Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Doc/Support Request] Removal of Bluetooth

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Bhaskar,

many thanks for that on disabling Bluetooth. It has been added to the
Workarounds area
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds

@ A J - it will need adding to your mega thread on the forum.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Bhaskar Kandiyal bkandi...@gmail.comwrote:

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 Hiya,

 On Monday 26 December 2011 06:52 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  As I was looking around the web for a way to remove/disable
  bluetooth completely, as the BIOS of the machine can't do it for
  some reason (I rather not flash it). I noticed that there were no
  good documentation regarding this issue, neither on our own
  wiki[1], help.ubuntu[2], or arch's wiki[3].
 
  So I shamefully ask if someone could provide their expertise to
  document this issue?
 
  Ideas on what to cover:
 
  *Disabling bluetooth by configuration. *Removing bluetooth related
  packages. *Disabling the kernel module (for marginal boot time
  decrease, if any).
 
  Regards, Alexander.
 
  [1]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [2]:
  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bluetooth [3]:
  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth

 Well, for disabling the kernel module, you can blacklist it to not
 load at boot time.

 lsmod | grep bluetooth - This will give you the bluetooth module and the
 other modules that require it. For me the output is:
 bluetooth 179900  23 rfcomm,bnep,btusb

 You will have to blacklist these modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
 So add the following lines to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file:

 blacklist rfcomm
 blacklist bnep
 blacklist btusb
 blacklist bluetooth

 And reboot. After the reboot you can check lsmod | grep bluetooth to
 see if it is loaded or not, if it returns empty then it's not loaded.

 As for the bluetooth related packages, I'm not sure maybe someone else
 can point out the relevant packages specific to Lubuntu as I have a
 lot of other packages installed as well, I believe removing bluez and
 bluetooth should do it.

 Hope this helps, cheers :)

 Regards,
 Bhaskar Kandiyal
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Just came from the hospital ...

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi AJ,

I'm sure I speak on behalf of all in the Lubuntu family in wishing you a
speedy recovery. Anti-biotics take a while to get into the system, be
patient my young friend.

Hope to see you up and about soon. In the meantime, take good care.

Regards,

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 I just came from hospital. I did a CT-Scan and Blood Test. I have
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 Anyway, just to let you know about that plus I think I have to be offline
 for these days. I must get well very soon so I can do what I used to do.

 Take care and wish you a Happy New year :)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] My story, and a big Thank-you

2011-12-27 Thread Daniel Ziegler
Hello all,
I would like to tell my story about my experience with Lubuntu and the
LXDE Desktop.

I've been using Ubuntu since around middle 2009, on a variety of
hardware-Dell P4 towers with 9.04 and 9.10, ThinkPad T23 with 10.04,
custom Phenom II X4 with 10.10 thru 11.10. I loved using Ubuntu, and
Linux in general over Windows XP, and was amazed with the free network
tools that you can obtain. However, I had noticed that GNOME 2.x used
a lot of system resources, around 380 MB of RAM on average. I didn't
mind so much then. But after 11.04 introduced the new Unity interface,
it threw me off and I never really adjusted to it. And GNOME 3 hasn't
helped performance at all, and removed some features. I tried the KDE
desktop for a while, but never really got used to it, and it seemed to
use a lot of RAM also.

So I became a bit frustrated, trying to find and adjust to a suitable
new desktop, and finding all ate my limited RAM up quickly. I began to
look at solutions such as Puppy Linux, but they didn't offer quite the
same Ubuntu experience, software, and interface organization. Then I
heard about Lubuntu this holiday season, after Canonical recognized it
as an official project.

It looked like my issues were solved, so I quickly downloaded it and
started to use it. It has turned out to work great for all I need to
do with a graphical desktop, and all the command line tools work of
course. Plus the learning curve from GNOME 2.x to LXDE is not very
steep. It uses about 180 MB of RAM, which is very reasonable. In fact,
I have been able to install Lubuntu on some older computers that I
would be unable to run GNOME on.

This has been a great Christmas gift for me, and I would like to just
say thank you to all of the LXDE developers, Lubuntu developers, and
of course PCMan, who started the LXDE desktop. I will be recommending
Lubuntu to everyone looking for a fast GNU/Linux distro, and look
forward to using it for a long time!

Thank you all again,

Dan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC person

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Jared,

it is for that incorporation that such a team now should leave being just
an entry on lp and become active :)

Regards,

Phill.


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 26 December 2011 05:31, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  Hi gang,
 
  As noted at the last meeting, it is the desire of Julien to have the
 teams
  back working as teams. This is ever more important as we grow.
 
  A while back, at the behest of unit193 [1] an area was created [2].
 Those of
  you who are ops will recall my nagging you to join!
 
  Well, as they said in the Movie Blues Brothers... We're putting the
 band
  back together.
 
  It is my proposal that Unit193 be the Point of Contact for things
 relating
  to our lubuntu channels to both the Ubuntu IRCCouncil and freenode.
 
  Whilst we do joke about having 'bosses' etc. Unit193 is not a 'boss', it
 is
  for him to ensure that we get a digest each meeting of anything
 'happening'
  in the world of UbuntuIRCCouncil and freenode and also raise any issues
 we,
  as a team, have.
 
  If anyone has objections to him taking on that role, now is the time to
 say.
  A -1 will register your vote against. As we all know this guy, I hope
 there
  are none.
   (Although I'm sure he would appreciate a few +1's)
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.
 
  [1]https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unit193
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 Sounds fine, my main concern with IRC is how we are travelling
 integrating into the main ubuntu namespace on freenode. I haven't
 heard anything about that in a long time. I'd +1 if it meant we
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

2011-12-27 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks,
I have a local git repo at home, I'll push it next weak.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:35:26 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just created a git repo in lxde project for lxscreenshot.
 See
 http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxscreenshot;a=summary
 
 git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot (read-only)
 ssh://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot(read/write)
 
 About how to use the git service provided by sourceforge:
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git#CreatingMultipleRepositories
 
 Thank you for the nice applications. Push it to our git repo when you have
 time, please.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 3G icon.

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Thanks boss,

Dutifully reported at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-icon-theme/+bug/909156

Oh, I hope you and your family have a good Christmas and look forward
to a great new year!

Regards,

Phill.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 The actual package name is elementary-icon-theme, if you want to report a
 bug.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:41:38 +0200
 Benny Hult hul...@gmail.com wrote:

  Its against theme. Try another and see if it appears.Phill Whiteside
  kirjoitti 25.12.2011 19:39:
  Hi,
 
 
  just a quick 'paper-cut'. The good news is that the new kernel finally
  recognises my 3G usb-dongle. The paper cut is that when it is running,
  the network icon is blank. It is still there on the bar, as in I can
  right click on the 'space', but unlike Ethernet or Wireless there is
  no icon.
 
 
  Not sure what package this is against to file a bug.
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
  Phill.
 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] My story, and a big Thank-you

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Daniel,

thank you so much for taking the time to tell your story. It is from people
like you that make the entire team drive froward. You may see it as one
person who's story will not make a difference... Can I assure you that
people like yourself who wish to reply make all the difference in the
world. It is for people like you that the team of Lubuntu realise that it
all is worth while.

Thank you for your kind words, you will have put a smile on many people who
work hard. Certainly mine.

Regards,

Phill.



On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Daniel Ziegler d.ziegle...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello all,
 I would like to tell my story about my experience with Lubuntu and the
 LXDE Desktop.

 I've been using Ubuntu since around middle 2009, on a variety of
 hardware-Dell P4 towers with 9.04 and 9.10, ThinkPad T23 with 10.04,
 custom Phenom II X4 with 10.10 thru 11.10. I loved using Ubuntu, and
 Linux in general over Windows XP, and was amazed with the free network
 tools that you can obtain. However, I had noticed that GNOME 2.x used
 a lot of system resources, around 380 MB of RAM on average. I didn't
 mind so much then. But after 11.04 introduced the new Unity interface,
 it threw me off and I never really adjusted to it. And GNOME 3 hasn't
 helped performance at all, and removed some features. I tried the KDE
 desktop for a while, but never really got used to it, and it seemed to
 use a lot of RAM also.

 So I became a bit frustrated, trying to find and adjust to a suitable
 new desktop, and finding all ate my limited RAM up quickly. I began to
 look at solutions such as Puppy Linux, but they didn't offer quite the
 same Ubuntu experience, software, and interface organization. Then I
 heard about Lubuntu this holiday season, after Canonical recognized it
 as an official project.

 It looked like my issues were solved, so I quickly downloaded it and
 started to use it. It has turned out to work great for all I need to
 do with a graphical desktop, and all the command line tools work of
 course. Plus the learning curve from GNOME 2.x to LXDE is not very
 steep. It uses about 180 MB of RAM, which is very reasonable. In fact,
 I have been able to install Lubuntu on some older computers that I
 would be unable to run GNOME on.

 This has been a great Christmas gift for me, and I would like to just
 say thank you to all of the LXDE developers, Lubuntu developers, and
 of course PCMan, who started the LXDE desktop. I will be recommending
 Lubuntu to everyone looking for a fast GNU/Linux distro, and look
 forward to using it for a long time!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Hùng,

an apology from me.

We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the
builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our
older not fully approved builds.

I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team 
can miss things.

@ Julien  PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to
a more recent area.
@ A J await until you are better  add it to the thread on the forum.

Regards,

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
 lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
 we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
 Manager and Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
 Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
 can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
 desktops almost have nothing.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

2011-12-27 Thread Alexis Lopez Zubieta
I have a question about lxpanel2.
Are you planing to make it using an object oriented approach?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Jared Norris
On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide
 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
 lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
 we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
 Manager and Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
 Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
 can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
 desktops almost have nothing.

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My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
other stuff anyway?

I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Hùng Trần
Hi Phill,

You're welcome! I think it's not your fault and I'm very happy to be a part
of the team :).

Hi Jared,

I agree with you too. Actually sudo apt-get install
--no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop is the command I always use
because I don't have time to remove the applications I don't use (like
ace-of-penguins game, gnome-mplayer...).

Hi all,

I think we should give some explaintions in the wiki. If reader wants a
full Lubuntu desktop, just use sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, if
he/she wants a minimal desktop and then add new applications by
him/herself, so just use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
lubuntu-desktop.

Regards,
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On 28 December 2011 14:01, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

 --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Keeping low profile for some days is VERY boring but I won't overdo it so
one reply and I'm off :)

From what I understand:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download

If you read the above two links, you maybe a little bit confused and think
both are the same but in the matter of fact, these two installs are NOT the
same.

From the first link:

The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation
 time instead of providing them on the install CD itself. Downloading
 packages at install time reduces the size of the install CD to
 approximately 5 to 30MB depending on architecture (see below), as well as
 providing only the packages needed for installation. The download time
 savings achieved by using a Minimal CD can be significant, as only current
 packages are downloaded, so there is no need to upgrade packages
 immediately after installation. The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer
 like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible.



From the second link:

The text-based alternate installer can be downloaded from a location near
 you http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download. This installation CD is
 suited for computers unable to run the graphical desktop based
 installation, either because their computer does not meet the minimum
 requirements for the live cd or because their computer requires
 configuration after the installation is complete in order to use the
 desktop.



This link here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
May give a better understanding.

From what I understand, the mini install could be used not only for people
with low end hardware but also for those who seek simplicity and want to
build their system as per what they really need and avoid the extra stuff.
Once you have the base or the core system, you can install whatever you
want.

So, I'm with Jared and also happy to be proved wrong :)
If we are wrong, then the above two links MUST be updated and someone must
be more accurate.

By the way, last night, I was SO bored so I downloaded the mini iso and
installed it on one of my test PCs.  I managed to find a wired connection
(finally) because I always use the Wireless connection. I'm actually
planning to build a system that even lighter than Lubuntu (the one that we
all know). I'm planning to do some tests so later on I can install Lubuntu
instead of Linux Mint LXDE 9 on this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614

By the way, YES, that laptop does work until now. At that time, Lubuntu
10.04 did not work at all and I had less experience than now. I do want to
install Lubuntu and will do whatever it takes to do that.

Thank you everyone :)
Now, logging off.


@Phill
Once I can resume my normal activities, I'm going to finish my test with
the mini install and if I managed to do what I want, I'll write a simple
guide and add it to Lubuntu One Stop Thread :) if there will be more
details then I'll write a new thread and then add it to LOST.

:)


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
As you know, before we were adopted, we only had 'home spun' disks...

The Full On Ubiquity was always to be the official one, but not a great
deal of help for lower spec computers. The argument did go up as to why
they botched a bug by requiring 2 X Ram instead of simply putting your
patch in. You do not know how much this idiotic 'fix' caused, but we were
not adopted at that point and could not log it as a regression. Since then
the bug has remained, it does, Jared, really grate me as it was such a
simple fix to bloody make and get Ubiquity running at a decent speed.

To keep the peace, we were told to accept the alternate iso which does not
require Ubiquity. As the Canonical team are now also trying to build PPC /
Mac-Intel / ARM etc. I do ask what are the more important cases for the
kernel team and also the QA / Testing team to prioritise?

Julien has already made it quite clear that any group that wish support for
a particular chip set Get a testing team together  we will do it. No
decent testing team == no support. Oh, does this sound backwards?... Until
we have people to test, we simply cannot test... So go get your friends.

@ QA - do tell me where I am wrong in terms of bodies to test.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
  TRẦN Duy Hùng
  http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
 
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

 --
 Regards,

 Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris

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