can be used to take any iso cd install image and turn it into a USB install, so once we have a live iso for Lubuntu Lucid, making it available for USB keys is very easy. This is what is done for UNR in Karmic (and presumably Lucid), where we distribute a CD ISO while most netbooks of course have no CD/DVD drive. I like the idea of LXDE as a server gui for local admin as well. Maybe the place to start is with the mini-iso, where we could work on having the ability to select ubuntu server and lxde desktop as a valid combination. In fact I was thinking of taking a netbook and using it as a soho server, so it would be very logical to have lxde on that :). Chromium is going to be used for UNE on ARM, and the same arguments could apply to Lubuntu, where firefox is a resource hog. Of course, I think epiphany-webkit or something similar does also work well for Lubuntu, and supports mozilla plugins including flash. I would love to see more people asking more questions, not less :). Josef A. Beroeatwarin wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Ubuntu flavors are not LTS in the same way as Ubuntu itself. LTS I think has a specific meaning that implies with it Canonical paid support as being valid for those who have service contracts for the same period, and there is no Canonical paid support for Lubuntu or other community spins. However, in that the common core is Ubuntu, those parts inherited from Ubuntu are of course maintained as LTS by Canonical, and that includes those packages we install from main. We might however want to consider what a 2 year cycle or longer maintenance does mean for those lxde and other packages that will make up Lubuntu Lucid if clearly users have such expectations, and we need to be much clearer about the status of Lubuntu Lucid in this respect for when people do ask. In respect to this target platform, Jeff, I think Lubuntu should be able to run well in your environment, or at least it should be a goal if not, for that describes one of the target audiences Lubuntu is specifically meant to address. Presently we should run in 128m ram if you don't run firefox, and certainly there is no 3d or accelerated X requirement. An interesting though very rough comparison from a Karmic test release of Lubuntu is found here: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html Jeff Elkner wrote: Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Hi, Thanks, testing and feedback are always welcome :) I hope we can have a first testing iso next week, some days after the 1st iso of Lucid. It can be a good starting point. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le jeudi 10 décembre 2009 à 09:56 -0500, Jeff Elkner a écrit : Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
Hi, Thanks for your feedback, let me try to answer some of your questions/ideas : * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist Pcmanfm will be rewrite for the next release, it will be interesting to test this on the next release, as version 0.5.X is not developed anymore * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. It's more a bug on wicd than on Lubuntu itself. You should report a bug on the package. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. Lubuntu will have a volume applet by default, to be able to change your sound more easily. I don't think we need a real mixer (with all channels configuration), most of people just want to manage the main channel. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) Do you test this with Ubuntu, or another variant ? It could be a problem in general in Ubuntu, not only Lubuntu. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. Next week for an alpha 1, if I manage to build one correctly :) 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. If you have an iso, you can create an img for flash disk. I'll do it if I'm not too lazy :) 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? Sure, but as David said, maybe not optimized yet. 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. Well, I personally think that server with GUI is a bad idea, but it's just personal opinion :) 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. Firefox is still on Lubuntu, but maybe not for too long :) 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. lspci or a graphical tool like hardinfo 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... It's very good to have feedback from user :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Understood, David, but if the platform on which it is built is LTS, then we know that the apt repositories will stay active for longer. jeff On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com wrote: Ubuntu flavors are not LTS in the same way as Ubuntu itself. LTS I think has a specific meaning that implies with it Canonical paid support as being valid for those who have service contracts for the same period, and there is no Canonical paid support for Lubuntu or other community spins. However, in that the common core is Ubuntu, those parts inherited from Ubuntu are of course maintained as LTS by Canonical, and that includes those packages we install from main. We might however want to consider what a 2 year cycle or longer maintenance does mean for those lxde and other packages that will make up Lubuntu Lucid if clearly users have such expectations, and we need to be much clearer about the status of Lubuntu Lucid in this respect for when people do ask. In respect to this target platform, Jeff, I think Lubuntu should be able to run well in your environment, or at least it should be a goal if not, for that describes one of the target audiences Lubuntu is specifically meant to address. Presently we should run in 128m ram if you don't run firefox, and certainly there is no 3d or accelerated X requirement. An interesting though very rough comparison from a Karmic test release of Lubuntu is found here: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html Jeff Elkner wrote: Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Thanks, Julien! I'll be able to install it on at least half a dozen different computers, and report back what I find. jeff elkner On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Thanks, testing and feedback are always welcome :) I hope we can have a first testing iso next week, some days after the 1st iso of Lucid. It can be a good starting point. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le jeudi 10 décembre 2009 à 09:56 -0500, Jeff Elkner a écrit : Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: Hi All, 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. jeff elkner Same for me / moi autant ;-) PIIs / sub-700MHz PIIIs 128 MB up to 256 MB(max!) RAM HD capacity = 40 GB On such PCs: Karmic 9.10 Xfce Ubuntu sluggish Debian-stable Lenny w/ LXDE works acceptably (debian-503-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from download mirrors) - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
Hello. Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something. If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?) Regards! Mikhail PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install and it is WYSIWIG. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix. I was suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde desktop as a task in mini-iso. And yes, one could do a server install and add lxde/lubuntu after. It can in some cases be useful to have a local server gui console. Another interesting scenario is ltsp. Mikhail Maksimov wrote: Hello. Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something. If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?) Regards! Mikhail PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install and it is WYSIWIG. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help :
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
I agree with David. Also anyone who is performing these highly specialized installations is certainly going to have the knowledge required to open the command line and sudo apt-get whatever gui or lack thereof he/she wants. n Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.comwrote: I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix. I was suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde desktop as a task in mini-iso. And yes, one could do a server install and add lxde/lubuntu after. It can in some cases be useful to have a local server gui console. Another interesting scenario is ltsp. Mikhail Maksimov wrote: Hello. Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something. If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?) Regards! Mikhail PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install and it is WYSIWIG. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: [Lxde-list] New release of LXSession, lxde-common, and lxpanel
Dear all, below some info important info for lubuntu from the lxde mailing list. Best, Mario -- Forwarded message -- From: PCMan pcman...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM Subject: [Lxde-list] New release of LXSession, lxde-common, and lxpanel To: lxde-list lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net No new strings are added/removed from all the apps, so no translation update is needed. The following changes were done: lxde-common: * nuoveXT2 icon theme is removed from lxde-common and is moved to lxde-icon-theme package instead. * startlxde script now executes 'lxsession -s LXDE -e LXDE' rather than 'lxsession -s LXDE' to reflect the changes in lxsession. * unnecessary files are removed lxsession: * new command line argument: -e This let you set the internal name of the DE. This value is exported via env. variable $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP. The DE name can be used to match desktop files which contain compatible OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn key values. * the -s argument was reserved for session name only and was used to load related config files for the desktop session. For example, you can execute: lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE This should load config files from Lubuntu dir, but the DE is still recognized as LXDE by applications. So Lubuntu devs if you see this, please upgrade to this version and remove unnucessary patches you previously did. Your session profile can be renamed to Lubuntu but please keep using -e LXDE. Otherwise LXDE applications won't show in your application menu. lxpanel: * determine visibility of applications in menu by comparing OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn key values and $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP. That means, if you like, you can have lxpanel show Gnome menu by the following export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME Then lxpanel will show gnome applications instead of LXDE ones. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
To repond to the Gui interface for server. I work daily as administrator, I have Ubuntu as internet/firewall server. I think its easier with gui interface like LXDE. Because if I do it in console I have to go to the forum again to get the instruction for the setup and all that stuff and ofcourse I always forget something like installing DHCP-server, maskirq something package in the apt. And I see alot of people with the same profession has the same problems.And there is allot of server with sort kind gui interface like PF-sense but its webbased its very good.As David said it the early mail to have soho server on a netbook. I had a situation where I needed a laptop to replace the email server. And its amaze me again how powerfull linux can be but the time to build up and finding other info costed me time. But in my opinion it will be nice to have LXDE on server edition with some programs and tutorials and sample to help out the daily problem. Even an average administrators with good scenarios doesnt always work out the problems in my cases specially newbies. A server on a flashdisk will be nice in critical situation. Just plug in start the pc and take over the network. In a flash I remember article about Media Entertainment Server Geexbox... A server, you can listen to the music and watch tv channels like MythTv and if you have a tv tuner it will be great.. If I am correct you can do even videostreaming thru wirelles to other pc's at home... I guess its possible to install LXDE on the server so if you acces your server you will get LXDE on your pc or other gadget and do something with your files,printing or whatever its is just like in a Unix terminals in the 80's and 90's.Ltsp, David you talked about that I guess its something to do with it... Thanks for reading, Josef Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote: I agree with David. Also anyone who is performing these highly specialized installations is certainly going to have the knowledge required to open the command line and sudo apt-get whatever gui or lack thereof he/she wants. n Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com mailto:david.su...@canonical.com wrote: I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix. I was suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde desktop as a task in mini-iso. And yes, one could do a server install and add lxde/lubuntu after. It can in some cases be useful to have a local server gui console. Another interesting scenario is ltsp. Mikhail Maksimov wrote: Hello. Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something. If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?) Regards! Mikhail PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install and it is WYSIWIG. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
Hi again, * So filemanager will be rewritten well its great. *About the FN keys. I tested in ubuntu's Karmic koala with the FN+F12 sleep mode.. I had no problem with that... only the funny thing was I realize the backlight was not flickering in LXDE like G-NOME. *About Wicd I made a bug report. The status is Affects: wicd Importance: Undecided Status: New https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/495319 *About server with GUI ofcourse different opinion is for me no problem :-) In fact I believe differ ence make people closer and get better point of the situation.. * About the mixer yes keep it only on the imporant channels like main channel. * SD card on HDA, I read about it on the launchpad, blueprint the link was sended by David. Its ok but It possible that more of the SD card on hda will come out maybe with the ARM processors to get cheaper netbook. Its a big job and I have no capacity to join and fixing the problem... I learn Java and C but I left it behind because i am more a player than a creator... So 2 thumbs up the programmers that will fix it. Thanks. Josef Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, Thanks for your feedback, let me try to answer some of your questions/ideas : * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist Pcmanfm will be rewrite for the next release, it will be interesting to test this on the next release, as version 0.5.X is not developed anymore * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. It's more a bug on wicd than on Lubuntu itself. You should report a bug on the package. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. Lubuntu will have a volume applet by default, to be able to change your sound more easily. I don't think we need a real mixer (with all channels configuration), most of people just want to manage the main channel. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) Do you test this with Ubuntu, or another variant ? It could be a problem in general in Ubuntu, not only Lubuntu. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. Next week for an alpha 1, if I manage to build one correctly :) 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. If you have an iso, you can create an img for flash disk. I'll do it if I'm not too lazy :) 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? Sure, but as David said, maybe not optimized yet. 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. Well, I personally think that server with GUI is a bad idea, but it's just personal opinion :) 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. Firefox is still on Lubuntu, but maybe not for too long :) 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. lspci or a graphical tool like hardinfo 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... It's very good to have feedback from user :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
