[LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Otandeka Simon Peter
Food for thought.. http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2013/07/08/3-reasons-why-silicon-semenya-kenya-will-never-match-silicon-valley-us/ P. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to:

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
Hi, This is going to be a bit of an off-topic angry rant, but I'll add my two cents here: I'm really sick of going to tech events and watching panels of fly-in's from the World Bank, established corporations, or whatever, tell us we need to think bigger or that we should look at Silicon Valley

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Atkin
Hi Kyle Very good summary completely concur.. people forget that each situation (Time, Place and Resources) are often different so difference approaches are required, what works for one does not mean it will work for the other. I am also tired of experts that live in bubbles completely

[LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread brian lance
We saw this coming. http://beta.fool.com/joekurtz/2013/07/22/the-windows-era-is-over/40988/?source=eogyholnk001 *Microsoft*’s (NASDAQ: MSFT http://caps.fool.com/Ticker/MSFT.aspx)earnings report made it official: the Windows era is over. Microsoft shares fell over 11% on Friday, the

Re: [LUG] NETWORK CARD DISABLED IN UBUNTU 12.04

2013-07-23 Thread Joanna Anna
Use ifeth0 enable On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Muganwa Michael mugan...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning colleagues, I hope you all had a wonderful weekend. I have this gateway running ubuntu 12.04 that has been working well for a couple of months but yesterday,I got to office and its

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread sanga collins
I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type services, but in the long run it is not the most Ideal solution. Having that fat pipe of bandwidth is IMO the most crushing aspect. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Peter Atkin

[LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Kiggundu Mukasa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039974/The-deep-web-The-new-map-undersea-cables-world-clicking.html http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/bandwidth-explosion-as-internet-use-soars-can-bottlenecks-be-averted/ -- Five solae

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Simon Vass
One thing that could help alleviate the pain is more focus on distributing the bandwidth so local IX's can help share the burden. On 23 Jul 2013 15:09, Kiggundu Mukasa kiggu...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
Not in its current form, no. They will have to re-saddle. But that's not even the most interesting question. The real nail-biter is: Which company will fill the power gap? And how will this change the landscape? On 23 July 2013 13:48, brian lance lancebr...@gmail.com wrote: We saw this

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
No Sanga, you are thinking of not having static IPs. That can be alleviated with dynamic DNS services. Not having a *public* IP is something entirely different. I agree with everything Kyle says. The problem ultimately boils down to Uganda's not being a democracy. If the government operated under

Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread Jake Markhus
When you think about it, there is no gap. Any really discerning shopper can replace any and all of the Microsoft stack for free almost. Have you seen alternativeto.net? Today I looked at monodevelop. You now need a compelling business case to invest in Microsoft. On Jul 23, 2013 7:29 PM, Benjamin

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread brian lance
Good read, but its like a pipeline dream here in Uganda in terms of bandwidth expansion to the leagues in Europe or Asia, esp when you hear orange advertise for 42Mbps modems when actually no one in Uganda utilizes such internet speeds. Its like buying a Bugatti Veyron to test on Kampala road.

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread James S. K. Makumbi
The answer is to host the applications HERE in Uganda and if they are good enough, people will find them here but for now, let them be relevant to our markets here. The first thing all these countries did was develop their INTERNAL networks. Silicon valley became that way because PEOPLE WENT

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread David Lubowa
lol @ 5MB for the ministry with 250 users , is this really true ? On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, brian lance lancebr...@gmail.com wrote: Good read, but its like a pipeline dream here in Uganda in terms of bandwidth expansion to the leagues in Europe or Asia, esp when you hear orange

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
We have a healthy exchange point in Uganda. Even if the network you (or your services) are on is limited to the Kampala region, you still have a decent route to content and users on other networks in Uganda. On Jul 23, 2013 8:18 PM, James S. K. Makumbi jmark...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is to

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread brian lance
And we not the worst ones.don't expect Youtube access for everyone here its VIP access only. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM, David Lubowa zi...@trueafrican.com wrote: lol @ 5MB for the ministry with 250 users , is this really true ? On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, brian lance

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread James S. K. Makumbi
I have no problem with the exchange point. My beef is with the lack of content. What are we using the IXP for? From: lug-boun...@linux.or.ug [mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug] On Behalf Of Kyle Spencer Sent: 23 July 2013 20:26 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Benjamin Tayehanpour
Actually, the Chinese just tunnel under the firewall. If you don't know how, the local Internet café will do it for you if you ask and look sufficiently non-government-spyish. On 23 July 2013 19:16, James S. K. Makumbi jmark...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is to host the applications HERE in

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
Just pointing out that it's there :) On Jul 23, 2013 8:55 PM, James S. K. Makumbi jmark...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with the exchange point. My beef is with the lack of content. What are we using the IXP for? ** ** *From:* lug-boun...@linux.or.ug

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread James S. K. Makumbi
All Uganda's youtube contributions (ntv, Wavah's BS and others) are hosted locally so the IXP can really help with that. They should restrict you to youtbe.co.ug actually or to the UG channel (is that possible?) From: lug-boun...@linux.or.ug [mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug] On Behalf Of brian

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Neil Blazevic
This conversation is over my head, but a question: if you're accessing local servers, you still get charged at the same bandwidth rate, right? Just it's faster and you ease congestion? Neil On Jul 23, 2013 9:15 PM, James S. K. Makumbi jmark...@gmail.com wrote: All Uganda’s youtube

Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread Bright Onapito
No one should be too quick to write M$ off. These boys have survived the worst economic storms of their times. I am highly doubtful a $900 million RT write off will significantly dent their money minting record. Only time will tell though Sent from Bright's Droid On 23/07/2013 7:51 PM, Jake

Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread James S. K. Makumbi
All I meant was that now instead of saying THERE IS Microsoft, we now say, Oh yeah there is ALSO Microsoft. From: lug-boun...@linux.or.ug [mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug] On Behalf Of Bright Onapito Sent: 23 July 2013 21:25 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Atkin
DataNet don't charge for local data links, as long as you of course originating from their infrastructure, I get 5Mb link to most my DataNet clients without an issue. Kind Regards Peter Atkin (C.T.O) cfts.co (u) ltd. Get I.T.Right +256-772-700781 | Skype: peter2cfu

Re: [LUG] The Windows Era Is Over

2013-07-23 Thread Kiggundu Mukasa
M$ has $70 billion in cash http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft She's a big mama and she aint going no where anytime soon! Kiggs On Jul 23, 2013, at 9:33 PM, James S. K. Makumbi jmark...@gmail.com wrote: All I meant was that now instead of saying THERE IS Microsoft, we now say, “Oh yeah

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Mwirima Byaruhanga
sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: Hi Benjamin, I see what you mean. That actually is even worse. I must admit I am complete spoiled living where I live not having a public IP is unthinkable! I'm afraid the unthinkable may be upon you soon, get ready. The American IP address

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
Charging differently for local traffic would violate net neutrality priciples. In my opinion we should not encourage that kind of behavior because it severely undermines the Internet model :) On Jul 23, 2013 9:40 PM, Peter Atkin peter.at...@cfts.co wrote: DataNet don’t charge for local data

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Kyle Spencer
ISPs could solve this problem by deploying IPv6. The problem is, even if they deploy IPv6, they may still NAT mobile devices because it keeps them in a position of control. On Jul 23, 2013 10:34 PM, Mwirima Byaruhanga e...@afrigeek.net wrote: sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: Hi

Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never match the US Silicon Valley

2013-07-23 Thread Mwirima Byaruhanga
sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 4:27 PM: I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type services, Only if your WAN interface has a unicast address, and this is sometimes not the case. eb

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Mwirima Byaruhanga
James S. K. Makumbi wrote thus on 7/23/13 8:52 PM: I have no problem with the exchange point. My beef is with the lack of content. There is already useful local content. URA quickly comes to mind with their electronic services portal. There's the newspapers and the many mushorooming real

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread billyn...@gmail.com
eb, Which ISP is that from as it's working from here. http://stats.uixp.co.ug/mrtg/ We have seen some growth since the beginning of the year. Mainly GCC Traffic from what we can guess, but it's saving the ISP's real money these days. Hopefully once the RENU initiative takes off we can add the UCU

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread Richard Zulu
Kyle, Can you shade more light on what net neutrality models would be violated if access to local traffic was made cheaper? I concur with James, building a great internal network with high speeds and pushing for loads of local content to be accessed at low prices would be perfect. Lets face it,

Re: [LUG] Global Bandwidth

2013-07-23 Thread billyn...@gmail.com
Datanet wants to become a tripe play provider, so also own content. They make access to their content on their network free but access to youtube expensive net neutrality broken. On 23 July 2013 21:29, Richard Zulu richardz...@gmail.com wrote: Kyle, Can you shade more light on what net