Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] precise artwork

[Chris]

This list is deprecated, please stop using it.

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 21:38, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi Rafael,
>
> So, we install the new one and then choose a theme we like? (Shhs, don't
> tell anyone - horror forbid we have a choice :P ) As ever Rafael, thanks
> for the hard work you and your small team put in. It is such an important
> element of the system.
>
> @ Julien - How soon to the staging PPA?
>
> thanks,
>
> Phill.
>
> On 27 January 2012 19:44, 神癒礁湖  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Hi, people:
>>
>> I have updated the artwork (again). I REALLY recommend you to replace
>> your Ozone3 theme with this one (a lot of improvements solve several bugs).
>> Also, the wallpaper is ready (after a selection process). Again no option
>> for colour (sorry) for us and Xubuntu devs (also Kubuntu are "slaved" to
>> its plasmoid style) due to "Canonical restrictions".
>>
>> If you feel better, the new artwork package will include all previous
>> Lubuntu themes and some walls by the Flickr community. Check out:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Precise/Ozone
>>
>> As always, feedback is appreciated. Thanks.
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] This mailing list will be closed SOON !

[Chris]

*IMPORTANT NOTICE*

The subscribe link is missing from lists.ubuntu.com !

I believe Unit193 has the link somewhere to subscribe and otherwise it's in
the mark archive of this list.

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On Jan 19, 2012 6:11 AM, "Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset" 
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> Where to suscribe to the new list?
>
> -- jpxsat
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxFind and LxScreenshot

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There is still time; feature freeze is 16th of Februari.

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 16:00, Stephen Smally wrote:

> Ok, i have a question, will LxFind and LxScreenshot will included in
> Lubuntu Precise? or the feature freeze is already gone?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxPanel's Menu conflics with keyboard shortcuts....

[Chris]

I think Alt + F10 maximizes, the other one I'd have to look up.
Ctrl + Alt +  for switching desktops.

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On Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM, "Axel FILMORE"  wrote:

> Great, but how to minimise/maximise windows ?
>
> Another interesting Super key is Super+F1, Super+F2, this switches to
> desktop
> 1 or 2, if you have 2 desktops of course.
>
> On 17/01/2012 13:18, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>
>> There is CTRL+ALT+D to start the filemanager and CTRL+ALT+T to start a
>> terminal.
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A question about GDebi

[Chris]

Aloha Hai,

I don't see the switch made soon if at all. But there isn't a need to
worry. If we decide to make the switch, we'll be sure to have it properly
working before switching.
If you have any further questions, please let us know.

With metta, Chris

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 07:01, Hai Thanh Nguyen  wrote:

> Dear sir,
> Just a question, will GDebi be used for installing external deb files in
> upcoming versions of Lubuntu? Or it's replaced by Lubuntu Software
> Center?
> Regards,
> Hai
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk

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Hello everyone,

Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is
because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified
interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is
Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of
technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to
install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to
install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only
show packages "designed" for Lubuntu afaik.

Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should*
preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what
should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki
group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to
packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact
could be, but their might already be a page about that on the "main" wiki
which we could refer to.

ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at
a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system
impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't
a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me
up-to-date.

With metta, Chris

P.S.: Ali, you used the "old" lubuntu list, which will be deprecated
shortly. I've cc'd the new list.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Before I reply to this post:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963&postcount=252
>> I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I
>> understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on.
>>
>> As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies
>> Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more
>> about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue.
>> I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for
>> sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't
>> be affected.
>>
>> I've come across MANY questions from users like: "This app has lots of
>> dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down??"
>>
>> For me, I can easily reply that post saying: "It's more about space
>> issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal
>> for Synaptic."
>>
>
> This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because
> the program needs them at "runtime".
> Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at
> runtime as well.
> The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly
> running throughout the whole desktop session.
> (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other
> dbus services...)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Derivatives using the LightDM GTK+ greeter

[Chris]

This was just in. Might be interesting?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Micah Gersten 
Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:19
Subject: Fwd: Derivatives using the LightDM GTK+ greeter
To: Xubuntu Development Discussion 




 Original Message   Subject: Derivatives using the LightDM
GTK+ greeter  Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:13:06 +0100  From: Robert Ancell
   To: Ubuntu
Devel list  

Hi all,

I just wanted to clarify some points regarding LightDM and the GTK+
greeter (lightdm-gtk-greeter package):
- This greeter was always intended as an example greeter
- It's being used as the default installed greeter for some derivatives
- The GTK+ greeter is now an independent project from LightDM
(http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/lightdm/2011-November/000190.html)

I do not spend much time on this greeter other than confirming it still
works with newer versions of the daemon, and have no plans to add new
functionality.  If derivatives want to use this greeter they are welcome
to, but I suggest they will need to take maintainership of the project.
Now it is a separate launchpad project
(https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter) it is easy to give people
permissions to this project.

Anyone interested?

--Robert


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting

[Chris]

Aloha Phill and the rest,

While I agree that the link you provided needs updating (missing the Header
and Bulletin for example) it isn't the link to the page with the upcoming
meeting [1]. To reduces duplicating information, I'd suggest just linking
to the agenda page. I might be up for changing it, but I'm on my mobile
phone at the moment.

With metta, Chris

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
On Jan 3, 2012 6:40 AM, "Phill Whiteside"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> a couple of hours before the 1st lubuntu meeting, I have a QA [1] meeting.
>
> This was sent to the couple of guys who are signed up for lubuntu QA, but
> as I always get asked so many questions about QA / Testing I invite others
> to attend. We only have a one hour slot, followed a couple of hours later
> with our lubuntu meeting.
>
> As the representative from lubuntu to the qa team please go easy on me &
> ensure any topics you wish to discuss on the QA meeting are on the aganda.
>
> I hope that just sitting in on a QA meeting will be educational to those
> who are interested in joining our lubuntu-qa area. My apologies for being
> the chair, it was not planned - I hate being the chair of meetings.
>
> Oh, and just So I do not look like a complete fool, could someone sort out
> [2] this link so it actually points to the meeting area. I have been via
> Edubuntu, kubuntu to try and get it...
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
>
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Phill Whiteside 
> Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:21 AM
> Subject: Meeting
> To: Phill Whiteside 
>
>
> You are invited to the 1st QA meeting of the New Year.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
>
> Yeah, even better reason to attend, as our usual chair for all of the
> teams will not be there, I have been asked to chair it. when it gets to
> the #lubuntu section, please do simply say that we have followed up on
> last request and created a team?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Possible bug in Ubiquity.

[Chris]

Hello everyone,

First of Happy New Year to everyone here. May all your dreams come true (or
if you're like me, that you may find a dream to pursuit).

Secondly I'll get more into the bugs I quickly reported on IRC. First of
all there is the "feature request" of making a link to #lubuntu webchat
page. It'll make it that much more easy to let new users find us. As we are
having our own links to our wiki and launchpad I thought it wouldn't be
that much trouble.

Thirdly there is the "real bug". As we've discussed things for development
it was asked by myself if the quick-search of Synaptic could be activated,
but Julien reported it broke down some of his systems. As such we've
decided that users could decide for themselves if they wanted it enabled or
not and put on the Release Notes of Oneiric [1] the steps to do so.
However, ever a clean install on my brothers computer I was (happily)
surprised that the quick-search was enabled by default after everything was
finished (this included the first update round after installation). Seeing
this wasn't part of how it "should" be, it is considered a bug.

I hope this clears matters.

With metta, Chris

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 06:38, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> I think, by complete accident what it may be by simply editing the text on
> links
>
> I went to alter one of my web-links to point to SII and it came out like
> this when parsed by the browser...
>
> Original link = http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners
>
> Standard from my wiki, I removed ubuntu-beginners and put on sii 
>
>  as such  http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=sii
>
> This is what it was reported back to me as.
>
>
> (01:10:21) phillwuk: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels= (
> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners)sii
>
> Once I was aware I pulled it Xpad and edited it and reposted it, it then
> worked fine... I think we just need to be aware of the editing of webchat
> links!
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Hi Boss,
>>
>> (14:39:13) MrChrisDruif: Make a link to
>> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lubuntu in the screenshots with
>> the installer, just like it links to the wiki and launchpad page
>> (14:39:41) MrChrisDruif: And the bug is that the quick search is enabled
>> again after installation
>> (14:40:17) MrChrisDruif: Seeing we "disabled" it, it's a bug.
>> (14:40:59) MrChrisDruif: phillw: ^
>> (14:42:25) phillw: it must pull in the additional lib function.
>>
>> I am guessing this needs filing against Ubiquity?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC person

[Chris]

Another +1 from me.
Good luck boi!

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On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 21:19, James Gifford wrote:

> +1, he knows his IRC stuff and is friendly.
>
> Cheers,
> James Gifford
>
> On Dec 25, 2011, at 14:31, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> As noted at the last meeting, it is the desire of Julien to have the teams
> back working as teams. This is ever more important as we grow.
>
> A while back, at the behest of unit193 [1] an area was created [2]. Those
> of you who are ops will recall my nagging you to join!
>
> Well, as they said in the Movie "Blues Brothers"... We're putting the band
> back together.
>
> It is my proposal that Unit193 be the Point of Contact for things relating
> to our lubuntu channels to both the Ubuntu IRCCouncil and freenode.
>
> Whilst we do joke about having 'bosses' etc. Unit193 is not a 'boss', it
> is for him to ensure that we get a digest each meeting of anything
> 'happening' in the world of UbuntuIRCCouncil and freenode and also raise
> any issues we, as a team, have.
>
> If anyone has objections to him taking on that role, now is the time to
> say. A -1 will register your vote against. As we all know this guy, I hope
> there are none.
>  (Although I'm sure he would appreciate a few +1's)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea for i586

[Chris]

No, I think you're wrong. However, the more newer CPU's which only support
i586 (AMD Geode and others (I'd have to look it up to be sure thou)) also
support PAE. So your assumption might be correct, but for the wrong reasons.

With metta, Chris
On Dec 22, 2011 1:24 PM, "Martin Olesen"  wrote:

> 2011/12/21 Yorvyk :
> > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:14:08 -0300
> > Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset  wrote:
> >
> >> First, don't kill me for bringing back this topic ;)
> >>
> >> Since Lubuntu is official, maybe the cause for dropping i586 is obsolete
> >> (if I remember right it was because none of the flavours could run in
> it,
> >> so there was no "market" there).
> >> Aditionally, there's the fact that LTS are the less demanding resource
> >> releases :) (experieced by me with 8.04 and 10.04)
> >> Maybe we could ask nicely, together with Xubuntu, that at least for the
> LTS
> >> *ubuntu could exist for i586...
> >> I doesn't sound completely crazy to me.
> >>
> > Is there any call for i586 kernel?  Has anybody complained of it's
> absence?  I would imagine there would have to be some numbers produced to
> justify it's inclusion.
> >
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> If I understand this correctly we are dealing with processors 12
> (twelve) years old or more having a clock frequency of less than 300
> MHz. Such a computer is hardly usable for any practical purpose.
>
> I'd say we (that is, the Buntu community in general) should forget
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

[Chris]

Hai Charlie (and the rest),

I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone
again.
@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and
mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called
Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are
suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to
use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme.
It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate
apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows
what the "correct" term is/should be.

I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help
on getting links to the meeting minutes).

With metta, Chris

[1] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[2] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html starting from
18:15

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Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00
Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
To: ubuntu-news 


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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500
Scott Kitterman  wrote:

> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative).  These are other
> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project.  I think it's
> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
> Ubuntu Server.
>
> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott K
>

I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when
referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect?

According to the definition:
derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative)

  1.   Imitative of the work of someone else.
   2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation
   or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to
   copyright restrictions.

Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a
derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another
work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption
from being a derivative.

Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

[Chris]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
branches are doing.
If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] libappmenu interferes with pcmanfm/libfm.

[Chris]

I assume that ubuntu_menuproxy is for the AppMenu (also known as
GlobalMenu?). If that is the case then *I* don't see any problems with it
disabled, as I don't think Lubuntu will get a globalmenu? But this is more
for the devs to decide.

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 05:16, PCMan  wrote:

> I'm not sure how it happens. While debugging some weird memory leaks of
> libfm, I found that it's caused by ubuntu menu proxy.
> Ubuntu app menu stuff injects a module into gtk so every gtk app will
> loads it. Then, it tries to export application menus via dbus.
> The implementation, however, has some unknown problems causing unnecessary
> references of objects inside our programs and this causes unresolved memory
> leaks.
> Doing export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY="" to turn off ubuntu menu proxy fixes all
> the problems.
> I'd suggest adding export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY="" in startlubuntu script since
> we don't need that and don't want the bugs brought by it.
> Further investigation is needed to see why it cause problems, but I don't
> have the time to do it.
> A test case is the demo program libfm-demo provided by libfm package. When
> menu proxy is active, libfm-demo never terminates and hangs on exit.
> Please turn menu proxy off for Lubuntu. Thanks.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu one - A suggestion.

[Chris]

Aren't we waiting for implementing Ubuntu One because of lacking plug-in
system.
That's what I'm remembering anyone.

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On Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM, "Yorvyk"  wrote:

> A suggestion from Peter.
>
> "Does anyone know what the plans are for Ubuntu One and Lubuntu? I would
> like to see a client that can sync only when executed for Lubuntu."
>
> Seems like a good idea to me but, not sure how hard it would be it
> implement.  Thoughts.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] power button

[Chris]

Then I think we should change the lubuntu-rc.xml instead of installing a
new app.
If the functionality is already is available, then that should be the way I
think.

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:46, Leszek Lesner  wrote:

> Am 28.11.2011 12:42, schrieb Chris:
> > Does it give that window for asking what action you want to perform?
>
> Thats exactly what it does
>
>
> > 2011/11/28 Gabriel Salles 
> >
> >> I don't know if it is the same thing, but after I install the Lubuntu,
> >> I go to the file ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and add these lines:
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> lubuntu-logout
> >> 
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Gabriel Salles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/11/28 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
> >>>
> >>> Some  users requested here:
> >>>
> >>> http://120linux.com/lubuntu-el-boton-de-encendido-no-funciona/
> >>>
> >>> the power button ability again, reinstalling acpid. Is it really
> >> removed? Does it have heavy dependencies?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] power button

[Chris]

Does it give that window for asking what action you want to perform?

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2011/11/28 Gabriel Salles 

> I don't know if it is the same thing, but after I install the Lubuntu,
> I go to the file ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and add these lines:
>
> 
> 
> lubuntu-logout
> 
> 
>
>
> Gabriel Salles
>
>
>
> 2011/11/28 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
> >
> > Some  users requested here:
> >
> > http://120linux.com/lubuntu-el-boton-de-encendido-no-funciona/
> >
> > the power button ability again, reinstalling acpid. Is it really
> removed? Does it have heavy dependencies?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How To Add Apps To Panel?

[Chris]

Aloha Swapnil,

I've done a quick search with google and ended on the official
lxde.orgwebsite. I've found this page [1] which is about the panel.
Apparently there is a section about the launchbar (Plugin ( type =
launchbar...etc). That is where you select which .desktop files you want to
show. I don't know if this is also true for Lubuntu (should be, but can't
check at the moment), but it should (as it's using lxde). I hope this
answers your question.

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[1] http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXPanel

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> Hi,
>
> I am working on the review and everything about Lubuntu is positive and
> very encouraging. However, I problem is that Unity/Gnome 3 has spoiled me.
> (I don't like Global Menu and that's the reason I use Gnome 3 shell and not
> Unity). Its very easy to open an app, just hit Superkey and start typing
> the name. Or you can drag and drop item to the Favourite bar or Launcher.
> Under Lubuntu I failed to do that. When I added one more panel on the top
> to put all the often needed apps I can't drag and drop apps to the panel or
> to the AWN.
>
> Any suggestions? Many users will like it.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] logo

[Chris]

Aloha b,

First of all, it's not a newsletter, it's a mailing-list. It's not only a
place for announcing the newest version of Lubuntu, it's a place for
discussion.

Secondly I agree with Raphael that the theme should be nigh prefect and
consistent everywhere. That is one selling point of a distribution.

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On Nov 17, 2011 8:54 PM, "b g"  wrote:

> This newsletter has become full of things that are minor or even
> inconsequential to most of us.
>
> 2011/11/17 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 
>
>> **
>> Of course I'm serious. My priorities, right now, are achieving a perfect
>> integration with Ubuntu in almost all aspects of Lubuntu identity,
>> including brand marks, colour specs, design lines, advertising (if any),
>> social networks presence, etc. Also, a good entrance, such as a good
>> website is, could do the downloading process more easy for end-users. In
>> case of Lubuntu Team, that's not me, is Canonical who adverted that we must
>> be close to them (you can check the design LInes published at
>> design.canonical.com).
>>
>> All of this makes TOO a good distro, not only the code. And I must be
>> clear about I'm not deprecating the coder's work, but you must admit that
>> design is always the last everybody think in for everything, and that's a
>> big mistake. Ok, an icon is a tiny thing, but I'm trying to make the
>> Lubuntu image rock solid and homogeneous for three years, with not too much
>> success, I must to say.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Weekly meetings - Finding the right time

[Chris]

Aloha Ali,

Seeing the Fridge [1] or better put it's calender [2] already has it's 7 PM
UTC slot filled did Julian suggest to take the 8 PM UTC (or GMT) slot. That
would make it 12AM for you Ali.
By the way, my vote is also for wednesday.

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[1] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[2] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 15:20, amjjawad HOOHAA  wrote:

>  I propose to begin with this schedule : Wednesday, 7:00 PM UTC, starting
>> on the 23th.
>>
>
> If that's 7:00pm GMT time, it means it's 11:00pm my time. My time is +4
> GMT. If that's the case, I'm ok with that. I don't care about the day, all
> are the same to me, just the time what is important.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> One thing I would like to organize for this cycle, is a weekly meeting on
>> IRC, to discuss topics more easily and to take decisions when it's needed.
>>
>> I think we have enough topics to start on a weekly base, but we can do it
>> less often in the future, if it's not necessary.
>>
>> Finding a time for this is ... not very easy :) I don't want to do it
>> during the week-end, to be all able to have a week-end far from IT and
>> Internet connection :)
>>
>> I also don't think we should change the time for every meetings, because
>> it's the best solution to forget the meeting. But, we can change it after
>> some time (like 3 months).
>>
>> I propose to begin with this schedule : Wednesday, 7:00 PM UTC, starting
>> on the 23th.
>>
>> It'll not be necessary to attempt all the meetings. You can attempt when
>> you have subjects to discuss, but you can also adding a subject to the
>> schedule, so people can discuss it even if you can't be online at this time.
>>
>> Let me know what you think about this.
>>
>> Regards,
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>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Weekly meetings - Finding the right time

[Chris]

If we want the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting (which is preferred I think) then
we should go an hour later. There is already a meeting every week from
"Unity Contributors Team Meeting". Check the Fridge to see which times are
still available for #ubuntu-meeting.

I think the time is pretty good, but that is for my time-zone.

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:18, mohi  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Benny Hult  wrote:
>
> > Are we going to use #lubuntu(-offtopic) or #ubuntu-meeting?
> >
>
> It will be better if we have it in #ubuntu-meeting.
>
> > Time is great for me, cycling it aint bad idea either when thinking
> > about people living on the other side of the planet, like asia or
> > western side of the america.
>
> It will be better if we decide about cycling time after seeing the
> members present for the meeting
>
> Julien Lavergne kirjoitti 14.11.2011 9:43:
> > Hi,
> > I think we have enough topics to start on a weekly base, but we can do
> > it less often in the future, if it's not necessary.
> >
>
> Exactly, we need topics atleast one day before the meeting so that
> each can come forward and out the opinions.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Maybe it should be a "bug"/feature for ubiquity? Just an idea.

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On Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM, "Michael Rawson"  wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500
> James King  wrote:
>
> > What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
> > to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't
> > matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each
> > continues to improve.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA 
> wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
> > > debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
> > > I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of
> all but
> > > we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
> voice
> > > IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
> mean,
> > > they should agree about that.
> > >
> > > EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
> Lubuntu
> > > as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's
> > > Steps.
> > > Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows
> what
> > > could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
> > > Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see
> how
> > > many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for
> my
> > > own information.
> > >
> > > I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot
> machine with
> > > many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
> default,
> > > not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
> > >
> > > I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not
> do
> > > some tests and send the report via mailing list?
> > >
> > > As many already mentioned, it's "apt-get install" and mission
> accomplished.
> > > IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium
> talk.
> > >
> > > I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to
> you:
> > >
> > > 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
> > > 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it
> to
> > > everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion
> and I
> > > could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't
> disrespect
> > > is my motto :)
> > >
> > > Cya
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
> > >> > Let's not think in terms of "This is what I would prefer" but rather
> > >> > "This
> > >> > is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer".
> > >> Isn't that the same ?
> > >> I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
> > >> I guess that is a low machine.
> > >> If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.
> > >>
> > >> > Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
> keep
> > >> > such
> > >> > personal opinions out of this discussion.
> > >>
> > >> If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
> > >> ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good
> user
> > >> experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by
> good
> > >> arguments.
> > >> And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
> > >> advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Google is dropping H264 support:
> > >> >
> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
> > >>
> > >> Google Chrome != Chromium
> > >>
> > >> > Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
> > >> > sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
> > >> > available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process
> so
> > >> > it's a bit harder 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Bonjour Jean-Pierre,

I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
>> machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 & 4 and 256
>> to 512 ram.
>
> It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions,
like see what the CPU usage and MEM consumption. The idea for now is just
shutting down all current processes of chromium-browser/firefox (or just
checking if it's already running or completely shutting down) and starting
a default set of tabs. That way the results should be comparable and
"doable" for every machine.

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P.S.: I still need to look into the performance test-suite of Tom's
Hardware what that does exactly.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Aloha Benny,

The command you are using isn't very accurate to only
chromium-browser/firefox. You'd need to run it twice (before and during the
test) to get a number on what chromium or ff is using.
Therefor using a method the pulls in these numbers automatically by process
id's or similar.

@Walter:

That kill -n command only kills the different processes or tabs in chromium
(haven't tested it on ff yet), but not the window itself. Maybe something
like killall chromium-browser will work, but we'd need to figure out if
that is necessary?

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 16:02, Benny Hult  wrote:

> Please use command 'free -m' to see RAM usage.
> The thing that interests you most is buffers/cache and
> used.Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset kirjoitti 8.11.2011 14:58:
> 2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA 
>
> Guys,
>
> I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows
> +100MB usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on?
> I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing
> something) and Conky as well. While each of System Monitor (GNOME APP)
> and Conky are showing the same memory usage, LXTask add 100MB to that.
> Example: System Monitor + Conky shows 287MB while Firefox Loaded with
> two tabs. On the other hand, LXTask shows 387MB.
>
> Any idea?
>
>
> I have similar issue when lubuntu is installed alongside with ubuntu :/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the
script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective
vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system)
doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail.

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 20:41, Yorvyk  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:45 -0500
> Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
>
> > Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An
> > easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new
> > account.
> >
> Also need to ensure everybody is using the same, and latest, versions of
> the browsers.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a
"log" file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and
are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but
I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together.

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 19:44, Ali Linx  wrote:

> Just a question.
> Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go
> for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from
> there?
>
> I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and
> then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are
> up-to-date then start some tests.
> We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles 
> wrote:
>
>> *"Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?"
>> *
>>
>>
>> To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot,
>> open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of
>> CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using.
>> Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox.
>>
>> This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the
>> final version of 11.10.
>>
>>
>> Gabriel Salles
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Are those benchmarks from Tom's Hardware documented at all? Maybe we could
"rebuild" those benchmarks for linux? When they are run on a low-spec
machine then the results should be the same on other machines. User tests
should be done to verify the results aren't just laboratory results.

I might be interested to builds those benchmarks systems, but would need
help with making them.

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On Nov 6, 2011 8:45 AM, "Jonathan Marsden"  wrote:

> On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
> > So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if
> > the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.
>
>
> Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under
> Windows and OS X.  The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent
> test is at:
>
>  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html
>
> If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
> on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.
>
> Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run
> some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under
> Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

[Chris]

Ali,

It's been mentioned that the new FF7 is lightweight again, that's why it's
been brought up. Personally I don't like FF, so personally I'd vote
Chromium. But if with benchmarks/user tests it's proven that FF is the
better one, than we should consider switching.

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On Nov 5, 2011 9:41 PM, "Ali Linx"  wrote:

> Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want.
>
> Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them
> at the same time (FF and Chromium).
> Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all,
> Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so please keep it as it's :)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:47 PM, A. Andjelkovic wrote:
>
>> I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
>> in 12.04.
>> I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
>> worth looking into.
>>
>> Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
>> trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
>> I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
>> some benchmarks in the near future.
>> However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
>> having several tabs open (more than 3).
>>
>> Other reasons to switch:
>> GTK3
>> Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
>> include as default)
>>
>> What do you guys think?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I can use Lubuntu for remaster?

[Chris]

As far as I know is everyone free to alter and redistribute any given
distribution when all the proper people/teams are thanked. You can read all
about it in the GPL(v3?) licence supplied with the installation disk. It
should also be readable somewhere in the system, but I don't know where
that can be found.

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 17:56, jt  wrote:

> Hello for everyone team members of Lubuntu Launchpad channel.
> Im a developer of a little project called FlavituLinux.
>
> I have a question i think in Lubuntu to remaster for my next release.
>
> I can use Lubuntu base to remaster or no?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] - Lubuntu 12.04 on Ubuntu Forum - Suggestions

[Chris]

Hello A.J.,

In the history you can find who removed your content. If it was phillw or
someone else well regarded from the team, then it wasn't confirm how we
roll.

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On Oct 31, 2011 6:00 PM, "Ali Linx"  wrote:

>
> Glad to know that ;)
>
> Consider it done :D
>
> By the way, I'm going to update our Wiki because there are many things I'd
> like to add. I've been working so hard lately on many guides/howtos and
> threads. I'd like to include that on our Wiki but the last time I added
> something, someone has removed it. Hope it will remain this time and no one
> remove it.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> Thanks :) There is already valuable feedbacks :)
>> Could you please add the 2 blueprints to the thread, so people will have
>> of the information to participate ?
>>
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations
>>
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:02:13 +0400
>> Ali Linx  wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone :)
>> >
>> > As always, here is another thread on Ubuntu Forum:
>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
>> >
>> > I didn't put my ideas yet but I'll do that very soon, hopefully.
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] www.lxde.org is down!

[Chris]

Hi James (and the rest),

At the time of the error I was already using OpenDNS and it wasn't able to
find lxde.org at that time. However, today I does again.

With metta, Chris

P.S.: Love OpenDNS as well for speed and reliability, I would recommend it
to others any day of the week.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 05:38, James King  wrote:

> When you get a DNS server failure, check to see that popular websites like
> Google.com and Yahoo.com load. If they don't load either, then the problem
> is probably on your end.
>
> You can always experiment by changing your Primary and Secondary DNS from
> "automatic" to either Google's DNS (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) or OpenDNS
> (208.67.220.220,208.67.222.222) and seeing if they work.
>
> I use OpenDNS and am very happy with the speed and reliability of it. It's
> free. (Google is free, too.)
>
> James King
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Ali Linx  wrote:
>
>> Yes. Looks like the server is up and running.
>> I have NO idea what was wrong?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Yao Wei (魏銘廷)  wrote:
>>
>>> I can access to the website now. Could you confirm?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Ali Linx  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Network Error (dns_server_failure)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fix horrible icons in guvcview

[Chris]

Aloha Stefano,

To my knowledge only the compiler for python and genie care about
indentation. In C and other languages the indentation is only for
readability, but someone else has to review the code because I'm no
programmer.

With metta, Chris
On Oct 23, 2011 10:41 AM, "Stefano"  wrote:

> Hi, i've just fixed the horrible icons in guvcview, using gtk-themed
> images. you can find the patch in
> lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/guvcview-fix-pixmaps
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen Smally
>
> P.S. i don't know if is well fixed, since is C and i don't knoe C really
> well, also i've used 4 spaces instead tab, but as dar as i know the c
> compiler doesn't care of space identation
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap for Lubuntu 12.04

[Chris]

Done and done. Good luck with both sessions!

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 00:28, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

>  Le 10/17/2011 11:34 PM, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
>
> Personally, I have 3 topics in mind, and I started to write some notes
> about them on a wiki page :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan
>
>  I registered 2 blueprints for discussion at the UDS, be sure to subscribe
> them to follow progress on them :
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Rename LSC?

[Chris]

I didn't know the exact inner-workings of LSC, but with this explanation
also a +1 from me.

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 00:57, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> As ever, Julien, you give wise council. Again, as ever, you are minded the
> same as myself so your proposal gets a +1 from me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
>>  Le 10/17/2011 06:52 PM, Glenn de Groot a écrit :
>>
>> I think that if we rename Lubuntu Software Center to LXDE Software Center
>> or maybe something catchy, other distros and developers will join.
>>
>> LSC is still very tied to Ubuntu, using apt-daemon and app-install
>> directory, which are Ubuntu specific.
>> When LSC will migrate to AppStream project [1], maybe we can rename it.
>> But for now, this will cause more trouble than good things.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
>> [1] http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Rename LSC?

[Chris]

A more ambiguous name will make it more adaptable for others. Something like
Lightweight Software Center is indicative of it's nature without tying
it unnecessarily to Lubuntu or LXDE for that matter. But that is just my 2c.

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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 22:31,  wrote:

> I'm not a dev, but this sounds like a good idea and it embraces the spirit
> of open source programming.
>
> Tim
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Install only Lubuntu-desktop

[Chris]

Aloha Rob,

Of course you can install lubuntu-control-center if that is the name known
in the repositories. You seem to have a lot of small questions, maybe it is
best if you drop by on the IRC channel. How to get on the right channel and
with what kind of programs can be found here [1].

With metta,

Chris

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs#IRC

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:17,  wrote:

>
>
> Hi
>
> I would like to install only Lubuntu-control-center, it possible?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>
> To: 
> >
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:25 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Install only Lubuntu-desktop
>
>
>  Aloha Rob,
>>
>> Which programs are you talking about? lubuntu-desktop *will* installed the
>> programs marked as required/dependent. As far as I've heard from the
>> head-dev is that there is also a lubuntu-core meta-package, which only
>> installs lxde and a terminal if I remember correctly. I hope that answers
>> your questions.
>>
>> With metta,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 16:11, 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: "Chris" 
>>> To:
>>> http://yahoo.it>>> *elettro...@yahoo.it >
>>> >
>>> Cc:
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>>> >
>>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Install only Lubuntu-desktop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Aloha mailboxes2002 (couldn't find your name anywhere =) ),
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What didn't function after those commands? Did you get any errors? Was
>>>> it
>>>> preformed on a "normal" desktop installation of Lucid?
>>>>
>>>> With metta,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> I try install Lucid with mini.iso. Finished install, with command line,
>>> try
>>> apt-get, bla bla bla,
>>> instruction below, but don't install only lubuntu-desktop, but also all
>>> programs.
>>>
>>> Why? :-)
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I try install only Lubuntu desktop, but not apps/program with Abiword,
>>>>> client mail and other program, on Lucid10.04.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try with apt-get:
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
>>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>>> sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
>>>>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>>>> sudo apt-get autoclean
>>>>> cd /var/cache/apt/archives
>>>>>
>>>>> but don't function
>>>>>
>>>>> What is?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback after Lubuntu live test

[Chris]

Aloha Theodor,

Did you try Jean-Pierre's solution? Typing lxdm should do the trick
apparently. If it doesn't then I don't know anything else and hope the
better knowledgeable people will help you further.

With metta,

Chris

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 19:25, Theodor Zoller wrote:

> Dear Chris,
>
> thank you for your answer. I tryed it again and typed in the comand but
> nothing happened.
> I'm using Lubuntu 11.04. I got it just an view days ago from your
> homapage. So in my opinion I'm using the latest version. The only
> information I got ist: 11.04 kernel 2.6.38-8generic. If you need some
> other information, you've got to tell me the command to find them out.
>
> Theodor
>
>
> Am Freitag, den 15.07.2011, 11:37 +0200 schrieb Chris:
> > Aloha Theodor,
> >
> >
> > Which version did you try, alpha 1 of Oneiric? It has a known issue
> > with that and you only need to command "startlubuntu" if I'm not
> > mistaken.
> > Irregardless if my solution worked, we'd like to know which version it
> > was. That way the devs can better track the error. And if my solution
> > worked, than also mention it in your reply.
> >
> >
> > With metta,
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 22:44, Theodor Zoller
> >  wrote:
> > Dear LubuntuTeamers,
> >
> > today I want to offer You an short Feedback about my Test of
> > Lubuntu.
> > Unfortunately I have no sucsess in running the Live-CD on my
> > ThinkPad
> > Z61p and on my desktop. I always reached an commandline and
> > wasn able to
> > start X to reach the GUI. An selftest on the cd says thant
> > everything is
> > ok. Sorry, but I haven't got better news for you. But thank
> > you for
> > building Lubuntu!
> >
> > newbe
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wine 1.3 and other apps installed not showing up in menu

[Chris]

Maybe the others apps you've installed will appear when you log out + in.
Just a suggestion.

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Chris

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:35, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
wrote:

> For Wine at least, try this two things:
> - Open a .exe file with wine, Wine will configure itself and after that the
> submenu "Wine" should be there
> - If not, log out + lon in and the trick should be done
>
> 2011/7/16 Lee Gold 
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Using Lubuntu 11.04. Installed Wine 1.3 and it does not show up in the
>> menu. Also installed Xfce Clipman and it does not show up too. What is
>> the fix? Some installs (via Synaptic) show and some don't.
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Install only Lubuntu-desktop

[Chris]

Aloha mailboxes2002 (couldn't find your name anywhere =) ),

What didn't function after those commands? Did you get any errors? Was it
preformed on a "normal" desktop installation of Lucid?

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 21:21,  wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> I try install only Lubuntu desktop, but not apps/program with Abiword,
> client mail and other program, on Lucid10.04.
>
> I try with apt-get:
>
> sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
> sudo apt-get autoclean
> cd /var/cache/apt/archives
>
> but don't function
>
> What is?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback after Lubuntu live test

[Chris]

Aloha Theodor,

Which version did you try, alpha 1 of Oneiric? It has a known issue with
that and you only need to command "startlubuntu" if I'm not mistaken.
Irregardless if my solution worked, we'd like to know which version it was.
That way the devs can better track the error. And if my solution worked,
than also mention it in your reply.

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Chris

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 22:44, Theodor Zoller wrote:

> Dear LubuntuTeamers,
>
> today I want to offer You an short Feedback about my Test of Lubuntu.
> Unfortunately I have no sucsess in running the Live-CD on my ThinkPad
> Z61p and on my desktop. I always reached an commandline and wasn able to
> start X to reach the GUI. An selftest on the cd says thant everything is
> ok. Sorry, but I haven't got better news for you. But thank you for
> building Lubuntu!
>
> newbe
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Notification Daemon

[Chris]

Aloha Lee,

I think it should be configurable per app. And maybe the notify-osd (if I
remember correctly) is more to your liking. Afaik it doesn't tell you when a
file is downloaded. Other then that I can't help.

With metta,

Chris
On Jul 15, 2011 1:06 AM, "Lee Gold"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The notification daemon was telling me I was connected and telling me a
> file downloaded. Really annoying and I uninstalled it. This is why I
> want to use Lubuntu - so I can get away from unnecessary fluff that
> disturbs my work flow. But I noticed that the Gnome power manager
> depends on the notifications. I do want to know if my battery runs low
> though.
>
> I suggest a unique Lubuntu GUI that can give the user control over these
> notifications.
>
> I don't want things to be so dumbed-down that I need a popup to tell me
> I'm connected or a file downloaded...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lee G.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ozone

[Chris]

Aloha Rafael,

I've talked to charlie-tca and the current theme is already pretty
accessible, only side note was the contrast in the lettering in the window
border (window title). But other than that it's already good.

With metta,

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2011/7/2 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> **
> More updated things. Sorry, GTK3 is still in development (well, GTK2 too),
> so there's no download available. I need to tell you that making the GTK2 to
> GTK3 upgrade is a hell. A strange "fight" between GTK2 and GTK3 breaks the
> system making ugly pink fluorescent frames around controls everywhere.
> Things to do (among others):
>
>
>- finish GTK2 theme
>- finish GTK3 theme
>- complete wallpapers pack (8 resolutions)
>- retouching icons (maybe some new)
>- retouching panel and button
>- making a matching Chromium theme (I need help with this)
>- making an accessibility theme (I absolutely haven't any time to do
>this this, maybe you, Chris Druif?)
>- bits and pieces almost invisible (theme performance, sharp edges and
>colour optimization)
>- drink some beer [image: :D]
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Oneiric/Ozone
>
> Thank you for your feedback, boys and grils.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ozone2 updates

[Chris]

>From your previews I would say wallpaper_bubbles and panel_light +1

With metta, Chris

2011/6/30 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> **
> I'd like to finish Ozone2 before Oneiric release. But you can always
> download "piece by piece" as they get polished. I'll keep you informed about
> changes and additions.
>
> Remember that Ozone still lacks a GTK3 theme and (maybe) a dedicated icon
> theme (a slight variation from elementary, don't panic, just two or three
> single icons to make it "different").
>
> PS. Does anybody know if we're going to include GTK2 apps?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Hmm, does any of this affect us?

[Chris]

Aloha oukou,

With a small check with Google it seems Kubuntu never had Synaptic (or has
at least replaced it with something similar, namely Adept) installed. I
don't think it will be a problem to ship Lubuntu Synaptic by default. Ubuntu
Software Center is available from the repositories when a user requires it.
I think we should keep Synaptic the default, seeing we want a "lightweight"
distro in contrary to the "middleweight" Ubuntu.

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 15:27, Todd Carnes  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:21:39 +0100
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeremy,
> >
> > And the RAM / CPU Usage for USC on a minimal spec Lubuntu machine is
> Is
> > kinda what I'm asking :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
>
> It runs painfully slow on my little netbook... when it runs at all.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LightDM Vs LXDM

[Chris]

Aloha Matthew and the rest,

I don't run the alpha (or any Lubuntu for that matter) but the switch to
LightDM is more than showing the user list. At least for Gnome it means
there won't be a second session running and for us it'll mean we've got
loads more support for it. That are my 2c at this time of day. And about
that not seeing it in the list of session; LightDM or LXDM is the session
chooser.

with metta,

Chris Druif

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 16:00, Matthew Young
wrote:

> I don't know much about LightDM, but I don't see it in the list of
> sessions. I have only seen changes in the login screen.
>
> Is that all LightDM is?
>
> I think it is good that LightDM lists the users, but is that enough to make
> the switch worth it?
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 19:16 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
>> >
>> > Having thought about this it is probably best to go with LightDM if
>> > the rest of Ubuntu is going that way.  There should be plenty of
>> > support for it and we'll be less isolated.
>>
>> I'm still uncertain about this. I still don't want to spend too much
>> time on maintaining a display manager. Having other people doing the job
>> is quite confortable :)
>> The fact that it's working now, doesn't mean it will work in the futur.
>> The display manager is a complex piece of software, with connexions with
>> many others parts, which need a lot of testing. Sharing this will be a
>> advantage.
>> But yes, it's also confortable to just keep LXDM, and hope it will be ok
>> for this cycle.
>>
>> I propose to switch to LightDM for the next alphas, but to confirm the
>> choice before the Beta 1. If we realize it's too much work, we can still
>> go back to LXDM.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin - possible problem with 11-10 a1

[Chris]

Might be another reason to switch to Empathy, as it get supported not only
by Ubuntu, but also Gnome. Both Pidgin and LXDE don't have that kind of
support-base. Just my 2c of course.

With metta, Chris Druif

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 00:11, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi and thanks,
>
> From what you are saying the poor tormented devs need to have a further
> look into this.
>
> Sorry guys, but it does appear to be a 'bug', as to if it is Network
> Manager or Pidgin, you good people need to find out.
>
> If there is anything i can do to assist on tracking it down, please ask.
>
> regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
>
>> On 20 June 2011 15:05, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>> > After a clean install of lubuntu 11-10 a1, pidgin is quite happy.
>> However,
>> > after a reboot it fails to connect.
>> > 1) browsing still works (Chromium and FFox)
>> > 2) x-chat still works
>>
>> NetworkManager 0.9 changed its API and the version of Pidgin in the
>> Ubuntu repositories hasn't been updated for this change yet. Pidgin
>> checks for network connectivity and does not get the expected response
>> from NetworkManager.
>>
>> The NetworkManager update was mentioned in the Ubuntu alpha release
>> notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1
>>
>> Jeremy
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

[Chris]

Aloha Julien,

You forgotten my suggestion to switch to Empathy, or I forgot what the
conclusion of the discussion was about that. There was also the discussion
about a unity interface, and my remark about that was that I would like
support for quicklists if that is even possible at all. And you know my
feelings regarding xchat (more stable protocol implemented vs that of
pidgin)

I'm not available for a meeting this weekend, so keep it on the list I would
say.

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Chris Druif
On Jun 17, 2011 12:32 AM, "Julien Lavergne"  wrote:
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Chris]

Aloha oukou,


> >> Last official release is 2010-10-14 ...
>
> Which is both fairly old, and also "bad timing" regarding Ubuntu
> releases, being only about two weeks before the Ubuntu 10.10 final release.
>

That was 4 days AFTER the Ubuntu 10.10 release. But if you want to get
something in L/Ubuntu, you have to keep in mind the Feature Freeze [1] this
cycle set on August 11th.

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[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

[Chris]

Aloha oukou,

I've read all the other mails as well, but wanted to reply to this one. Is
there an easy way to update/translate sections? I might be able to help in
nl and on a side note; which language is the base as no language is 100%
translated?

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Chris Druif

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:51, Martin Bagge / brother wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:
>
>> Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things
>> are ok, I propose a new release.
>>
>
> PO files at Pootle (and in git ofc) are updated; these are the stats:
>
> LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
> af  0   0   159 0,0%
> am  0   0   159 0,0%
> ar  30  3   126 18,9%
> be  144 6   9   90,6%
> bg  150 3   6   94,3%
> bn  144 6   9   90,6%
> bn_IN   0   0   159 0,0%
> bs  0   0   159 0,0%
> ca  137 13  9   86,2%
> cs  148 5   6   93,1%
> da  148 5   6   93,1%
> de  148 5   6   93,1%
> el  150 3   6   94,3%
> en_GB   150 3   6   94,3%
> es  150 3   6   94,3%
> es_VE   0   0   159 0,0%
> et  0   0   159 0,0%
> eu  0   0   159 0,0%
> fa  148 5   6   93,1%
> fi  149 3   7   93,7%
> fo  144 6   9   90,6%
> fr  150 3   6   94,3%
> gl  151 5   3   95,0%
> he  151 5   3   95,0%
> hr  122 2   35  76,7%
> hu  148 5   6   93,1%
> id  146 6   7   91,8%
> it  150 3   6   94,3%
> ja  148 5   6   93,1%
> jv  0   0   159 0,0%
> kk  0   0   159 0,0%
> km  47  5   107 29,6%
> ko  0   0   159 0,0%
> lg  150 3   6   94,3%
> li  0   0   159 0,0%
> lt  150 3   6   94,3%
> lv  146 5   8   91,8%
> ml  0   0   159 0,0%
> ms  0   0   159 0,0%
> nb  0   0   159 0,0%
> nl  150 3   6   94,3%
> nn  0   0   159 0,0%
> pa  141 5   13  88,7%
> pl  150 3   6   94,3%
> ps  0   0   159 0,0%
> pt  150 3   6   94,3%
> pt_BR   152 3   4   95,6%
> ro  0   0   159 0,0%
> ru  150 3   6   94,3%
> si  40  0   119 25,2%
> sk  145 8   6   91,2%
> sl  150 3   6   94,3%
> sr  148 5   6   93,1%
> sr@latin148 5   6   93,1%
> sv  151 5   3   95,0%
> te  150 3   6   94,3%
> th  0   0   159 0,0%
> tr  150 3   6   94,3%
> uk  150 3   6   94,3%
> ur  0   0   159 0,0%
> ur_PK   0   0   159 0,0%
> vi  150 3   6   94,3%
> zh_CN   150 3   6   94,3%
> zh_TW   137 5   17  86,2%
>
>
>
> you probably ant to check libfm also:
> LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
> af  0   0   184 0,0%
> am  0   0   184 0,0%
> ar  19  0   165 10,3%
> be  135 3   46  73,4%
> bg  179 1   4   97,3%
> bn  130 4   50  70,7%
> bn_IN   0   0   184 0,0%
> bs  0   0   184 0,0%
> ca  130 4   50  70,7%
> cs  179 1   4   97,3%
> da  179 1   4   97,3%
> de  163 17  4   88,6%
> el  179 1   4   97,3%
> en_GB   179 1   4   97,3%
> es  179 1   4   97,3%
> es_VE   0   129 55  0,0%
> et  0   0   184 0,0%
> eu  0   0   184 0,0%
> fa  179 1   4   97,3%
> fi  176 2   6   95,7%
> fo  178 1   5   96,7%
> fr  179 1   4   97,3%
> gl  181 0   3   98,4%
> he  179 1   4   97,3%
> hr  162 1   21  88,0%
> hu  179 1   4   97,3%
> id  135 3   46  73,4%
> it  179 1   4   97,3%
> ja  179 1   4   97,3%
> jv  0   0   184 0,0%
> kk  0   0   184 0,0%
> km  0   0   184 0,0%
> ko  0   0   184 0,0%
> lg  179 1   4   97,3%
> lt  179 2   3   97,3%
> ml  0

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDM or Lightdm ?

[Chris]

Aloha oukou,

I agree with what Julian said about LightDM, on all mentioned
(dis)advantages. But the advantages should outweigh the disadvantages, as
Ubuntu and Xubuntu even have way more devs hanging around then Lubuntu.
Every error or bug we encounter we can put on launchpad and hopefully will
get sorted by one of the others. When we've got time to spare, we could
solve it ourselves of course and send our patch as solution.

So to recap, I'm pro on the switch.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 03:33, Ian Gilfillan wrote:

> Julien, just to clarify, LightDM uses 3.2Mb and LXDM 2.3 and not the other
> way around? This seems a trivial difference.
>
> You've mentioned before that support is important for a DM as it needs to
> be tested across many different configurations. LightDM seems far more
> active than LXDM, and in spite of being newer you say it's already more
> complete.
>
> I'd say go for the change - if there is a showstopper, or one gets
> introduced later, it should be relatively easy to revert. Also, if
> maintenance is being shared with Ubuntu (as opposed to being done by them),
> it should be possible to stop any issues being introduced that will
> negatively affect Lubuntu.
>
> The main risk seems to be one of bloat as LightDM gets more heavily
> developed, but LightDM was launched with the purpose of supporting LXDE
> (although not exclusively, like LXDM), so I'd feel confident about
> switching.
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On 09/06/2011 00:26, Yorvyk wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:39:42 +0200
>> Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm a bit late for that, but it still time to discuss such topic.
>>>
>>> LightDM [1] will be the next display manager for Ubuntu, and probably
>>> Xubuntu (maybe Kubuntu also !). It will replace GDM which have a tight
>>> dependency on GNOME.
>>>
>>> LightDM has the advantage to split the greeter (the UI part) and the
>>> core (which do all the black magic for users, consolkit etc ...). You
>>> can build a greeter which use GTK only, Qt, Webkit etc ... It's also
>>> heavily developed this cycle.
>>>
>>> Last cycle I tested LightDM, but found that it was not ready. Also, LXDM
>>> is now in a good shape. I tested it briefly on Oneiric, and it seems in
>>> better shape now, and with RAM usage similar to LXDM (3.2 vs 2.3 Mb)
>>>
>>> To summarize :
>>>
>>> Advantages:
>>> * More complete than LXDM
>>> * Maintenance shared with Ubuntu and Xubuntu
>>> * Heavily developed
>>>
>>> Disadvantages :
>>> * New and less tested in Lubuntu than LXDM
>>> * Dependant to Ubuntu team for changes : we are not free to modify the
>>> DM, and it's possible that Ubuntu team introduce a change which
>>> indirectly impact others flavors (remember Ubiquity changes for disk
>>> requierement last cycle)
>>>
>>> IMO, if items I mentioned at the UDS are managed by LightDM [2], we can
>>> try to switch for this cycle. If later in the cycle we discover that
>>> there are problems, we can still switch again to LXDM.
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien Lavergne
>>>
>>> [1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
>>> [2] : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-lightdm
>>>
>>>
>>>  I've been running Ubuntu Oneiric with lightdm for a while and it appears
>> to behave it's self OK.
>> Having had a bit of a read about it I don't see an advantage in either,
>> from a user's point of view, and I'm a bit lost with the technical
>> (dis)advantages.
>> A few thoughts.  With the change to GTK3 and the potential problems to be
>> resolved with that, are we adding another headache for the few competent
>> devs we have.
>> Or would having Lightdm give us one less problem, as others in the Ubuntu
>> community would be dealing with it and we wouldn't have to worry about lxdm
>> either.
>> Would sticking with what we know be better as lxdm doesn't have any real
>> problems and performs the function for which it is intended.
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

[Chris]

Thanks for all the replies in gedit. I've currently got no machine to test
these things, that's why it was only a proposal. I'll install it myself when
I need to use it.

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On Jun 8, 2011 8:03 PM, "Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset" 
wrote:
> Gedit -1, way too slow on my old machines. (P3 and below)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

[Chris]

Aloha oukou,

I've got one suggestion for replacement, which is to replace leafpad with
gedit. Note bloated in any way and handy syntax highlighting to boon.

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 01:13, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hiyas Boss,
>
> Me thinks now would be a good time to decide these items. Setting up a
> vote, followed by a meeting may be a good idea?
>
> We have
>
>- June 14th : End of proposal for applications by default
>
> Followed by
>
>
>- June 19th : Decision for the modifications of default applications
>
> @ ALL
>
> Yes, I know everyone who proposes their favourite application that is not
> installed by default feels sore, hopefully in Lubuntu we are not that petty
> as to leave because of it.
>
> Any application can be added from the repositories, some of the 'weird'
> stuff people do to Lubuntu is a testament to just how rock solid it is.
>
> The old, and so far, not replaced rule is that a proposed application may
> not...
>
> 1) Use any hard disk space up
> 2) Use any CPU time when running
> 3) Use any RAM when running.
>
> Whilst we may laugh at such rules, they are what make Lubuntu able to do
> what it does on our minimal spec. For those with lots of Hard Disk space and
> RAM and really high CPU's - Great. Lubuntu is lean, mean, keen and green.
> BUT we are going to remain within our "Pentium II or Celeron system with
> 128 MiB of RAM"
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> "I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and
>> polished.
>>
>> "Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of
>> hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM."
>>
>> Indeed, let's remain focused on keeping Lubuntu light. We also need to
>> consider how many changes are already in the works ;^)
>>
>> I doubt the change to GTK+ 3 will be without numerous challenges, as will
>> be transition to becoming a full-fledged Ubuntu release. No easy time for
>> the limited number of devs.
>>
>> But, regarding software in particular this may come into play, from the
>> ToDo (more than bite size) list:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO
>>
>> "Software-center : Work on a new minimal interface to see if it's possible
>> to switch to SC: TODO "
>>
>> It may be possible that an appropriate version of SC could solve most of
>> these problems. Maybe we could install even less and then let people decide
>> what fits their needs and hardware best.
>>
>> But ATM we need to give the devs room to adjust to the changes at hand.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 6/7/11, Yorvyk * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Yorvyk 
>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
>> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>> Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:19 PM
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:28 -0400
>> Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 
>> http://mc/compose?to=jpx...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >From a very-humble user point of view:
>> >
>> > I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read
>> > recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the
>> problem
>> > is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for
>> writer
>> > and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option?
>> It
>> > could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but
>> my
>> > guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword & gnumeric for the
>> concept.
>> > Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said,
>> it's
>> > not stable at all .
>> Try running Libre/open Office on a 160 MIB, 300MHz machine and I think
>> you'll find it just becomes unpleasant.  Abiword does everything I need of a
>> word processor, and I install it on Ubuntu as Libre/Open Office is just
>> cumbersome.
>> As somebody who has had to sit through endless 'slide show' presentations
>> I believe it may be one of the worst uses for a computer ever.
>> I have Midori on one machine and keep trying it. It seems to take two
>> steps forward then one back.  It has a way to go before it is a real
>> alternative to FF or Chromium, sadly.
>>
>> > Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not "cool"
>> at
>> > all. Everybody i've shown this says something like

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

[Chris]

Aloha Lance

Better a annoying tester then none. Welcome to the team.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 23:52, Lance  wrote:

> Indeed, you're right. Using "sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm restart" does complete
> the live CD boot process and lands me in a true Lubuntu DE instead of that
> LXDE. And the buttons are there in the Lubuntu DE so it's all somehow
> related to the Live CD not completing the boot process on it's own.
>
> No worries. Since you have a whole new build process in the works I look
> forward to helping you test. Sorry to be a nuisance.
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 6/5/11, Julien Lavergne * wrote:
>
>
> From: Julien Lavergne 
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
> To: "Lance" 
> Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" 
> Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 3:48 PM
>
>
> Le Sunday 05 June 2011 à 13:14 -0700, Lance a écrit :
> > Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a
> > screenshot here:
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850
>
> I think it's because you use startx. LXDM do some black magic to enable
> features that startx probably doesn't (consolkit here). I suspect it's
> because you don't have some commands.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Help pages

[Chris]

Maybe a suggestion is to let the Wiki FG of UBT help with the move?
On Jun 5, 2011 3:01 PM, "Julien Lavergne"  wrote:
> Hi Phill,
>
> Le Saturday 04 June 2011 à 02:32 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
>> As we progress towards 11.10, the two 'help areas' for documentation
>> are becoming impossible to keep in synch. I know you did ask if we
>> could manually divert every single page from
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp to
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu and initially I thought that
>> it was not a major undertaking. I was wrong.
>>
>> I'd rather we take a slight hit with a general divert from the
>> DocumentationHelp go straight to the 'new' area, sooner rather than
>> later. There will be a notification on the old area, I need to check
>> if setting up a 'section' divert is possible. Regardless of that, we
>> need to have the docs on the community section and off the lubuntu dev
>> section.
>
> Thanks for the summarize. If you can't do a per section divert, we will
> have to do per page divert. Am I right ?
>
> I think we need to move as soon as possible to the new section. Having 2
> places for documentation is a bad situation.
>
> If you need help to modify each page, please list all the pages
> somewhere, so we can organize the move as soon as possible. I can spend
> some time to help on this if it's needed, I think it's important to
> finish it quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Help pages

[Chris]

You are probably forgetting about direct redirect, not to the general area,
when a duplicate page is on the new area.

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On Jun 4, 2011 3:59 AM, "Jonathan Marsden"  wrote:
> On 06/03/2011 06:32 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> I know you did ask if we could manually divert every single page from
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp to
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu and initially I thought that
>> it was not a major undertaking. I was wrong.
>
> Can't that be scripted? If I remember rightly, a divert is just a magic
> text string at the top of each page. So a bulk edit of all those pages
> should do it. What I am I forgetting?
>
> Jonathan
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

[Chris]

Hello Lance,

I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart
buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in
creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just
pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the
installer (bug 3)?

Welcome to the crew by the way.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

>  hiyas kansasnoob,
>
> firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I
> used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik,
> just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has
> been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we
> include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break.
> Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000
> dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by
> 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building
> system. This should be done for a2.
>
> The general page for 11.10 is at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers
>
> Progress on the apport hooks can be found at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO
>
> If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast
> of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to
> your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!)
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to
> get the lubuntu discussions.
>
> Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what
> better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing
> area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes.
>
> Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you
> great people again.
> For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know
> where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we
> need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle
> (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ).
> Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but
> realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough
> devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting
> coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like
> this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our
> devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great
> :P
>
> My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers,
>
> Phill.
> P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D
> @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct
> me.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>>  First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at
>> iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob"
>> at Ubuntu forums.
>>
>> I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of
>> the Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's
>> images are included in Ubuntu's iso-testing.
>>
>> Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here:
>>
>> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/
>>
>> And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this
>> early in a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported.
>> The specific bugs are:
>>
>> 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type *startx
>> * to get the DE.
>>
>> 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons.
>>
>> 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or keep
>> using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected as
>> expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed the tray
>> and hit enter, but nothing happened. I tried some common key combos but
>> finally had to use the reset button on my box to complete the restart.
>>
>> Of course none of these are serious or unexpected this early in a dev
>> cycle, but I wanted to get my feet wet checking out bug filing against
>> Lubuntu anyway, and I'm a bit puzzled.
>>
>> I'm used to iso-testing pure Ubuntu so all of the above bugs would be
>> filed against 'casper' but I know these bugs were not present when I tested
>> U

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Accessibility

[Chris]

Aloha ka po'e apau,

I don't "know" how much Gnome Orco would pull into Lubuntu, but at least
it's GTK based afaik. Otherwise that python-espeak might be something
indeed.
I personally think that taking in compiz (even the 2d version) would make
Lubuntu to bloated for low-level hardware (as apt-xapian-index was even too
much according to some).
As far as dasher, we should let someone with low-level hardware (like
Julien) test to see how it fares, but same could be said about compiz 2d.
For the mouse-tweaks I've got no suggestions. I could probably look into the
high-low contrast theme from Xubuntu to see if it would be easy to convert
them to Lubuntu. GTK3 style of course. (No experience with GTK3 themes,
especially when in OpenBox)

I'll read the full log later. But these were my 2c.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 00:57, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hiyas mate,
>
> (If I can still call you that).
>
> Seems to have been getting a bit frustrating. I'm sorry I've not been
> around too much owing to that database recovery, which finally seems to be
> going ok.
>
> I've had a good chat with charles tonight, with their TL down for hospital
> stuff - that team is also suffering a bit.
>
> The 'urgent' as asked for is:
>
> (22:46:48) phillw: All we need, and it is really important, is that
> accessibilty tell us what is "urgent for basic accessibillity ", what is
> "medium term" and what would "be really nice to have".
> (22:46:52) charlie-tca: but as to priorities, how do we set them? Take the
> list pia created, decide what the team is able to add for Oneiric, label the
> rest as O + 1. If Lubuntu can use compiz, users can add the magnifier
> plugin.
> (22:47:06) charlie-tca: If not, try to find a screen magnifier that works
> with it.
> (22:47:16) charlie-tca: okay
> *(22:47:57) charlie-tca: Urgent: Screen-reader, magnifier, on-screen
> keyboard, mouse/switch dwelling settings (mousetweaks) for non-keyboard
> users*
> (22:48:06) phillw: lubuntu has shown itself to be quite capable of taking,
> certainly compiz 2D in. but we do not Unity.
> (22:48:14) charlie-tca: Is all that possible for Oneiric?
> (22:48:49) phillw: Having now the list - i can at least ask!
> (22:48:53) charlie-tca: espeak is a text based screen reader, we need a
> gui based one, too
> (22:49:30) phillw: the author of espeak did a GUI?
> (22:49:46) charlie-tca: I know of two, orca and kaccessible. Kaccessible
> needs qt and kde, orca needs a lot of gnome
> (22:50:11) phillw: give me a few minutes.
> (22:50:43) charlie-tca: We also need both high-contrast and low-contrast
> themes
> (22:51:51) charlie-tca: Ideally, dasher needs to work, since it is the
> best on screen writing program we have at the time.
> (22:51:58) phillw: now, I met this young man again when I joined
> accessibility, he put a GUI out..
> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=33
> (22:52:41) phillw: I was impressed, it still needed a bit opf work, but it
> did work.
> (22:52:52) charlie-tca: Will it work with the monitor turned off?
> (22:53:12) charlie-tca: If we need a sighted person to read the errors, if
> fails
> (22:53:59) phillw: next time you see RainCT on line, ask him!
> (22:54:03) charlie-tca: It has taken me about three years to get a theme
> for Xubuntu that works for visually impaired users
> (22:54:57) charlie-tca: This is what makes setting priorities for a team
> so difficult. We have many needs for handi-capped users, but we can only fix
> one or two at a time.
> (22:55:14) phillw: I have also been given a few projects to have a look at
> by Alan Bell, but relaistically they are a at least 2 cycles away.
> (22:55:32) charlie-tca: According to Canonical, Accessibility in unity
> worked great! According to testing it, it fails miserably. We can't use it.
> (22:56:28) charlie-tca: Two cycles is nothing. If the project fits the
> distribution, you plan for it, and you add those plans to release notes.
>
> I've added a bit of 'wrap' around that part of the chat, charlie has agreed
> that the entire chat be paste binned. He is a very honourable man, you can
> see some of his own frustrations come out at times. I am proud to be able to
> talk frankly and openly with him. Any genuine enquiries from Lubuntu he will
> endeavour to answer.
>
> The full chat is at http://pastebin.com/HhdCeC9v
>
> JM, please bear with me, I've had this heartache before, but at least you
> have now an 'urgent' list and acceptance that it is quite probable you and
> julien do not have a chance of getting any of them in place for 11.10. I'm
> going to switch from chatting to people on accessbility mailing list

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10

[Chris]

>
> Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. Ubuntu Accessibility does
> not, in fact, set up any roadmap for any distribution except Ubuntu.
> Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Mythbuntu, Edubuntu, etc, all set their own roadmaps
> for the distribution they develope. They do not rely on any other team
> exept their own to decide what they will do in a cycle.
>
> --
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> Linux Registered User Number 425914  [http://counter.li.org/]
> Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
>
> No, it means each distribution makes its own accessibility roadmap,
> since we don't know what each distribution developers are capable of
> during a cycle. Kubuntu, for example, will have accessible
> installations and screen-reader this cycle. Xubuntu has not decided on
> its plans yet. Each variant is in fact a separate distribution, even if
> we all use the same repositories.
>
> --
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> Linux Registered User Number 425914  [http://counter.li.org/]
> Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
>
>
>
> --


What I think is going wrong is difference in jargon.
When the Lubuntu devs/people asked for a roadmap is what the Accessibility
people would see as an priority list. When the Lubuntu people have their
priority list, then they can create their own roadmap. As the Lubuntu devs
are very motivated to get accepted as being an official derivative, they
also want to get to some of the levels Ubuntu has achieved so far at least.
Just to proof their worth. That's why they asked for a "roadmap" and current
position of Ubuntu.

But I think now that the situation has been cleared, I think a priority list
would fill the gap of what the Lubuntu people are looking for. Then they can
argue among themselves what would be a realistic roadmap.

With metta,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10

[Chris]

It does use Ubiquity by default, but we are looking at an alternative
installer cd as well. Might even promote it more then the "normal"
installer?

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 22:57, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Sunday 29 May 2011 à 20:03 +0100, Alan Bell a écrit :
> > not a roadmap as such, but I have started drafting a document on the
> > Ubuntu infrastructure for accessibility
> > http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure
> > This will get transferred to the wiki at some point when it is nearly
> > complete and the most glaring errors have been fixed.
> Thanks Alan for the help :)
>
> > I don't know much about Lubuntu, only that it is based on something
> > called LXDE as a window manager and is targeted at really old
> > computers.
> Let's say that LXDE is a GTK/GLib environnement, with very limited GNOME
> depends :)
>
> > Looking at lubuntu.net it seems to be based on GTK, so I imagine just
> > installing gnome-orca will pull in speech dispatcher at-spi2 and
> > espeak,
> > install onboard and you have an on-screen keyboard too.
> Thanks, it's a good start :) They doesn't seems to pull to much GNOME
> depends, so we could consider it. However, I'm more concerned about the
> changes needed on our programs, to make them accessible.
>
> > Does it use
> > ubiquity for the installer?
> Yes.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client

[Chris]

I would be +1 on dropping xchat if it's IRC protocol would get a decent
upgrade, it's far to unstable in it's connection. Otherwise I would still
use it probably. Xchat's protocol for IRC is more solid (advantage of single
protocol apps).
I won't make a suggestion for default media player, as I like it to arrange
it for me, so I install Rhythmbox myself.
For default text editor I'd like to nominate gedit, as it is also
lightweight in my opinion, but has addition features compared to leafpad
(including, but not limited too syntax highlighting). I don't know how much
Empathy has progressed in the last few months and will in de coming, but
that might also be an good default for IM. Just a suggestion, but last time
I've used it I wasn't to keen on it. I didn't do a comparison between Pidgin
and Empathy in terms of stability and resources.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:13, PCMan  wrote:

> +1 for dropping XChat.
> The purpose of default applications are to provide a sane and
> easy-to-use default for common users.
> Learning how to use two different applications won't be easier than
> learning one.
> So using pidging for all protocols is supports do makes sense. Users
> can learn once and use it for everything.
> Power users who requires advanced scripting support can always install
> their powerful favorites manually.
> In the case of media player, gnome mplayer apparently has a bad music
> player UI.
> That's why we need a separate music player. Otherwise mplayer works just
> fine.
> For me, my favorite editor is geany, not leafpad.
> However I won't ship a programmer's editor as a default text editor
> for common users.
> Having xchat specifically for irc instead of pidgin won't make that
> much differences for common users, IMHO.
> So only including pidgin might be better in this case.
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:24:57 +0100
> > Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> >
> >> If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for?
> > It is on my TODO list for applications discussions. IMO, we should just
> drop xchat. I always use pidgin for IRC, and it doesn't a pretty decent
> work.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client

[Chris]

Aloha ka po'e apau,

I've switched from using Pidgin to xchat, as the extra features are quite
nice and it seems more stable then Pidgin's implementation.

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On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 01:24, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hiyas,
>
> todays lesson is to how to start a flame war
>
> Whilst tidying up the 'new area' for docs I noticed a missing link. That
> was the easy bit...
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
>
> If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for?
>
> I ceased using xchat and reverted back to pidgin in 9.10 when x-chat had
> that memory leak. It has been fixed, but pidgin does give a decent level of
> IRC (I use it) along with the ability to do all the other IM protocols. It
> also has 'plugin' package. Whilst not the 'best' IRC client, it does a
> decent job of it and also provides access to all the IM stuff that people
> seem to love these days Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes?
>
> /me retires to a safe distance.
>
> @ Julien, I've pointed the list of applications from the community doc area
> back to the dev area, as that page seems best placed there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 roadmap proposal

[Chris]

It's already on omgubuntu, I think they really like us! =D
On May 26, 2011 1:36 PM, "Phill Whiteside"  wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> looks good to me :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Julien Lavergne 
wrote:
>
>> I'll do it if nobody have comments on it. Thanks :)
>>
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
>> Le 26 mai 2011 à 03:24, Phill Whiteside  a écrit :
>>
>> hiyas Julien,
>>
>> have you already done, or do you want me to put this onto the development
>> area for 11.10 on the wiki area?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Julien Lavergne < 
>> gi...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is a proposal for the roadmap of Lubuntu 11.10 :
>>>
>>> * June 2nd : Alpha 1
>>> * June 14th : End of proposal for applications by default
>>> * June 19th : Decision for the modifications of default applications
>>> * July 7th : Alpha 2
>>> * August 4th : Alpha 3
>>> * August 11th : Feature Freeze (no more new stuff and new version)
>>> * August 17th : End of proposal for artwork
>>> * August 21nd : Decision for Artwork
>>> * September 1st : Beta 1
>>> * September 15th : Documentation / String Freeze
>>> * September 22nd : Beta 2
>>> * September 29th : Final Freeze (only critical changes)
>>> * October 13th : Final release
>>>
>>> We share the same deadline than Ubuntu. Specificities are for proposals
>>> and decisions for default applications and artwork.
>>>
>>> Concerning the Alpha 1, it will probably be still build with the old
>>> script (with install-recommends turn on). The goal is to have a real ISO
>>> for Alpha 2.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have comments about it :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien Lavergne
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 roadmap proposal

[Chris]

Aloha Julian,

I'd have to get my head into it, but I think it's good that we keep in line
with the Ubuntu roadmap. Let's hope they don't change the roadmap during the
game AGAIN! By the way, I still think the normal roadmap has deadlines for
default apps, artwork and everything. But that's just a side note.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE plans and priorities

[Chris]

Could I help with the gtk3 theme?

2011/5/24 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  For those who interested, the documentation for GTK3 stable build is here:
> http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/
>
> But I must advert that it's not intended for themers / artwork coders. Its
> purpose is more oriented for GUI builders, so reading can be difficult as a
> guide for making themes. That docs will be finished in a few days.
>
> And I have more information. I've noticed that the Light Themes has been
> ported to GTK3 succesfully as a Launchpad trunk branch, here:
> https://launchpad.net/light-themes/trunk
>
> ...and Murrine engine here (GIT):
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/murrine/log/?h=gtk%2b3
>
> Too much information, I know. For the moment I will keep working on making
> a new theme and promote it as a Oneiric candidate theme, among co-working
> with the Flickr group and ensuring more people contribution outside our crew
> (Community).
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 697694] Re: Lubuntu installation crashes

[Chris]

Aloha,

As far as I know is the partitioner that's being used the gparted
partitioner, but the devs can tell us more about it.

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On May 19, 2011 6:41 PM, "phix" <697...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> I have this problem too, installer failed while the partitioner was going
> (thankfully no data was lost -- looks like gparted finished the job). I
was
> asked to post some files, but I had no idea how to do it.
>
> Computer is a P3, 733 MHz, 512 MB ram.
>
> If the installer can't safely perform the functions it includes, maybe
those
> functions should be disabled on future releases. A gparted live cd can be
> used to partition, and it's probably a better tool anyway.
>
> 2011/5/19 trevor <697...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>
>> ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
>> Status: Incomplete => Confirmed
>>
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>>
>> Title:
>> Lubuntu installation crashes
>>
>> Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>>
>> Bug description:
>> Binary package hint: ubiquity
>>
>> I tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 but the installation crashed and it
>> said to report a bug with two files attached: partman, and syslog. The
>> thing is that I can only attach one file, how do I attach the other.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Image files

[Chris]

I should've mentioned it on the mailing-list that I already mentioned it on
IRC to phillw, but thanks anyway.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Image files

[Chris]

Looks pretty good. However, won't we be making an alternate installer as
well?

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> Le Monday 16 May 2011 à 15:26 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu
> >
> > It is still quite skeletal whilst I ensure I get all the variants in!
> >
> > I will add the links to the community pages and then ensure that they
> > are all upto date before I make that page 'live'.
> >
> > Comments, as always are appreciated.
>
> Ok for me, thanks for your work on this :)
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mirror available : http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/

[Chris]

Also the unofficial 64 bit Natty? ;-)
On May 13, 2011 2:37 PM, "matthew byers"  wrote:
> W00T!! Very nice!!
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A French company offer us a mirror for all Lubuntu ISO (10.04 to 11.04) :
>> http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/
>> I encourage you to download there, as we have some statistics on
downloads
>> :)
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] amd64 build of Lubuntu.

[Chris]

I made a reply on there that is no-way official or tested so they use it at
their own risk =)

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 00:59, Yorvyk  wrote:

> On Wed, 11 May 2011 18:33:16 -0400
> Kendall Weaver  wrote:
>
> > Yeah, as with all things of this nature it needs to be run through the
> > gauntlet a time or two before any decisions about distribution are made.
> If
> > there are issues that I missed, then I need to get them situated before
> this
> > is released to the public.
> >
> Too late
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/lubuntu-64bit-image-available-for-download/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] amd64 build of Lubuntu.

[Chris]

I'll probably be online tonight to download the torrent and will burn it
tomorrow. Will test it over the current 32 bit install. Yay, 64 bit =D.

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On May 11, 2011 10:20 PM, "Keith Clark"  wrote:
> Ok, I'm all set up and ready to seed here!
>
> Keith
>
> On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:00 +0200, Michał Ćwikliński wrote:
>> It's done
>>
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b29819701aedf1470ee098112fb2003eb881da25
>>
>> W dniu 2011-05-11 21:09, Fredrik Andersson pisze:
>> > Well i might be able to upload it to Linuxtracker.org, if someone
>> > should beat Me to it i will jump in and seed
>> >
>> > Contact:
>> >
>> > Mail&Messenger
>> > fredrikfri...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > Den 11 maj 2011 20.07, "Benny Hult"  skrev:
>> > >
>> > > I'll upload it to phillw.net during this evening.
>> > > So we will have a mirror of it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Who will upload it to a torrent site?
>> > > I'm eager to seed after I have it.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Kendall Weaver
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Alright, I have it uploaded and have done one test
>> > > download to verify the md5sum matches (nothin...
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] amd64 build of Lubuntu.

[Chris]

I think a torrent would also be great, that way the load will be share among
everyone. I'll save my custom lubuntu-rc.xml and will try it when I've for
it in. For your other questions I've got no real answers (just woke minutes
ago).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposal to use Claws Mail as default Email Client instead of Slypheed

[Chris]

If it really is just as "heavy" in use and others have suggested the same in
the past, why not?

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On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 13:23, WiZ  wrote:

> Claws Mail (http://www.claws-mail.org/ formerly Sylpheed-Claws) started as
> the bleeding-edge
> version of Sylpheed, in order to act as a testbed for new features for
> Sylpheed. Claws Mail then evolved into the stable extended version of
> Sylpheed, and is now an entity in its own right, mainly due to
> different goals and the fact that syncing both codebases doesn't happen
> anymore.
>
> Claws Mail has many extra features compared to Sylpheed and is more
> powerful, yet is just as fast, lightweight and stable.
>
> Justification:
>
> Similar resource usage as Slypheed
> Extendable with a number of 1st and 3rd party plugins available now
> (Slypheed is also begining to develop support for plugins but Claws has
> mature support with plugins available now!)
> Plugins available with support for Calendar functions and syncing with
> webcal servers like google calendar (May be able to provide
> functionality that could allow removal of Osmo)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Benefits of Lubuntu being official (was: Re: Ask Mark session )

[Chris]

Yes, please make an 64 bit ISO! I'll be one of the first to test/use it.

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On May 5, 2011 8:14 PM, "Kendall Weaver"  wrote:
> For the time being, I can go ahead and whip up a 64 bit .iso if there is
any
> interest in me doing so. It shouldn't take but a couple of hours. I have
> most of one put together already as I'll need it to build the 64 bit
> Peppermint release.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:38:25 -0700
>> Jonathan Marsden  wrote:
>>
>> > As well as the expected "publicity and marketing" benefits, at a
>> > technical level we would be able to use the official Ubuntu build
>> > infrastructure for creating our ISOs, and official test setups for
>> > tracking which tests have been done on which builds of Lubuntu.
>>
>> We will have also 32, 64 bits ISO, + alternate ISO, + ARM ISO (for mobile
>> devices), for free :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Benefits of Lubuntu being official (was: Re: Ask Mark session )

[Chris]

How do you make Deluge share better? Only when I'm downloaden the uploading
seems to go "fast", but besides that, it seems really slow. Even thou I'm
not online all the time, but should be more than 1.241 ratio. Also I can't
seem to be able to upload with every torrent I've got uploading (8 linux
images), even after setting upload slots to about 20.
Any thoughts to what I need to change would be appreciative. I'm also on IRC
most of the time, so can also be talked to directly.

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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 06:50, Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

> On 05/04/2011 09:27 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
>
> > Also we can distribute Lubuntu better, ...
>
> Yes.  Although, the torrents we have available continue to be pretty
> popular; my Deluge torrent app now says my ratio for lubuntu-11.04.iso
> is 45 :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cd wallet

[Chris]

I gave my feedback. It looks good, but I'm not entirely sure about the
tilted numbers on the disks.
Great work.

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2011/5/3 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  Ok, the wallet is ready. Three files (wallet, disc and lightscribe
> grayscaled prints). You can download these at the marketing wiki:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
>
> Please, feedback.
>
> PS. And thank you all, crew, for your inspiring words about my
> contribution.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New header

[Chris]

I have had some thoughts about it and will try some things this afternoon
again. I can't seem to give the links a custom color, therefor they are
orange. I will see if there is a bug about it on [1], or I will make one for
it. I'll report back when I've got it updated to a new "release".

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On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:18, matthew byers  wrote:

> I do like the blue scheme but i suggest maxing how many topics are shown in
> each box to only 4. The orange lettering when looked at long enough for
> reading will start to blur together. The BT scheme only uses 4 topics as you
> can see compared the the suggested 5 topics.
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Chris  wrote:
>
>> Aloha tout moun, Julien,
>>
>> I think you meant with "too big" that it's too high. As I'm clueless as to
>> how we could split the sub-teams up into two Blocks. As that block become 5
>> high, it's no use making the other block smaller, would only look
>> weird/ugly. The dark blue top can be made half it's height (better put, the
>> height of the font), so that would make it a bit lower. But that's just
>> marginally smaller. About the logo's I can be short: they are attachments
>> and not links to online images and I didn't upload images to those
>> attachments. I've updated the banner to be smaller in height and uploaded
>> one image to the attachment of the Main block. Check again here [1] and give
>> m your opinions. Note: second logo is still "broken" as in nothing uploaded.
>> Need too look for a proper image for there.
>>
>> With metta,
>>
>> Chris Druif
>>
>>  [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Sandbox
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 22:38, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>>
>>> Le Monday 02 May 2011 à 21:47 +0200, UndiFineD a écrit :
>>> > What would be a small screen for you Julien ?
>>>
>>> A eeePC 701, 800x480 :)
>>>
>>> Note that it's not a blocker, just a note :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
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>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New header

[Chris]

Aloha tout moun, Julien,

I think you meant with "too big" that it's too high. As I'm clueless as to
how we could split the sub-teams up into two Blocks. As that block become 5
high, it's no use making the other block smaller, would only look
weird/ugly. The dark blue top can be made half it's height (better put, the
height of the font), so that would make it a bit lower. But that's just
marginally smaller. About the logo's I can be short: they are attachments
and not links to online images and I didn't upload images to those
attachments. I've updated the banner to be smaller in height and uploaded
one image to the attachment of the Main block. Check again here [1] and give
m your opinions. Note: second logo is still "broken" as in nothing uploaded.
Need too look for a proper image for there.

With metta,

Chris Druif

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Sandbox

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 22:38, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Monday 02 May 2011 à 21:47 +0200, UndiFineD a écrit :
> > What would be a small screen for you Julien ?
>
> A eeePC 701, 800x480 :)
>
> Note that it's not a blocker, just a note :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] New header

[Chris]

Aloha tout moun,

I've spend the afternoon making a new, more modern header for the wiki and
help pages. To check it out, head over to [1] which will show a comparison
between my new and the current header. In the bottom you see the base for
the new header, the UBT header. If you miss any links in the new header or
have suggestions, please share them with me. I would be very honored if you
wanted to use my header.

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[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Sandbox
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cd wallet

[Chris]

Jared,

They "grey" cd is for lightscribe if I'm not mistaken. By the way, can
Rafael also put them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing ?
Thanks.

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On 05/02/2011 12:01:49 AM, Jared Norris ,Lubuntu
Desktop mailing wrote:
>Rafael,
>As always your attention to detail is outstanding. I personally
> prefer the blue CD but they are both amazing. Well done, keep up the great
> work.
>Regards,
>Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
>[1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
>
>2011/4/30 神癒�湖 (Rafael Laguna)
> <[2]rafaellag...@gmail.com>
>
>Hello, boys and girls. Here's the wallet. Lubuntu style, not
> Canonical style.
>Any changes / suggestions / ideas / hates? Vote, baby, vote (a
> Deee-Lite song).
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

[Chris]

Great work Jonathan,

We would need to find a more permanent I think, but until then your ISO
would be a great alternative for people with small discs. I think because
Lubuntu isn't an official derivate we can't ask for an exception in
ubiquity, but we could always ask.

Great work everyone!

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On May 2, 2011 10:30 AM, "Jonathan Marsden"  wrote:
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cd wallet

[Chris]

Looks pretty good. Only thing I'm not too sure about is the tilted 11.04 on
the CD-label.

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2011/4/30 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  Hello, boys and girls. Here's the wallet. Lubuntu style, not Canonical
> style.
>
> Any changes / suggestions / ideas / hates? Vote, baby, vote (a Deee-Lite
> song).
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.04 released

[Chris]

Also the home page (/Lubuntu) still refers to 10.10 as the "newest" release.
I'll see if I can change that this afternoon.

Aloha, Chris

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 15:12, matthew byers wrote:

> Also folks please update the wiki page if you are offering a location to
> download lubuntu iso from. My direct link on wiki will be updated as soon as
> i get the chance to download new release and upload. Lets keep these
> torrents rolling as well!!! Lubuntu FTW!!!
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Shabab Mustafa  > wrote:
>
>> I have already downloaded Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop. Is there any zsync file
>> available? It could save lot of my Bandwidth. :(
>> ---
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>>
>>
>> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Mario Behling wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> great work the new release!
>>>
>>> I put it on the site as well.
>>>
>>> Actually the lubuntu.net is not down, there are just masses of hits
>>> making it extremely slow or unavailable for some people.
>>>
>>> - Mario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Jared Norris 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On 29 April 2011 05:05, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Lubuntu 11.04 is now available :
>>> >>
>>> >>  * Torrent :http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso.torrent
>>> >>  * Direct download :
>>> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso
>>> >>  * Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > The torrents are ripping along if anyone is curious - heaps of people
>>> > seeding, heaps of people downloading - GOOD WORK!
>>> >
>>> > *snip*
>>> >>
>>> >> == Links ==
>>> >>
>>> >>  * Website : http://lubuntu.net/
>>> >
>>> > Please, if someone can look into lubuntu.net being down that would be
>>> > appreciated. It was just reported on the IRC channel and I have
>>> confirmed,
>>> > it's not working.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>  * Documentation : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
>>> >
>>> > Are we at the stage of being able to change this to
>>> > help.u.c/community/Lubuntu soon?
>>> >>
>>> >>  * LXDE website : http://lxde.org/
>>> >>  * Announcement:
>>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/NattyNarwhal
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Julien Lavergne
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A big thank you to everyone involved in this, there are so many people
>>> > making Lubuntu the great distribution is is today and as a regular
>>> Lubuntu
>>> > user I really appreciate everyone's efforts.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
>>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
>>> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Upgrading Synaptic

[Chris]

I don't think it's a feature you can easily disable. But a mention in the
Release Notes would be great. Then we only need to refer to the Release
Notes when questions arrive.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 23:47, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Wednesday 20 April 2011 à 20:26 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > It would be best if it didn't appear on the toolbar.
>
> It's the case in Natty. It should avoid some questions about this.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.04 Beta 1: "Check disc for errors" returns 115 errors in ./isolinux/*

[Chris]

Hai Steven,

As you might have seen on the mailing list of today is beta 2 just been
released. If not then you should find all the info you need about it here
[1]. As always try to use the torrent (but as your mail has indicated you
gave no problem using that). Can you please check if these errors still
exist on the beta 2 ISO. If that is the case, please reply to this email
with your findings.

With metta,

Chris
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Beta 2 released

[Chris]

Aloha everyone,

Are the known issues still the same? And do the both Minimal CD's link the
the beta 2 ISO's? It's not really clear to me, as [1] & [2] link to /current
somewhere.
Thanks for explaining in advance.

With metta,

Chris Druif

[1]
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[2]
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:25, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A quick email to announce that beta2 is available. It should be very
> close to the final Lubuntu 11.04.
>
> The 2 main modifications are the changes of the ISO to boot correctly
> with Virtualbox 4.0, and the removal of Java plugin by default (because
> it installed Firefox, which we don't want). I'll try to do a proper
> summarize for the final release announcement.
>
> Download as usual :
> Torrent :
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-beta2.iso.torrent
> Direct : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-beta2.iso
> md5sum : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
>
> Happy testing :)
>
> Regards,
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>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Upgrading Synaptic

[Chris Druif]

Hello everyone,

I know it's too late for "new" features for natty, so my request is for
oneiric. Currently the "Quick search" feature is disabled by default
with a fresh install, however to make it functional only one of it's
"recommended" packages needs to be installed as well. This package is
"apt-xapian-index" (technical information below) which in my opinion is
a small package to add a greatly appreciative feature of synaptic.

Additional information about it can be found with apt-cache show "apt-
xapian-index" in terminal. Only the python-xapian dependency wasn't
installed, who's information I'll also send with this mail.

So please consider to add this to the default installation and thanks
for considering it.

With metta,

Chris Druif
Technical information:

Package: apt-xapian-index
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 240
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers 
Original-Maintainer: Enrico Zini 
Architecture: all
Version: 0.25ubuntu2
Depends: python, python-xapian (>= 1.0.2), python-apt (>= 0.7.93.2),
python-debian (>= 0.1.13)
Filename: pool/main/a/apt-xapian-index/apt-xapian-
index_0.25ubuntu2_all.deb
Size: 37506

Package: python-xapian
Priority: optional
Section: python
Installed-Size: 1064
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers 
Original-Maintainer: Olly Betts 
Architecture: i386
Source: xapian-bindings
Version: 1.0.17-1ubuntu1
Replaces: python2.1-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3), python2.2-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3),
python2.3-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3), python2.4-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3)
Provides: python2.6-xapian
Depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6), python-central (>= 0.6.11),
libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libxapian15
(>= 1.0.17)
Suggests: xapian-doc
Conflicts: python2.1-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3), python2.2-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3),
python2.3-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3), python2.4-xapian (<< 0.9.6-3)
Filename: pool/main/x/xapian-bindings/python-
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Natty Beta 2, what is the progress?

[Chris]

Hai everyone,

A few days back did Ubuntu release it's beta 2, however, I've seen nothing
on the mailing-list about our beta 2 release.
And every time I ask in #lubuntu-offtopic nobody seems to know anything
about beta 2, so that's why I'm asking in the public.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major "must fix before Beta" issues left in Lubuntu?

[Chris]

Should we consider putting it on the list of ubiquity devs to reduce memory
footprint? Once we are an official derivative of Ubuntu we might have a
better foot to stand on and ask for these things.
But it would even benefit Ubuntu I guess. Lower footprint would speed up
installation as well?
Just a thought of course.

With metta, Chris

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 21:15, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le lundi 28 mars 2011 à 21:48 -0600, matthew byers a écrit :
> >
> > Though I have not had time to properly test this out if it now takes
> > more ram to install I think we need to address that soon. Lets not
> > lose sight of what lubuntu is just because we are trying to please
> > others. Lubuntus small footprint is a high quality of it so I would
> > hate to see that go.
>
> Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory footprint
> of the installer for 11.04. We used the same than Ubuntu, which have
> some advantages (ex: shared development) and disadvantages (ex: memory
> usage is not the priority of the ubiquity devs).
>
> Installer need some improvements (reducing memory usage, add option to
> install only lubuntu-core ...), but it's not the easiest part of
> Lubuntu / Ubuntu :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

I *thought* it was in lesser degree with LCD's. But turn off is such a turn
off for some people (pun intended), but my prefered method (my Ubuntu does
it as well).

Chris

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 16:46, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Chris  wrote:
> > Hai Tim,
> >
> > I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for
> > CRT screens.
>
> You know, LCDs still burn in. It's arguably more efficient to just
> blank them than display a 'saver, although you run the risk of people
> thinking their PCs have crashed or are off.
>
> However, burn-in is not a historical problem. I have seen quite a few
> burned-in TFTs and as people don't think it happens any more, they're
> not taking precautions and it's on the rise.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

Hai Tim,

I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for
CRT screens.

Cheers, Chris

P.S.: my funny bone was tingling =P
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Chris]

Hai Tim,

Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear
image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your
definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts.

Cheers, Chris

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard  wrote:

> What should Lubuntu do?
>
> I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
> 100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
> their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
> is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)
>
> My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
> "tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
> computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.
>
> So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
> the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
> mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
> What will they expect?
>
> Here's my list:
> - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
> - handle music, video and Internet
> - find anything on my local network
> - download and open files properly
> - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI
> out)
> - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
> - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but
> I don't fault anyone for that.)
>
> Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to
> tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there,
> but overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with
> it's efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the
> other Ubuntu variants I've used.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

Hai everyone,

Agreed the screensaver shouldn't be energy consuming, it should be the
opposite.
I like Mod4 + L for locking btw.

Cheers, Chris Druif

I like

2011/2/25 Marcelo Zacarias da Silva 

> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote:
> > The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the
> > default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated it.
> For
> > me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for
> slow
> > machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say
> it:
> > "lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of
> Ubuntu
> > using LXDE".
> >
> > So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and
> gnome-power-preferences
> > should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :))
> >
>
> Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes no
> sense. An
> option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request,
> like
> CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO).
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

[Chris]

Hai Julian,

Have you got pidgin installed, as on Ubuntu Maverick it's installed when I
use the PPA (so I'm not sure with the repos version).
And I'd need to install libnotify to use it in Lubuntu? Shouldn't it be
activated/installed by default? Giving the Ubuntu feeling?

Food for thought,

Chris Druif

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 00:46, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 14:06 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
> écrit :
> > ... and it depends on: libindicate-gtk2 & libindicate4 (180kb both
> > installed)
> Hum, I don't see them by default on my Natty system. And it probably
> means that those library will be loaded. But, there are relative to
> indicators, and we don't use indicators by default. So, it's probably
> some useless ressources (not too much, but still).
>
> Do you have the difference between the 2 notifications, with and with
> out pidgin-libnotify ?
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps

[Chris Druif]

Hai everyone,

Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try
to give the "full" experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with
a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also
comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's
default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB
on disk.

It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on
the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let
yourself be heard if you do.

Kindest of regards,

MrChrisDruif
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer and SMplayer problems

[Chris I-B]

"""Keep the user interface simple and intuitive. Never design some
geek-style GUI. (the GUI of gnome-mplayer is much cleaner than the
SMplayer one IMO)."""

Gnome-MPlayer is certainly simpler, but I don't think either one falls into
the "Geek-Style" UI stereotype.  Your average user could probably sit down
at either one and figure out how to play a movie:

Gnome-MPlayer:
http://www.icewalkers.com/scr/n2887/gnome-mplayer.jpg

SMPlayer:
http://www.icewalkers.com/scr/n2997/smplayer.jpg

Personally I prefer SMPlayer.  And maybe it's just me, but I don't really
understand the fuss over a 20MB library that's a dependency for a HUGE
number of very good applications.  It's not like we're installing KDE or
anything; they're just widgets.  If SMPlayer has less pervasive tendencies
then let's suck up that 20MB and use it.  (I also find SMPlayer generally
more stable and easier-to-use than it's GTK-styled counterpart).

But if we're going to throw in Qt then we might as well go for VLC over
either one of the MPlayer options.  It would solve the problem of LAME
legalities, and it's a very well-known media player in the non-Linux world
(which is a good thing for transitioning users).  Having a media player
included on the ISO is essential from a desktop-completeness perspective.
If MPlayer and its derivatives cannot do that then I say we should look
elsewhere for a media player that can.

Maybe (and this is a very, very big maybe) someone can/will get energetic
enough to write a GTK fork of VLC that we can use.  The suggestion's been
floating around for a while, but no one's taken the initiative as far as I
know.  We could (in theory) create our "LXDE Movie Player" by "simply"
changing VLC to use GTK.  Yes, I realize that's a major undertaking, but
it's the kind of change that the VLC community would welcome, not to mention
all those Gnome and XFCE fans who want a better-integrated VLC.  Any GTK
programmers up for a challenge on behalf of us all?
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