Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 che to taka beshe i za 2.2.x ne prilicha na MS works ... prosto prekaleno mnogo neshta se razrabotwat nawednyv i dokato prawqt ednoto razwalqt drugo inache 2.4.x e velqzo az sym s 2.4 ot 2.4.2 nasam i sym mnogo dowolen (pone do kolkoto moga da byda dowolen de) ne che ne sym imal problemi ama si struwa ... zaradi wsichkite extri deto gi ima ... Íà ×åòâúðòúê 11 Îêòîìâðè 2001 12:51, âèå íàïèñàõòå: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora - -- - -=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=- Regards,AngelFire Stanislav Lechev[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: http://firedust.vega.bg/pgp/StanislavLechev.asc Vega Internet Service Provider (tm) -- http://www.vega.bg - -=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7xqn08RPXBhiMqewRAmtuAJ9aqWxSujwUEQ20sNUHknWG0h1XXwCeLv+A HQW/E16AdOv0jKMhHt+w3Tg= =8sGd -END PGP SIGNATURE- === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 daj primer za bozaw driver na kojto ne pishe EXPERIMENTAL !!! ??? Íà ×åòâúðòúê 11 Îêòîìâðè 2001 14:25, âèå íàïèñàõòå: E da, ama az sum kuh user. grin grin :))) I znam, che koeto e po-novo se svalia, zamestva staroto i raboti perfect greshkata im mai beshe, che se opitaha da nadminat Windows po broi supportvani devices i napuhaha sekvi boziavi driveri v kernela. karai... - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:51, you wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 drugi primeri sa 2.2.19 i .20 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( spokojno Teodore , znaesh 4e ne si prav :))) osnovniq problem na 2.4 beshe prenapisvaneto VM management coda, kato + tova mnogo byrzo se dobaviha edna torba drivers ... tova se otrazi na stabilnostta na 2.4.0 ...2.4.6/7. Ve4e 2.4.8 e korav kolkoto poslednite 2.2.x mozhe bi i po-koravi po-burz zavisi kakvo i na kakvo se testva. Imashe edna statiq ot edin core developer na freebsd VM , kudeto 4oveka syvsem bezpristrastno si opisva dobrite i loshite nesta na dvete kernels. Kakvo freebsd mozhe da nau4i ot linux i obratno... Po-negovi dumi : kogato trqbva da se pishe na swap-a , Linux bie vsi4kite v zemqta (tova zavisi i ot syotvetniq diskov driver de), kogato trqbwa da se tursi i vadi ot tam oba4e Linux 2.4 imashe seriozen problem... tova ve4e e fix-nato dostatu4no stabilno Koda na Linux kato cqlo e napisan izklu4itelno _4isto_ (ne nasledqva nqkoj star Unix kod) i promenite se pravqt sravnitelno lesno i byrzo... toj kazva 4e me4tae koda na VM na freebsd da byde tolkova 4isto napisan kato linuxkiq , i tova e edna ot celite kojto presledvat ... Prosto Linux e s naj-agresiven development kato skorost ot vsi4ki ostanali ... Pri takava golqma skorost nqkoj katastrofi sa neizbezhni, no te susto tolkova byrzo se fix-vat ... koito iska da sedi po-nazad , da 4ete LKML da tesva i da si precenqva === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora - -- - -=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=- Regards,AngelFire Stanislav Lechev[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: http://firedust.vega.bg/pgp/StanislavLechev.asc Vega Internet Service Provider (tm) -- http://www.vega.bg - -=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=-=#=- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7xqur8RPXBhiMqewRAnAMAJ0buMPT7j4E00KahLEFCboCMDzG3gCfejpv d2NVE/thfaHFv/3nGoEANoc= =s/cl -END PGP SIGNATURE- === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
RE: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
Ako si spomnqte i sys 2.2 kernelite imashe seriozni problemi nqkyde do kym 2.2.7-2.2.8. Spored men prosto trqbwa da izchakame Linus da predade poddryjkata na 2.4 na Alan, oshte 2-3 versii i neshtata shte sa solidni kolkoto sa i w 2.2. Inache 2.4.x (x7) ne e tolkowa losh kernel kolkoto mnogo hora si mislqt che e (poradi wpechatleniq ot 2.4.y (y8) ). Winagi ne e bilo preporychitelno za production sistema da e s kernel kojto e izleznal predi po-malko ot sedmica :) BR, Boyan -Original Message- From: Teodor Georgiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN -- Greets, fr33zb1 == = A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora == = A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
mi to ima super golqm bug v 2.2.18 po dobre update na 2.2.19 On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Teodor Georgiev wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
molia??? kvo obshto ima kernela s distroto? az puk si polzvam Linux Slackware 7.1, 2.2.18 kernel. moga da ti kazha, che imam niakolko mashini, deto ne sa MRUDNALI. no haide da ne pochva vechnoto kuromerene na tema Distro. - Original Message - From: ISM Kolemanov, Ivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: AW: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 za sazalenie trqbva da se saglasq :( zatova i polzvam linux samo za rabotna stanciq, vsichko vazno e na OBSD -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Teodor Georgiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2001 11:51 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
On Thursday 11 October 2001 13:45, you wrote: molia??? kvo obshto ima kernela s distroto? OBSD=OpenBSD (FreeBSD, OpenBSD i NetBSD imat razli4ni kernels:) az puk si polzvam Linux Slackware 7.1, 2.2.18 kernel. moga da ti kazha, che imam niakolko mashini, deto ne sa MRUDNALI. no haide da ne pochva vechnoto kuromerene na tema Distro. nqma sporove btw, ve4e poddruzhkata na 2.4 e predadena na Alan Cox, 2.5 e otkrit (tova ot dnes maj ) -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
slozhi 2.4.3 i provai da slozhish 2 CPU-ta. ili puk da pusnesh buren ftp upload... - Original Message - From: Georgi Chorbadzhiyski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 Na wsichki serveri si polzvam 2.4-current :) s izkliuchenie na edin ruter koito si kara s 2.2.19, Dosega ne sam imal problemi s 2.4 ne wizhdam kakvo tolkova losho ima v nego. Mashinite sa natovareni DB server, web serveri i razni drugi i si rabotiat kato pushka, 2.2 prosto ne izdarzheshe na DB servera koito redovno vlachi po nad 1.5k procesi Teodor Georgiev wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
che 2.4.3 otkoga e izliazul... meseci... prosto vsichko praviat prez prusti ne moi za 2-3 meseca da izliazat niakolko versii na kernela... smeshno e. Alis Microsoftska rabota :((( Chakame... Imashe edna pesen: All we can do is just sitting and waiting :))) - Original Message - From: Boyan Krosnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: RE: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 Ako si spomnqte i sys 2.2 kernelite imashe seriozni problemi nqkyde do kym 2.2.7-2.2.8. Spored men prosto trqbwa da izchakame Linus da predade poddryjkata na 2.4 na Alan, oshte 2-3 versii i neshtata shte sa solidni kolkoto sa i w 2.2. Inache 2.4.x (x7) ne e tolkowa losh kernel kolkoto mnogo hora si mislqt che e (poradi wpechatleniq ot 2.4.y (y8) ). Winagi ne e bilo preporychitelno za production sistema da e s kernel kojto e izleznal predi po-malko ot sedmica :) BR, Boyan -Original Message- From: Teodor Georgiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
- Original Message - From: Ivan Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 mi to ima super golqm bug v 2.2.18 po dobre update na 2.2.19 tui li??? kakuv? === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
E da, ama az sum kuh user. grin grin :))) I znam, che koeto e po-novo se svalia, zamestva staroto i raboti perfect greshkata im mai beshe, che se opitaha da nadminat Windows po broi supportvani devices i napuhaha sekvi boziavi driveri v kernela. karai... - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:51, you wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 drugi primeri sa 2.2.19 i .20 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( spokojno Teodore , znaesh 4e ne si prav :))) osnovniq problem na 2.4 beshe prenapisvaneto VM management coda, kato + tova mnogo byrzo se dobaviha edna torba drivers ... tova se otrazi na stabilnostta na 2.4.0 ...2.4.6/7. Ve4e 2.4.8 e korav kolkoto poslednite 2.2.x mozhe bi i po-koravi po-burz zavisi kakvo i na kakvo se testva. Imashe edna statiq ot edin core developer na freebsd VM , kudeto 4oveka syvsem bezpristrastno si opisva dobrite i loshite nesta na dvete kernels. Kakvo freebsd mozhe da nau4i ot linux i obratno... Po-negovi dumi : kogato trqbva da se pishe na swap-a , Linux bie vsi4kite v zemqta (tova zavisi i ot syotvetniq diskov driver de), kogato trqbwa da se tursi i vadi ot tam oba4e Linux 2.4 imashe seriozen problem... tova ve4e e fix-nato dostatu4no stabilno Koda na Linux kato cqlo e napisan izklu4itelno _4isto_ (ne nasledqva nqkoj star Unix kod) i promenite se pravqt sravnitelno lesno i byrzo... toj kazva 4e me4tae koda na VM na freebsd da byde tolkova 4isto napisan kato linuxkiq , i tova e edna ot celite kojto presledvat ... Prosto Linux e s naj-agresiven development kato skorost ot vsi4ki ostanali ... Pri takava golqma skorost nqkoj katastrofi sa neizbezhni, no te susto tolkova byrzo se fix-vat ... koito iska da sedi po-nazad , da 4ete LKML da tesva i da si precenqva === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
2.4.3 beshe tvyrde mlad za da go polzvam :) Kato si spomniam che 2.2. chak sled 2.2.12 beshe izpolzvaem a 2.4 pochnah da polzvam ot 2.4.4 (ili 2.4.5 mai) pravia izvoda che neshtata pochvat da se stabilizirat po-barzo. Teodor Georgiev wrote: slozhi 2.4.3 i provai da slozhish 2 CPU-ta. ili puk da pusnesh buren ftp upload... - Original Message - From: Georgi Chorbadzhiyski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 Na wsichki serveri si polzvam 2.4-current :) s izkliuchenie na edin ruter koito si kara s 2.2.19, Dosega ne sam imal problemi s 2.4 ne wizhdam kakvo tolkova losho ima v nego. Mashinite sa natovareni DB server, web serveri i razni drugi i si rabotiat kato pushka, 2.2 prosto ne izdarzheshe na DB servera koito redovno vlachi po nad 1.5k procesi Teodor Georgiev wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 11:37, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:00, you wrote: Zdrawejte Niakoj ima li ideia zashto ottegliha kernel 2.4.11 ot www.kernel.org ? BYE nqkoj problem4eta kato http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.1/0778.html vsustnost ve4e izleze 2.4.12 , a 2.4.11 ve4e e 2.4.11.dontuse novinata po4na da se razprostranqva de: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-11-007-20-NW-KN === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
Petko Boukov wrote: Tochno VM ponastoqshtem e qbylkata na razdora, ponezhe Linus dopusna generalni promeni syvsem kysno v stabilniq 2.4. Dokolkoto razbrah, v momenta dazhe na Linus i na Alan v klonovete ima razlichni implementacii na VM: ednata na Andrea Arcangely, a drugata - na Rik van Rijl (maj ne se pishat tochno taka, ama nqmam vreme da gi proverqvam). Vseki smqta, che negoviqt podhod e po-dobriqt i po-stabilniqt. A pyk po otnoshenie na koda, oshte ne moga da preodoleq shoka, sled kato vidqh Alan Cox kolko goto-ta izpolzva v tcp/ip stack-a i v ipc. goto e mnogo dobar operator kogato se izpolzva kakto triabva. Oprostiava koda i go pravi po optimalen. Tova che v niakoi ezici za programirane GOTO se izpolzva za shtialo i neshtialo izobshto ne namaliava poleznostta na operatora :) Ako triabva byrzo da izlezesh ot niakakyv loop i da zavurshish neshto po nai-logichniat nachin varshi chudesna rabota. === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
On Thursday 11 October 2001 14:25, you wrote: E da, ama az sum kuh user. grin grin :))) I znam, che koeto e po-novo se svalia, zamestva staroto i raboti perfect E tova ne e apriori viarno, no pone do momenta s linux( kernel-a imam predvid) s niakolko malki izklu4eniq e taka. Vypreki tova kogato neshto staro, poznato i izpitano raboti i vyrshi rabotata za koito e izbrano predi vreme da se izpolzva e po-uda4no da ne se podmenia.( Huh , toku niakoi me obvinil v prekomeren konservatizym ). Ako na tekushto izpolzvanoto reshenie mu lipsva funkcionalnost koiato ako ia imashe bi postigal po dobra proizvoditelnost/efectivnost v prilojnata oblast za koiato polzvash dadenoto reshenie , a po novoto predostavia tazi funcionalnost - Togava riska, vremeto i usiliata za preminavaneto kym po-novoto sa opravdani. greshkata im mai beshe, che se opitaha da nadminat Windows po broi supportvani devices i napuhaha sekvi boziavi driveri v kernela. karai... Spored men ne sa se opitvali da nadminat Win po supporvani devices. Dori oshte v poslednite 2.2.x imashe poddryjka za mnogo pove4e devices otkolkoto v Windows-ite( imam predvid dvirers koito idvat sys edno Windows instalacionno CD - vklu4itelno i driveri koito ne sa delo na M$ engenerite, a sa si na syotvetnata firma proizvoditel na HWD-to, no sa vklu4eni v distributiva ). Problema beshe 4e niakoi ot driverite ot 2.2.x triabva da se prerabotitat za da rabotitat s 2.4. a v niakoi sl. tova savsem ne e trivialna zada4a koiato moje da byde svyrshwna v ramkite na niakolko minuti,4asove,dni, meseci. Osven tova zavisi i ot vremeto s koeto razpolagat i jelanieto na developer-ite i maintainer-ite na syotvetnite driveri. Sigurno shteshe da ti e mnogo nepriatno ako imash ustroistvo XYZ koeto raboti pod 2.2.x perfectno i linus i sie izvadiat drivera za vyprosnoto ustroistvo ot current/tree zashtoto maintainer-a ne e imal vreme/jelanie da potvyrdi 4e vyprosnia driver raboti na 2.4 - a na vyprosnia driver ne sa mu neobhodimi specialni promeni za da raboti s 2.4 ( Az naprimer imam driver za SCSI koito e absolutno identi4en s tozi ot 2.2.x i raboti bezproblemno s 2.4.x - vytre sedi zabelejka , 4e ne e portnat za 2.4 i ne e intenzivno testavan za da se potvyrdi 4e raboti bezproblemno s 2.4). Tova spored men e dosta osnovatelna pri4ina v oficial kernel-a da ima driveri koito sa statuts unknown , koito v 2.2.x sa bili stable Novite driveri v 2.4.x sa predimno 4asti ot celi podsystemi: USB, Paralelnite portove i ustroistva syshto polzvat nova podsystema( Mnogo silno napodobiavashta Windowskata :) Ooops po skoro e realizirana taka kakto iziskvat IEEE1284.1 IEEE1284.2 i dory IEEE1284.3(za spravka W2K poddyrja samo DaisyChainning ot 1284.3 no ne i Multiplexing ) ). FireWire , i t.n. i t.n Ako novopoiavili si podsystemi ili otdelni driveri ti syzdavat problemi mojesh prosto na ne gi izpolzvash - vse edno 4e si s 2.2 i gi niama ili imat ograni4ena poddryjka.Tova ne bi triabvalo da e problem. Ima promeni po PCI interface-a , ACPI , PnP systemata i tova sa neshtata koito nalagat prenapisvane na otdelni driveri. - Original Message - From: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11 On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:51, you wrote: za men edin primer za zhelezen kernel e 2.2.18 drugi primeri sa 2.2.19 i .20 ne znam kakvo mislite vie, ama az lichno sum na mnenieto, che 2.4.x mu eba maikata na sichkoto :((( sichko pochna da prilicha na Microsoftska rabota - nedoizpipano, pusnato v burzinata, bugove, patchove den sled den valiat :( spokojno Teodore , znaesh 4e ne si prav :))) osnovniq problem na 2.4 beshe prenapisvaneto VM management coda, kato + tova mnogo byrzo se dobaviha edna torba drivers ... tova se otrazi na stabilnostta na 2.4.0 ...2.4.6/7. Ve4e 2.4.8 e korav kolkoto poslednite 2.2.x mozhe bi i po-koravi po-burz zavisi kakvo i na kakvo se testva. Imashe edna statiq ot edin core developer na freebsd VM , kudeto 4oveka syvsem bezpristrastno si opisva dobrite i loshite nesta na dvete kernels. Kakvo freebsd mozhe da nau4i ot linux i obratno... Po-negovi dumi : kogato trqbva da se pishe na swap-a , Linux bie vsi4kite v zemqta (tova zavisi i ot syotvetniq diskov driver de), kogato trqbwa da se tursi i vadi ot tam oba4e Linux 2.4 imashe seriozen problem... tova ve4e e fix-nato dostatu4no stabilno Koda na Linux kato cqlo e napisan izklu4itelno _4isto_ (ne nasledqva nqkoj star Unix kod) i promenite se pravqt sravnitelno lesno i byrzo... toj kazva 4e me4tae koda na VM na freebsd da byde tolkova 4isto napisan kato linuxkiq , i tova e edna ot celite kojto presledvat ... Prosto Linux e s naj-agresiven development kato skorost ot vsi4ki ostanali ... Pri takava golqma skorost nqkoj katastrofi sa neizbezhni, no te susto tolkova byrzo se fix-vat ... koito iska
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
On Thursday 11 October 2001 14:08, you wrote: che 2.4.3 otkoga e izliazul... meseci... prosto vsichko praviat prez prusti ne moi za 2-3 meseca da izliazat niakolko versii na kernela... smeshno e. Alis Microsoftska rabota :((( Az po edno vreme slediah 4estotata s koiato izlizat patch-levels. Po skoro mi se nabi na o4i 4e ilzizat priblizitelno po 1 na mesec okolo 20-to 4islo.( tova ot 2.4.4 do 2.4.9 - 2.4.10 otne malko pove4e vreme ). I po skoro bi triabvalo da se radvame na po 4esti patch-ove. Code bez bugs ima li ?!!!. I sravnenie s M$ e dosta neuda4no :) Za po4ti 2 godini BUG2K e stignal edva do SP2.( Tova savsem ne zna4i 4e niama dostaty4no bugs za da se stigne do SP1002 ) - problema e 4e niama koi da puska SPs. Chakame... Ako ne ti se 4aka : vi /usr/src/linux/bogus-code.c gcc -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I/usr/src/linux $CFLAGS -pipe -c /usr/src/linux/bogus-code.c 4akat Win Luserite :) I te bi triabvalo principno da imat pravo da se oplakvat, 4e 4akat zashtoto sa si platili za The Best PC OS i poddryjka za neia.( Vsyshnost ako vnimatelno si pro4etat lincensnoto sporozumenie shte im stane iasno , 4e ne polu4avat pove4e garancii i poddryjka otkolkoto ako si instalirat neshto OpenSource/GPL ). Imashe edna pesen: All we can do is just sitting and waiting :))) === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
Re: lug-bg: Kernel 2.4.11
On Thursday 11 October 2001 20:39, you wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2001 14:25, you wrote: E da, ama az sum kuh user. grin grin :))) I znam, che koeto e po-novo se svalia, zamestva staroto i raboti perfect E tova ne e apriori viarno, no pone do momenta s linux( kernel-a imam predvid) s niakolko malki izklu4eniq e taka. Vypreki tova kogato neshto staro, poznato i izpitano raboti i vyrshi rabotata za koito e izbrano predi vreme da se izpolzva e po-uda4no da ne se podmenia.( Huh , toku niakoi me obvinil v prekomeren konservatizym ). iii Angele, napravo mi ubivash samo4uvstvieto kato zamesh da govorish za kernel internals ... ti da ne si revizirash koda na kernela i da customize-vash tuk tam ... :) -- Greets, fr33zb1 === A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
