Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[Phill Whiteside]

As you know, before we were adopted, we only had 'home spun' disks...

The "Full On" Ubiquity was always to be the official one, but not a great
deal of help for lower spec computers. The argument did go up as to why
they botched a bug by requiring 2 X Ram instead of simply putting your
patch in. You do not know how much this idiotic 'fix' caused, but we were
not adopted at that point and could not log it as a regression. Since then
the bug has remained, it does, Jared, really grate me as it was such a
simple fix to bloody make and get Ubiquity running at a decent speed.

To keep the peace, we were told to accept the alternate iso which does not
require Ubiquity. As the Canonical team are now also trying to build PPC /
Mac-Intel / ARM etc. I do ask what are the more important cases for the
kernel team and also the QA / Testing team to prioritise?

Julien has already made it quite clear that any group that wish support for
a particular chip set Get a testing team together & we will do it. No
decent testing team == no support. Oh, does this sound backwards?... Until
we have people to test, we simply cannot test... So go get your friends.

@ QA - do tell me where I am wrong in terms of bodies to test.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just checked our Minimal Install guide
> > at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
> >
> > I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
> > lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With
> "--no-install-recommends"
> > we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
> > Manager and Preferred Applications.
> >
> > As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
> > Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
> > can't use Ubiquity.
> > Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
> > desktops almost have nothing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > TRẦN Duy Hùng
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>
> My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
> correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
> why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
> installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
> the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
> wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
> really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
> want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
> other stuff anyway?
>
> I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
> and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.
>
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Keeping low profile for some days is VERY boring but I won't overdo it so
one reply and I'm off :)

>From what I understand:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download

If you read the above two links, you maybe a little bit confused and think
both are the same but in the matter of fact, these two installs are NOT the
same.

>From the first link:

The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation
> time instead of providing them on the install CD itself. Downloading
> packages at install time reduces the size of the install CD to
> approximately 5 to 30MB depending on architecture (see below), as well as
> providing only the packages needed for installation. The download time
> savings achieved by using a Minimal CD can be significant, as only current
> packages are downloaded, so there is no need to upgrade packages
> immediately after installation. The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer
> like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible.



>From the second link:

The text-based alternate installer can be downloaded from a location near
> you . This installation CD is
> suited for computers unable to run the graphical desktop based
> installation, either because their computer does not meet the minimum
> requirements for the live cd or because their computer requires
> configuration after the installation is complete in order to use the
> desktop.



This link here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
May give a better understanding.

>From what I understand, the mini install could be used not only for people
with low end hardware but also for those who seek simplicity and want to
build their system as per what they really need and avoid the extra stuff.
Once you have the base or the core system, you can install whatever you
want.

So, I'm with Jared and also happy to be proved wrong :)
If we are wrong, then the above two links MUST be updated and someone must
be more accurate.

By the way, last night, I was SO bored so I downloaded the mini iso and
installed it on one of my test PCs.  I managed to find a wired connection
(finally) because I always use the Wireless connection. I'm actually
planning to build a system that even lighter than Lubuntu (the one that we
all know). I'm planning to do some tests so later on I can install Lubuntu
instead of Linux Mint LXDE 9 on this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614

By the way, YES, that laptop does work until now. At that time, Lubuntu
10.04 did not work at all and I had less experience than now. I do want to
install Lubuntu and will do whatever it takes to do that.

Thank you everyone :)
Now, logging off.


@Phill
Once I can resume my normal activities, I'm going to finish my test with
the mini install and if I managed to do what I want, I'll write a simple
guide and add it to Lubuntu One Stop Thread :) if there will be more
details then I'll write a new thread and then add it to LOST.

:)


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just checked our Minimal Install guide
> > at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
> >
> > I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
> > lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With
> "--no-install-recommends"
> > we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
> > Manager and Preferred Applications.
> >
> > As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
> > Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
> > can't use Ubiquity.
> > Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
> > desktops almost have nothing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > TRẦN Duy Hùng
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>
> My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
> correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
> why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
> installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
> the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
> wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
> really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
> want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
> other stuff anyway?
>
> I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
> and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

[PCMan]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Alexis Lopez Zubieta <
azubi...@estudiantes.uci.cu> wrote:

> I have a question about lxpanel2.
> Are you planing to make it using an object oriented approach?
>
What do you mean by object oriented approach?
I don't understand what you mean. Any examples?

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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[Hùng Trần]

Hi Phill,

You're welcome! I think it's not your fault and I'm very happy to be a part
of the team :).

Hi Jared,

I agree with you too. Actually "sudo apt-get install
--no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop" is the command I always use
because I don't have time to remove the applications I don't use (like
ace-of-penguins game, gnome-mplayer...).

Hi all,

I think we should give some explaintions in the wiki. If reader wants a
full Lubuntu desktop, just use "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop", if
he/she wants a minimal desktop and then add new applications by
him/herself, so just use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
lubuntu-desktop".

Regards,
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On 28 December 2011 14:01, Jared Norris  wrote:

> On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just checked our Minimal Install guide
> > at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
> >
> > I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
> > lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With
> "--no-install-recommends"
> > we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
> > Manager and Preferred Applications.
> >
> > As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
> > Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
> > can't use Ubiquity.
> > Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
> > desktops almost have nothing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > TRẦN Duy Hùng
> > http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
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>
> My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
> correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
> why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
> installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
> the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
> wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
> really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
> want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
> other stuff anyway?
>
> I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
> and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[Jared Norris]

On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just checked our Minimal Install guide
> at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
>
> I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
> lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With "--no-install-recommends"
> we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
> Manager and Preferred Applications.
>
> As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
> Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
> can't use Ubiquity.
> Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
> desktops almost have nothing.
>
> Regards,
> TRẦN Duy Hùng
> http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
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My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
other stuff anyway?

I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

[Alexis Lopez Zubieta]

I have a question about lxpanel2.
Are you planing to make it using an object oriented approach?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Hùng,

an apology from me.

We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the
builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our
older not fully approved builds.

I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team &
can miss things.

@ Julien & PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to
a more recent area.
@ A J await until you are better & add it to the thread on the forum.

Regards,

Phill.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just checked our Minimal Install guide at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
>
> I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
> lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With "--no-install-recommends"
> we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
> Manager and Preferred Applications.
>
> As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
> Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
> can't use Ubiquity.
> Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
> desktops almost have nothing.
>
> Regards,
> TRẦN Duy Hùng
> http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

[Hùng Trần]

Hi all,

I just checked our Minimal Install guide at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

I don't know why we use "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
lubuntu-desktop" command to install Lubuntu. With "--no-install-recommends"
we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
Manager and Preferred Applications.

As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
can't use Ubiquity.
Using "--no-install-recommends" could make newbie confused when their
desktops almost have nothing.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] My story, and a big Thank-you

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Daniel,

thank you so much for taking the time to tell your story. It is from people
like you that make the entire team drive froward. You may see it as one
person who's story will not make a difference... Can I assure you that
people like yourself who wish to reply make all the difference in the
world. It is for people like you that the team of Lubuntu realise that it
all is worth while.

Thank you for your kind words, you will have put a smile on many people who
work hard. Certainly mine.

Regards,

Phill.



On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Daniel Ziegler wrote:

> Hello all,
> I would like to tell my story about my experience with Lubuntu and the
> LXDE Desktop.
>
> I've been using Ubuntu since around middle 2009, on a variety of
> hardware-Dell P4 towers with 9.04 and 9.10, ThinkPad T23 with 10.04,
> custom Phenom II X4 with 10.10 thru 11.10. I loved using Ubuntu, and
> Linux in general over Windows XP, and was amazed with the free network
> tools that you can obtain. However, I had noticed that GNOME 2.x used
> a lot of system resources, around 380 MB of RAM on average. I didn't
> mind so much then. But after 11.04 introduced the new Unity interface,
> it threw me off and I never really adjusted to it. And GNOME 3 hasn't
> helped performance at all, and removed some features. I tried the KDE
> desktop for a while, but never really got used to it, and it seemed to
> use a lot of RAM also.
>
> So I became a bit frustrated, trying to find and adjust to a suitable
> new desktop, and finding all ate my limited RAM up quickly. I began to
> look at solutions such as Puppy Linux, but they didn't offer quite the
> same Ubuntu experience, software, and interface organization. Then I
> heard about Lubuntu this holiday season, after Canonical recognized it
> as an official project.
>
> It looked like my issues were solved, so I quickly downloaded it and
> started to use it. It has turned out to work great for all I need to
> do with a graphical desktop, and all the command line tools work of
> course. Plus the learning curve from GNOME 2.x to LXDE is not very
> steep. It uses about 180 MB of RAM, which is very reasonable. In fact,
> I have been able to install Lubuntu on some older computers that I
> would be unable to run GNOME on.
>
> This has been a great Christmas gift for me, and I would like to just
> say thank you to all of the LXDE developers, Lubuntu developers, and
> of course PCMan, who started the LXDE desktop. I will be recommending
> Lubuntu to everyone looking for a fast GNU/Linux distro, and look
> forward to using it for a long time!
>
> Thank you all again,
>
> Dan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 3G icon.

[Phill Whiteside]

Thanks boss,

Dutifully reported at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-icon-theme/+bug/909156

Oh, I hope you and your family have a good Christmas and look forward
to a great new year!

Regards,

Phill.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> The actual package name is elementary-icon-theme, if you want to report a
> bug.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:41:38 +0200
> Benny Hult  wrote:
>
> > Its against theme. Try another and see if it appears.Phill Whiteside
> > kirjoitti 25.12.2011 19:39:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > just a quick 'paper-cut'. The good news is that the new kernel finally
> > recognises my 3G usb-dongle. The paper cut is that when it is running,
> > the network icon is blank. It is still there on the bar, as in I can
> > right click on the 'space', but unlike Ethernet or Wireless there is
> > no icon.
> >
> >
> > Not sure what package this is against to file a bug.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] My story, and a big Thank-you

[Rafael Laguna]

It's really a pleasure reading this. It's a confirmation of our work and
good news that keep us on the way. Everything you mention were the Lubuntu
targets (speed, simplicity, ultra-fast learning curve, easy-to-see)
specially using those (not so) old computers we have in a corner.

Anyway, your advertising over there is well apreciated! :)

Thanks so much.



   



2011/12/27 Daniel Ziegler 

> Hello all,
> I would like to tell my story about my experience with Lubuntu and the
> LXDE Desktop.
>
> I've been using Ubuntu since around middle 2009, on a variety of
> hardware-Dell P4 towers with 9.04 and 9.10, ThinkPad T23 with 10.04,
> custom Phenom II X4 with 10.10 thru 11.10. I loved using Ubuntu, and
> Linux in general over Windows XP, and was amazed with the free network
> tools that you can obtain. However, I had noticed that GNOME 2.x used
> a lot of system resources, around 380 MB of RAM on average. I didn't
> mind so much then. But after 11.04 introduced the new Unity interface,
> it threw me off and I never really adjusted to it. And GNOME 3 hasn't
> helped performance at all, and removed some features. I tried the KDE
> desktop for a while, but never really got used to it, and it seemed to
> use a lot of RAM also.
>
> So I became a bit frustrated, trying to find and adjust to a suitable
> new desktop, and finding all ate my limited RAM up quickly. I began to
> look at solutions such as Puppy Linux, but they didn't offer quite the
> same Ubuntu experience, software, and interface organization. Then I
> heard about Lubuntu this holiday season, after Canonical recognized it
> as an official project.
>
> It looked like my issues were solved, so I quickly downloaded it and
> started to use it. It has turned out to work great for all I need to
> do with a graphical desktop, and all the command line tools work of
> course. Plus the learning curve from GNOME 2.x to LXDE is not very
> steep. It uses about 180 MB of RAM, which is very reasonable. In fact,
> I have been able to install Lubuntu on some older computers that I
> would be unable to run GNOME on.
>
> This has been a great Christmas gift for me, and I would like to just
> say thank you to all of the LXDE developers, Lubuntu developers, and
> of course PCMan, who started the LXDE desktop. I will be recommending
> Lubuntu to everyone looking for a fast GNU/Linux distro, and look
> forward to using it for a long time!
>
> Thank you all again,
>
> Dan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 3G icon.

[Julien Lavergne]

The actual package name is elementary-icon-theme, if you want to report a bug.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:41:38 +0200
Benny Hult  wrote:

> Its against theme. Try another and see if it appears.Phill Whiteside
> kirjoitti 25.12.2011 19:39:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> just a quick 'paper-cut'. The good news is that the new kernel finally
> recognises my 3G usb-dongle. The paper cut is that when it is running,
> the network icon is blank. It is still there on the bar, as in I can
> right click on the 'space', but unlike Ethernet or Wireless there is
> no icon.
> 
> 
> Not sure what package this is against to file a bug.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] My story, and a big Thank-you

[Daniel Ziegler]

Hello all,
I would like to tell my story about my experience with Lubuntu and the
LXDE Desktop.

I've been using Ubuntu since around middle 2009, on a variety of
hardware-Dell P4 towers with 9.04 and 9.10, ThinkPad T23 with 10.04,
custom Phenom II X4 with 10.10 thru 11.10. I loved using Ubuntu, and
Linux in general over Windows XP, and was amazed with the free network
tools that you can obtain. However, I had noticed that GNOME 2.x used
a lot of system resources, around 380 MB of RAM on average. I didn't
mind so much then. But after 11.04 introduced the new Unity interface,
it threw me off and I never really adjusted to it. And GNOME 3 hasn't
helped performance at all, and removed some features. I tried the KDE
desktop for a while, but never really got used to it, and it seemed to
use a lot of RAM also.

So I became a bit frustrated, trying to find and adjust to a suitable
new desktop, and finding all ate my limited RAM up quickly. I began to
look at solutions such as Puppy Linux, but they didn't offer quite the
same Ubuntu experience, software, and interface organization. Then I
heard about Lubuntu this holiday season, after Canonical recognized it
as an official project.

It looked like my issues were solved, so I quickly downloaded it and
started to use it. It has turned out to work great for all I need to
do with a graphical desktop, and all the command line tools work of
course. Plus the learning curve from GNOME 2.x to LXDE is not very
steep. It uses about 180 MB of RAM, which is very reasonable. In fact,
I have been able to install Lubuntu on some older computers that I
would be unable to run GNOME on.

This has been a great Christmas gift for me, and I would like to just
say thank you to all of the LXDE developers, Lubuntu developers, and
of course PCMan, who started the LXDE desktop. I will be recommending
Lubuntu to everyone looking for a fast GNU/Linux distro, and look
forward to using it for a long time!

Thank you all again,

Dan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks,
I have a local git repo at home, I'll push it next weak.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:35:26 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> I just created a git repo in lxde project for lxscreenshot.
> See
> http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxscreenshot;a=summary
> 
> git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot (read-only)
> ssh://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot(read/write)
> 
> About how to use the git service provided by sourceforge:
> https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git#CreatingMultipleRepositories
> 
> Thank you for the nice applications. Push it to our git repo when you have
> time, please.
> Cheers!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

[Julien Lavergne]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:19:32 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Now I mainly focus on finishing pcmanfm 1.0, but previously I already have
> a proof-of-concept prototype for lxpanel2. It's now 40% finished.
> Here is the spec of the new lxpanel2.

Thanks for the update.

The spec sounds interesting, don't hesitate to push something when you have a 
working version.

However, I think we should keep lxpanel in maintenance mode, and include 
external contributions, as long as they are working, and not breaking anything 
:) This panel will be there for quite sometimes, we should not abandon it for 
now, at least until the rewrite is good enough.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2

[Michael Rawson]

Wow, sounds good!

Sign me up. :D

Keep us informed. A new (or at least bugfixed) panel would be awesome.


On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:19:32 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Recently there are some discussions about lxpanel on the mailing list,
> which is really great.
> Hope that we can have a new maintainer for it.
> 
> The original lxpanel, however, is bound to gtk2, xlib, and some
> linux-specific stuff.
> This makes migration to new technology very difficult.
> Much has happened in recent years.
> 1. gtk3 replaces gtk2.
>   The management of window geometry and underlying drawing parts have
> radical and backward incompatible changes.
>   Background image support will be completely broken in gtk3 as many
> deprecated APIs are removed from gtk3, especially the pixmap-related ones.
> 2. HAL is deprecated and now we have udisks/upower (linux-only), and things
> never work for other unix variants.
> 3. logout/shutdown should be done with ConsoleKit now.
> 4. Xlib is going to be replaced by xcb.
> 5. Xorg will sooner or later be replaced by Wayland in some distros
> 6. gio and dbus became widely used nowadays.
> 7. pulse audio is widely used, and direct ALSA access sometimes causes
> problems
> 
> Hence, making old code work with new tech might even be more difficult then
> a rewrite.
> That's why a rewrite/redesign is planned.
> A project without many maintainers should not be trapped in the vicious
> cycle of fixing the broken compatibilities again and again.
> We have only one way out, reusing existing libraries whenever possible and
> trying not to touch too low level stuff.
> 
> Now I mainly focus on finishing pcmanfm 1.0, but previously I already have
> a proof-of-concept prototype for lxpanel2. It's now 40% finished.
> Here is the spec of the new lxpanel2.
> 
> 1. Mainly written in Vala, and use C when absolutely needed to speed up
> developement
> 2. Directly based on gtk3 and does not mess with gtk2. Drawing stuff will
> be done completely with cairo.
> 3. Built with CMake instead of automake (already done)
> 4. Use standard widgets whenever possible to get proper accessibility
> support (important!!)
> 5. Network monitor part is based on libgtop (90% finished)
> Libgtop is a nice lightweight library designed for system monitoring.
> It works for major systems, not Linux-only.
> Even better, it has no gnome dependency.
> 6. Pager and task manager part will use libwnck. (80% finished)
> With libwnck, we do not touch underlying X11 stuff and can be much more
> portable and resistant to future changes of X.
> Though it's a gnome lib, it only depends on gtk and has no other gnome
> dependencies.
> The implementation is quite clean and complete and the APIs are well
> documented, making it nice to work with.
> 7. Battery monitor will use dbus + UPower. (70% finished)
> Glib/gio has built-in dbus support now so no additional deps are
> needed. Vala even has dbus integration at the language level. Great!
> This may be much better than read from /sys as upower devs will handle
> future incompatible changes and provide a constant dbus interface.
> 8. IPC stuff will use dbus instead of XSelection hacks. (dbus is quite
> common now and glib has built-in support)
> 9. The config file might become a single xml file (not sure, still under
> evaluation. Ini file based solution is not very handy for tree like data
> structure)
> 10.The UI might be similar than that of the old lxpanel initially, but in
> the future we need to be more unique and won't be Windows-like.
> 11.Volume control should be an additional plugin or systray applet instead
> of built into the panel. So we won't depend on ALSA by default.
> 
> Instead of reinventing everything in a poor manner, this time I will reuse
> existing implementations whenever possible
> if they are lightweight enough. This should decrease maintenance load to a
> minimum and guarantee tolerance to future changes.
> With Vala, coding became much faster than before. To achieve the same
> functionality as in C, I felt that only 1/3 of code is needed.
> Though the new lxpanel2 will not be available soon, it will be pushed into
> repo once I got a first working version.
> Of course, this should happen after the file manager 1.0 is done.
> 
> Thanks for your patience.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC person

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Jared,

it is for that incorporation that such a team now should leave being just
an entry on lp and become active :)

Regards,

Phill.


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> On 26 December 2011 05:31, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > As noted at the last meeting, it is the desire of Julien to have the
> teams
> > back working as teams. This is ever more important as we grow.
> >
> > A while back, at the behest of unit193 [1] an area was created [2].
> Those of
> > you who are ops will recall my nagging you to join!
> >
> > Well, as they said in the Movie "Blues Brothers"... We're putting the
> band
> > back together.
> >
> > It is my proposal that Unit193 be the Point of Contact for things
> relating
> > to our lubuntu channels to both the Ubuntu IRCCouncil and freenode.
> >
> > Whilst we do joke about having 'bosses' etc. Unit193 is not a 'boss', it
> is
> > for him to ensure that we get a digest each meeting of anything
> 'happening'
> > in the world of UbuntuIRCCouncil and freenode and also raise any issues
> we,
> > as a team, have.
> >
> > If anyone has objections to him taking on that role, now is the time to
> say.
> > A -1 will register your vote against. As we all know this guy, I hope
> there
> > are none.
> >  (Although I'm sure he would appreciate a few +1's)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> > [1]https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unit193
> > [2]https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-irc-ops
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> Sounds fine, my main concern with IRC is how we are travelling
> integrating into the main ubuntu namespace on freenode. I haven't
> heard anything about that in a long time. I'd +1 if it meant we
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Just came from the hospital ...

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi AJ,

I'm sure I speak on behalf of all in the Lubuntu family in wishing you a
speedy recovery. Anti-biotics take a while to get into the system, be
patient my young friend.

Hope to see you up and about soon. In the meantime, take good care.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

> Hi Phill,
>
> Hope you are doing well.
> I just came from hospital. I did a CT-Scan and Blood Test. I have
> Bacterial Infection. I still need to do more test after 7 days and keep
> taking some anti-biotic that doesn't seem to work.
>
> Anyway, just to let you know about that plus I think I have to be offline
> for these days. I must get well very soon so I can do what I used to do.
>
> Take care and wish you a Happy New year :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Doc/Support Request] Removal of Bluetooth

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Bhaskar,

many thanks for that on disabling Bluetooth. It has been added to the
Workarounds area
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds

@ A J - it will need adding to your mega thread on the forum.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Bhaskar Kandiyal wrote:

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> Hiya,
>
> On Monday 26 December 2011 06:52 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > As I was looking around the web for a way to remove/disable
> > bluetooth completely, as the BIOS of the machine can't do it for
> > some reason (I rather not flash it). I noticed that there were no
> > good documentation regarding this issue, neither on our own
> > wiki[1], help.ubuntu[2], or arch's wiki[3].
> >
> > So I shamefully ask if someone could provide their expertise to
> > document this issue?
> >
> > Ideas on what to cover:
> >
> > *Disabling bluetooth by configuration. *Removing bluetooth related
> > packages. *Disabling the kernel module (for marginal boot time
> > decrease, if any).
> >
> > Regards, Alexander.
> >
> > [1]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [2]:
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bluetooth [3]:
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth
>
> Well, for disabling the kernel module, you can blacklist it to not
> load at boot time.
>
> lsmod | grep bluetooth - This will give you the bluetooth module and the
> other modules that require it. For me the output is:
> bluetooth 179900  23 rfcomm,bnep,btusb
>
> You will have to blacklist these modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
> So add the following lines to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file:
>
> blacklist rfcomm
> blacklist bnep
> blacklist btusb
> blacklist bluetooth
>
> And reboot. After the reboot you can check lsmod | grep bluetooth to
> see if it is loaded or not, if it returns empty then it's not loaded.
>
> As for the bluetooth related packages, I'm not sure maybe someone else
> can point out the relevant packages specific to Lubuntu as I have a
> lot of other packages installed as well, I believe removing bluez and
> bluetooth should do it.
>
> Hope this helps, cheers :)
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

[Rafael Laguna]

Just a question. Is it possible or are you planning to make all lx-programs
accept command-line commands? I say this because I was thinking about the
possibility of some theme manager that could call the openbox, gtk, icon
and others change selecting a theme, via command-line. Something like a
Vala front end.

Thank you.


  



2011/12/27 PCMan 

> I just created a git repo in lxde project for lxscreenshot.
> See
> http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxscreenshot;a=summary
>
> git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot (read-only)
> ssh://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot(read/write)
>
> About how to use the git service provided by sourceforge:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git#CreatingMultipleRepositories
>
> Thank you for the nice applications. Push it to our git repo when you have
> time, please.
> Cheers!
>
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