Of the last 100 individuals to post to this list, 95 were men. Is this
representative of the wider lute world? Any ideas why?
Peter
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From: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com
To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:54 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Imbalance
Of the last
It is indeed a sad story. I suspect this is also the case in the classical
guitar world which may have a knock on effect. It's still a man's world.
Monica
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I remember my mother, who majored in music before she quit Cardinal Stritch
College back in the 1940s to get married (mistake?), that a famous composer
(forgot the name) was asked why there were no superfamous women composers.
His answer went something like this---men pursue music. Woman ARE
It's no big deal. Some instruments attract different sexes. Flutes for
instance attract girls more than boys, well at least in the schools
I've had anything to do with over the years. Same with clarinet. I
don't know why.
Like the man said, we can only please some of the people
It's all John Dowland's fault... His My Lord Chamberlain, His Galliard (an
invention for two to play upon one lute) made them forever afraid of a bearded
smelly lute teacher, (who desperately needs his shirt ironed) approach them
from behind... alexander
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:00:25 +0100
Rob
I am not sure about this but I think it has something to do with gender
stereotyping of musical instruments.
Women succeed as pianists, violinists, cellists, not to mention singers but
not until fairly recently perhaps as lutenists. Not to mention tuba
players.
As far as composing goes,
The Harp lists are almost the opposite.
Craig
Craig R. Pierpont
Another Era Lutherie
www.anotherera.com
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Peter Martin peter.l...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Imbalance
To: Lute list
Ah yes - but you forget the possibility of said lute teacher being
attractive ...there are some people one would consider taking up the
instrument to play said duet with ...
(Adding an extra female voice into the mix)
Elly
It's all John Dowland's fault... His My Lord Chamberlain, His
I think this is exacerbated by the fact that the original statistic was
collected via an electronic forum and isn't necessarily representative.
Electronic forums are yet another thing that seems to be male-centric.
Women seem to be doing pretty well in the modern classical guitar world
right now.
Recently, the harpsichord list has been castigating itself for its
excessive 'macho-ness' and lack of female participants.
Also - I've been thinking how early music email lists take on the
characteristics of the instrument they discuss - like dogs and their
owners resembling each other.
I have 3 students now - 2 women, one man.
ed
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Of the last 100 individuals to post to this list, 95 were men. Is this
representative of the wider lute world? Any
Recently, the harpsichord list has been castigating itself for its
excessive 'macho-ness' and lack of female participants.
which is curious, I have known about as many female keboard players as
male; perhaps it reflects the greater likelyhood of males being online
rather than males playing the
No early brass list that I'm aware of. I wish were. We could have endless
discussions on the appropriateness of spit valves on sackbuts and what have
you:-)
There's no serpent list. There is a Serpent Forum, which is Web-based
discussion forum, not an e-mail list. Pretty heavily tilted towards
There is probably as much women playing lute as men but they don't spend so
many time on the net ?
Val ;-
(in France many woman players, and teachers ! perhaps more than men)
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It's no big deal. Some instruments attract different sexes. Flutes
for
instance attract girls more than boys, well at least in the schools
I've had anything to do with over the years. Same with clarinet. I
don't know why.
It takes a certain arm length and handspread to play some
At the risk of being called politically incorrect, I would note the
observation and say OK, nothing wrong here. There seems to be this
assumption that we -should- have more women, though, for the life of me
I am not sure why (aside from the obvious nooky issue). After all, it
is not as if
hey guys
I do not ask too many questions, but certainly I do read the posts!
If you want to find losts of lute-ladies check [1]lutegroup.ning.com,
even with photos!
:-)
aura
2009/9/10 [2]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Recently, the harpsichord list has been
Dear Monica,
I don't think it is sad at all. We all have the opportunity to
contribute to this list, whether we are men or women. The choice is
ours. If there happen to be more men than women in Peter Martin's
sample, so be it. That's the way it is.
You could as well do a survey, as I did some
From a female list reader:
I do not ask too many questions, but certainly I do read the posts!
On a variety of topics I think it is important for those who
actively participate to remember the *large* fraction of
people reading the list who never or rarely speak up. I
imagine that of the
Suzanne,
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Suzanne and Wayne angevin...@att.net wrote:
Once you've been lurking on this list for awhile, you
learn
that it has a male geek bias.
I can't believe this! I'm utterly shocked to be hearing this information for
the first time! Well, OK, let's put this to the
Yes, I confirm, no beard.
I think one reason is hands; though I can play, I sometimes think having one
or two centimeters more in my fingers would be very handy and make things
easier, but in that case I would look like a monster, being a woman..
Second reason, yes, it's a male world, just
Wow - I seem to have put my foot in it here! As usual!
Historically speaking - yes there were all these women who played the lute -
but they didn't earn their living doing it. Most of them played in the
private domestic sphere. The same is true of the guitar.
Today - yes there are women
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote:
Once you've been lurking on this list for awhile, you learn
that it has a male geek bias.
I've never expressed an opinion in favor of male geeks on this list.
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I'm not sure why this thread is taking place. Women are certainly not
victims of any sort of discrimination. Do we care how many of our
lute-playing colleagues are left-handed, Black, gay, moustachioed?
Joseph Mayes
On 9/10/09 1:01 PM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Wow - I seem to
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Mayes wrote:
Do we care how many of our
lute-playing colleagues are left-handed, Black, gay, moustachioed?
Yes, no, no and yes, respectively, judging from recent posts.
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There are certainly other forms of humor present on this list besides
American male high tech culture. For example, that of a lawyer
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On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote:
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Behalf Of Mayes
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Monica Hall; Stewart McCoy
Cc: Lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Imbalance
I'm not sure why this thread is taking place. Women are
Actually, the man said you can please all of the people some of the
time and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all
of the people all of the time.
However, I find experientially that Rob's more modest goal is closer to
the truth.
Rob MacKillop
Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk 9/10/2009 10:16 AM
Recently, the harpsichord list has been castigating itself for its
excessive 'macho-ness' and lack of female participants.
Also - I've been thinking how early music email lists take on the
characteristics of the
Hi Everyone,
As Laura pointed out, there are many females on Lute-ning.com that play the
lute and several more that have a great interest. I would love to see more
females on both lists to even the balance.
It has been mentioned that the flute and harp are considered as having
female bias. So
Contorted and wrapped tightly in black leather:-)
(Full disclosure: I play the serpent and occasionally participate in the
forums).
Guy
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Of Christopher Stetson
Sent: Thursday, September 10,
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote:
It has been mentioned that the flute and harp are considered as having
female bias. So what is preventing females learning to play the lute?
Geez Louise, guys. Someone wrote that 95 of the most recent 100
posts were from men. That highly
Now, you have destroyed my contentment!
Joseph
On 9/10/09 2:00 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu wrote:
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Mayes
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Monica Hall;
aha
thanks for the compliments :-)
After playing classical guitar most of my life, I definitely cut my
nails when I picked the lute, in 1999.
Thumb under.
and maybe some guts (not the strings...)
Even if I can't play too well, I try to put my soul in it, to
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Laura Maschi wrote:
Even if I can't play too well, I try to put my soul in it,
You and Voldemort...
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hahahahahahah
is it too obvious that I love Harry PotterI didn't tell anybody!
2009/9/10 howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Laura Maschi wrote:
Even if I can't play too well, I try to put my soul in it,
You and Voldemort...
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The conversion table of is very good; thank you Bill!
Hi Leonard,
Savarez uses for wound strings a special parameter PUL =weight per unit
length. A Savarez string NFA 150 has a PUL of 150.
You can easily calculate the equivalent solid gut diameter Deq of the
string from PUL by
......maybe this is a woman-engineers thing...I'm an engineer too.
And you are right about the male geek world ;-)
Laura
(no moustache, no beard, just for the stats)
2009/9/10 Suzanne and Wayne [1]angevin...@att.net
From a female list reader:
I do not ask too
Hello Chris,
Since you are actively engaged in scholarly pursuits regarding the lute,
have you run into any decomposing lute composers who have been found to be
women?
I only have music by Madamoiselle Bocquet. Are there others that you can
identify?
There have got to be others. Or is it
For starters, lets assume Mark meant women composers of lute music,
perhaps either living or historical. Occasionally, women performers
(of various instruments) will take up the theme of music written by
women.
For example, at the last major Lute Fest in Cleveland last year,
Elizabeth C. D.
This is a real problem, and not a simple one. I'm not the expert
here, obviously, and never will be, but I have some indirect experience.
On the one hand, the lute model is the opposite of the viol model.
Many women play the viol, and the organization of the societies for
viol encourages
Hi Suzanne,
Suzanne Bloch (daughter of Ernest Bloch and student of Diana
Poulton) composed some lute pieces. By the way, I would be interested
to have a look at your pieces. Might that be possible?
Best regards
Franz
ooops... as it seems Suzanne Bloch was not a student of Diana Poulton,
but, in part together with her, one of the early modern pioneers of
lute playing (sorry, I am a beginner...)... got the info from
[1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/Q/1996/LSAQ31-07-1996-
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