On Feb 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
> We also have to remember that the Old Ones didn't have highly
> engineered twist drills for every 0.1mm, so they may well have
> drilled some oversize holes as a matter of technical practicality.
> The small holes can be explained by increased
Anthony,
I know these articles very well, but they don't answer some very difficult
questions. As I repeatedly say, I am not against this theory. What I am only
asking for is to call this hypothesis a hypothesis, taking into account the
present state of research. That's all! I don't think it's
Dear Edward,
The answer is that we are really not certain if strings were loaded, and
there is evidence showing they were, as well as evidence to the contrary.
Until we have definitive answers, we do not know what was used.
I agree with you absolutely. As the lute players we choose the type o
The string must still be secured in the bridge in the
conventional way.
I find that even with very high torsion strings that 1.75mm is
the maximum
that one can bend and manipulate. And that happens to be what
I end
up with as my 11th course. So here is a piece of practical
information
based
Measure the holes, examine the marks, scratches, toolmarks, analyze
the strings, analyze the wood near the strings for trace residue,
etc, etc, it is all very basic research.
The biggest chunk of information will be a clearer picture of
reentrant tuning. When I used to look at these instruments
Le 28 févr. 09 à 23:39, alexander a écrit :
> http://www.aquilacorde.com/articles4.htm
And you can see Mimmo taking various measurements, explained in the
article above at this link :
http://www.aquilacorde.com/researches.htm
Note that he does not just measure lute bridge holes. The same
My dear Watson,
The logic is clear enough - you can put a thin string through a bigger
hole, but not vice-versa. So if we have some well authenticated
original bridges with small holes (a few would do - it doesn't have to
be a majority) then we have to explain this. We also have to remember
http://www.aquilacorde.com/articles4.htm
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:36:10 +0100
Jarosław Lipski wrote:
> Mimmo told me that he actually checked 70 lutes from which only 50% had
> original bridges. On the total, 13 were 13 course -lutes (not important
> here); 13 were 11 course lutes (d minor, of
Mimmo told me that he actually checked 70 lutes from which only 50% had
original bridges. On the total, 13 were 13 course -lutes (not important
here); 13 were 11 course lutes (d minor, of course) ; 3 with 10 course, 1
with 12 courses and short extended neck (like the Gaultier English engraving
I follow this discussion with great interest. IO am certainly no gut
researcher, but my friend Dan Larson is. I have loaded gut, dense gut,
pistoy gut, gimped gut, etc. I use it because it is the best sound. I
have used gut in performance for the past 14-15 years, and for me, I have
difficu
Dear colleagues and especially our esteemed stringmaker/researchers; as
regards the present big question- "Was they WAS, or was they WASN'T,
loaded? In our search for evidence, and evaluation of same, let's also
keep in mind the famous dictum of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, as channeled
We do know that Mimmo and others have measured a bunch. More than
just a few, but of course not all them. (We don't even have all of
them.) What would be real significant would be any old bridges that
deviate from this- big holes for big gut strings. THAT would provide
fuel for some real luteli
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009, Anthony Hind said:
> Dana
> I was quoting Daniel.
Sorry, I messed up by leaving the attribution line in.
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>>How many lutes were mesured for bridge hole's
>>diameter? 10, 20 or 30?
I dnot see that we need a complete or even a substantial survey.
Any instance where the bridge was conceived as we see it and the diapason
holes are significantly smaller than the holes for stoped basses is
evidence tht
Dear Damian
I am looking forward to seeing and hearing your high
torsion highly supple strings.
I do feel that any solution that can allow lutenists to have pure gut
basses on a Charles Mouton size lute can only be a great advantage.
This must have been a real challenge for string mak
Very well put, Stewart ! All these documents from the past are worth our
respect and gratefulness indeed, and who are we, more than three hundred years
later, to detemnine that this one is reliable and this one is not.. As far
as I know, Mersenne, Mace, Praetorius and quite a few more, are t
Dear Jaroslaw
Le 28 févr. 09 à 01:35, Jarosław Lipski a écrit :
Dear Anthony,
I really didn't want to rehash and old discussion (just wanted to
share an interesting picture), but in a way I am beeing forced to
reply, by your claims that finaly we found the satisfactory and
historicaly cor
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