Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists
This is actually very possible to do though seeds. Seeds are inherited, so it is very possible to create a single seed that produces something like this, or any other form of arrangement. I choose not to initially in the seed I made in part because it was the first one I did so I needed to learn how to make one with something simple to start with, because I thought that might initially further divide people into subsets of Lubuntu rather than at least starting from a common view of shared goals, and because I did not want to create any such decision or specific divisions without any discussion or consensus existing for it first. But I had also been thinking of a division much like this. Andrew Oakley wrote: > On 14/08/2009, David Sugar wrote: >> much said about keeping it very light, I absolutely agree lightweight >> must NEVER mean shortchanging the user experience in the process. I > > This is easily to reconcile. > > With Ubuntu Server, you get a choice of which groups of packages you'd > like to install. So there's a CLI only install, there's a LAMP install > etc. > > Why not use the same model for Lubuntu? > > Provide, say, three package groups: > > * A basic desktop-only install. I'd suggest some kind of GUI network > connection manager, terminal, desktop settings configuration tool, and > a GUI package manager tool (so you can install whatever other packages > you like). Perhaps it might have a desktop icon to allow sudo users to > easily install a variety of web browsers, office suites and other > tools, perhaps also giving advice on minimum/recommended hardware > requirements for each featured package. > > * A netbook install. Everything the "basic" install has got, plus, I'd > suggest, Firefox, OpenOffice and Cheese (all netbooks have a webcam, > we need to demonstrate that the webcam works), PLUS a netbook launcher > interface. > > * A full-fat install. Everything that the "netbook" install has got, > but no netbook launcher interface, and then all the packages that the > normal Desktop Ubuntu install has got. Basically the whole Desktop > Ubuntu but with LXDE. Some packages might have to be substituted if > they rely heavily on Gnome. > begin:vcard fn:David Sugar n:Sugar;David org:Canonical adr:;;United States email;internet:david.su...@canonical.com title:Mobile Developer tel;work:+1 609 465 5336 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.canonical.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists
On 14/08/2009, David Sugar wrote: > much said about keeping it very light, I absolutely agree lightweight > must NEVER mean shortchanging the user experience in the process. I This is easily to reconcile. With Ubuntu Server, you get a choice of which groups of packages you'd like to install. So there's a CLI only install, there's a LAMP install etc. Why not use the same model for Lubuntu? Provide, say, three package groups: * A basic desktop-only install. I'd suggest some kind of GUI network connection manager, terminal, desktop settings configuration tool, and a GUI package manager tool (so you can install whatever other packages you like). Perhaps it might have a desktop icon to allow sudo users to easily install a variety of web browsers, office suites and other tools, perhaps also giving advice on minimum/recommended hardware requirements for each featured package. * A netbook install. Everything the "basic" install has got, plus, I'd suggest, Firefox, OpenOffice and Cheese (all netbooks have a webcam, we need to demonstrate that the webcam works), PLUS a netbook launcher interface. * A full-fat install. Everything that the "netbook" install has got, but no netbook launcher interface, and then all the packages that the normal Desktop Ubuntu install has got. Basically the whole Desktop Ubuntu but with LXDE. Some packages might have to be substituted if they rely heavily on Gnome. -- Andrew Oakley and...@aoakley.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists
I do actually happen to agree with this also. While yes there has been much said about keeping it very light, I absolutely agree lightweight must NEVER mean shortchanging the user experience in the process. I just happen to think it could be possible to try and accomplish both and thereby produce something that extends the range and reach of Ubuntu without requiring people to find ways to purchase new hardware they may not be able to afford, and to experience free software made for human beings on platforms and hardware profiles that have not been able to experience this before. To me that is what lightweight means, not as a technical challenge to simply make it fit into the absolute skinniest machine possible, but rather to bring the full experience to users regardless of the hardware they happen to have available. Mario Behling wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I completely agree with your statements. We set our goal. We need to > talk about how to achieve this goal and pursue this way. It makes > things rather difficult if we start to talk over the goal and > different ideas again and again. > > The goal of LXDE is to keep things simple and fast. At the same time > LXDE offers just what many users need. Lets make a complete distro > based on this idea. > > I think as the summer holidays is getting to an end we will see this > project becoming more active again and actually getting things done. > > All the best, > > Mario > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:53 AM, dave slaughter > wrote: >> Ok, I realize that I have not been participating as much as I should be, as >> I am one the eoriginal members of the Lubuntu Team, but there is a reason >> for this, and the recent posts have pointed it out, compelling me to post >> this. >> I was really happy and excited when more and more people started showing up, >> and joining the team to get this project really moving. But as time went on, >> more and more people were saying how this had to be "ultra light" and use >> "the least amount of resources", but it seems that the more ideas people >> had, the more they seem to have forgotten what the project started as, >> "Lubuntu", as in, an Ubuntu derivative, and the goal was to have this >> become an official 'Buntu, which would mean it has to be noob friendly, and >> very easy to use, which means having things like GUI configuration tools, >> and an easy to use web browser, like Firefox. At one of the meetings someone >> said the update manager should not be included, and that users could just >> use the console to update, how would this be in line with the rest of the >> 'Buntu's? The goal of Ubuntu was to be very easy to use for the newest of >> users, and bring Linux to the masses, but at every meeting people were >> saying things like, "the user can install (insert basic program here) if >> they want it", or, "a gui tool to configure the desktop is not necessary as >> you can just edit the config file". How would a new user know how to do >> this? We have to remember that we are not building a distro for the >> experienced, or even casual Linux user, we are build for the newest of >> users, the Ubuntu crowd, who have decided that they have heard so much good >> things about how easy it is to use, that they decided that maybe it was time >> to give Linux a try. >> I think we all need to remember what Ubutnu is, and really think about it, >> cause we are not building a distro for "us", we are building it for "them". >> And if it not as easy to use as all the rest of the Ubuntu's, Canonical will >> never let this be an official 'Buntu. > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp begin:vcard fn:David Sugar n:Sugar;David org:Canonical adr:;;United States email;internet:david.su...@canonical.com title:Mobile Developer tel;work:+1 609 465 5336 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.canonical.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists
Hi Dave, I completely agree with your statements. We set our goal. We need to talk about how to achieve this goal and pursue this way. It makes things rather difficult if we start to talk over the goal and different ideas again and again. The goal of LXDE is to keep things simple and fast. At the same time LXDE offers just what many users need. Lets make a complete distro based on this idea. I think as the summer holidays is getting to an end we will see this project becoming more active again and actually getting things done. All the best, Mario On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:53 AM, dave slaughter wrote: > Ok, I realize that I have not been participating as much as I should be, as > I am one the eoriginal members of the Lubuntu Team, but there is a reason > for this, and the recent posts have pointed it out, compelling me to post > this. > I was really happy and excited when more and more people started showing up, > and joining the team to get this project really moving. But as time went on, > more and more people were saying how this had to be "ultra light" and use > "the least amount of resources", but it seems that the more ideas people > had, the more they seem to have forgotten what the project started as, > "Lubuntu", as in, an Ubuntu derivative, and the goal was to have this > become an official 'Buntu, which would mean it has to be noob friendly, and > very easy to use, which means having things like GUI configuration tools, > and an easy to use web browser, like Firefox. At one of the meetings someone > said the update manager should not be included, and that users could just > use the console to update, how would this be in line with the rest of the > 'Buntu's? The goal of Ubuntu was to be very easy to use for the newest of > users, and bring Linux to the masses, but at every meeting people were > saying things like, "the user can install (insert basic program here) if > they want it", or, "a gui tool to configure the desktop is not necessary as > you can just edit the config file". How would a new user know how to do > this? We have to remember that we are not building a distro for the > experienced, or even casual Linux user, we are build for the newest of > users, the Ubuntu crowd, who have decided that they have heard so much good > things about how easy it is to use, that they decided that maybe it was time > to give Linux a try. > I think we all need to remember what Ubutnu is, and really think about it, > cause we are not building a distro for "us", we are building it for "them". > And if it not as easy to use as all the rest of the Ubuntu's, Canonical will > never let this be an official 'Buntu. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] issues everyone is having with apps lists
Ok, I realize that I have not been participating as much as I should be, as I am one the eoriginal members of the Lubuntu Team, but there is a reason for this, and the recent posts have pointed it out, compelling me to post this. I was really happy and excited when more and more people started showing up, and joining the team to get this project really moving. But as time went on, more and more people were saying how this had to be "ultra light" and use "the least amount of resources", but it seems that the more ideas people had, the more they seem to have forgotten what the project started as, "Lubuntu", as in, an Ubuntu derivative, and the goal was to have this become an official 'Buntu, which would mean it has to be noob friendly, and very easy to use, which means having things like GUI configuration tools, and an easy to use web browser, like Firefox. At one of the meetings someone said the update manager should not be included, and that users could just use the console to update, how would this be in line with the rest of the 'Buntu's? The goal of Ubuntu was to be very easy to use for the newest of users, and bring Linux to the masses, but at every meeting people were saying things like, "the user can install (insert basic program here) if they want it", or, "a gui tool to configure the desktop is not necessary as you can just edit the config file". How would a new user know how to do this? We have to remember that we are not building a distro for the experienced, or even casual Linux user, we are build for the newest of users, the Ubuntu crowd, who have decided that they have heard so much good things about how easy it is to use, that they decided that maybe it was time to give Linux a try. I think we all need to remember what Ubutnu is, and really think about it, cause we are not building a distro for "us", we are building it for "them". And if it not as easy to use as all the rest of the Ubuntu's, Canonical will never let this be an official 'Buntu. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
