[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread gary digman
I'm a little perplexed by this discussion. Is the assertion being made that lutenists who played 10c lutes at the inception of these instruments only played music specifically written for 10c and ceased playing music that appeared before unless they also had a 6c, 7c or 8c instrument? In the 10c

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread Daniel Winheld
This slow you down aspect is one that I am finally able to address personally after over 35 years of lute playing. I finally got my first 7 course lute last year; an Andreas Holst, 62 cm. SL. All my previous R lutes- 57 to 72 cm- had all been 8 course. (I'm not counting the 10 course and

[LUTE] Re: So...i cant take the lute with me :-(

2007-11-29 Thread Taco Walstra
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:32, Omer katzir rattled on the keyboard: And for three days (27-29.12) i'm going to be alone in brussels. Any one knows about good lute concerts there in those dates? damn... I'm going to miss my precious Francesca. And if i mentioned her name... any one

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread dc
Luca Manassero écrit: I made the same question to the French-speaking lute list about 18 months ago. Where is this French lute-list? Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread Luca Manassero
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/ Luca dc on 29-11-2007 10:29 wrote: Luca Manassero écrit: I made the same question to the French-speaking lute list about 18 months ago. Where is this French lute-list? Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread vance wood
So really it is more a head issue than a tactile one? Interesting but understandable. I have always had problems playing something on someone else's instruments right out of the gate. One has to get acquainted with the Lute to play it, it seems to me. vw - Original Message - From:

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martin and All I go regularly to an amateur music salon, once a month, where I have the good fortune of hearing a lutist who can choose between 33 lutes (including 3 Baroque Malers, and 4 Baroque Freis) according to the repertoire he is playing. He usually does make judicious choices,

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread Sean Smith
Yep, I've followed this baby too. And thought it finally almost settled down till these paragraphs, Vance. So if you or anyone else could explain to me how an eight course instrument can slow you down I would be most appreciative. It seems to me that a six course instrument would have

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I can't argue with the experience and ears of others, but I have to admit I'm a bit surprised by many of the statements being made about the huge differences between 6, 7 and 8 course instruments in terms of playability and inherent sound. My first real lute was an old 10 course that Pat

[BAROQUE-LUTE] 13 course rider/swan

2007-11-29 Thread T. Diehl-Peshkur
Dear all, I know this subject has been discussed before, and I have recently followed the interesting discussions on the d minor continuo lute the last week. However, regarding the choice of rider vs. swan necked instruments for solo work, I have checked the archives, but I still have some doubts

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-29 Thread vance wood
Sean: I understand, a six course instrument is the appropriate instrument for the music you choose to play. But let us assume you also wished to play Molinaro---not good fair for the six course instrument. I know one size fits all is an awful choice given all of the subtleties of period

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard? (fwd)

2007-11-29 Thread vance wood
The Cambridge Manuscript seems to indicate that the latest Dowland of the time was grouped together with F. DaMilano in the same book. VW - Original Message - From: Wayne Cripps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard? (fwd)

2007-11-29 Thread howard posner
On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: I would think that in the old times, a lutenist would mostly play music from his or her time. They obviously would not play anything from their future, but I am sure they were mostly not too interested in music of the past, except perhaps for

[LUTE] Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
Wayne, Yes and no. Certainly, lutenists of the past were not into early music the way we are now, but many of the greatest hits of past eras remained popular well into periods in which the mainstream style - or the lute itself - was quite different. Just look at the Augsberg manuscript

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread howard posner
On Nov 29, 2007, at 2:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also believe this road of super-specialization (i.e. _must_ use a 7-course for this piece, _only_ a 9-course for this..., etc.) is an _extremely_ dangerous road to go down for the entire field. ** * How can you

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread Edward Martin
Chris, Danny, Dan, et al, Very well stated!! Ditto!! I am surprised at some of the remarks, although very friendly civil, of disdain for 8 course lutes, as only Molinaro or Terzi used them. For example, labeling it inappropriate to play Dowland on an 8 course lute, in that 7 course lutes

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread David Rastall
On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:55 PM, howard posner wrote: Lots of blues or country guitarists are more picky about their instruments than lute players are. No pun intended, I hope... DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread David Rastall
On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...How can you program a whole concert that features, for example, Italian Music, 1538-42 or German Music, 1712-20 and have it interest anyone but diehard specialists? I personally love music from both of these

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread David Tayler
One can have a lovely program that is a stitch in time that is not just lute solos. I think most entertainments would have had songs and consorts. The lute preludes ricercars might just be the ideal glue, but not the whole horse. dt At 07:59 PM 11/29/2007, you wrote: On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:16

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
Howard, --- howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, really bad example. Lots of ensembles do German Music, 1712-1720. They title it Complete Brandenburgs and sell lots of tickets. But this isn't quite fair - Bach and Brandenburg Concerto are names people recognize. Beatles

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread howard posner
On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, really bad example. Lots of ensembles do German Music, 1712-1720. They title it Complete Brandenburgs and sell lots of tickets. But this isn't quite fair - Bach and Brandenburg Concerto are names people recognize. You

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread chriswilke
David, --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again, point taken. But it's not all that way. Consider Piazzolla: he's a cultural force. Listening to L'Histoire du Tango is for me like strolling through a gallery of

[LUTE] Re: Specialization (was: 8-course?)

2007-11-29 Thread Daniel Winheld
In this somewhat nihilistically arcane vein I recall Dmitri Shostakovich's instructions on playing his 15th string quartet: I want you to play it so that flies drop dead in midair, and that by the end of the first movement the entire audience has gotten up and left the building. -as best as I