[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread David Smith
Excuse me for what may be a stupid question but which manuscripts are Paris BN 1575 and BN 25391? I have tried to search for these using Google with no success. Where are they located, names, and are they available? Regards David Smith -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [m

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
> I would object to the idea that some > version is a "rewrite" of another version. I take all three version > (guitar/theorbo/score) as renderings of the same compositional idea. A bit more than that, no? Exact transpositions of the same pieces, I'd say. Perhaps we won't be able to tell which was

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute & string length

2011-08-11 Thread Leonard Williams
A fellow named Greg Irwin has a series of hand/finger exercises on YouTube which are quite challenging, not damaging (as far as I can tell). Regards, Leonard Williams On 8/11/11 3:59 AM, "David van Ooijen" wrote: > On 10 August 2011 22:42, wrote: >> Take great care with stretching exercises

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:05:19 +0200, Mathias Rösel wrote > > > I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en > > > Partition Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar > > > is not mentioned. > > > > I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686.

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
> > I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en > > Partition Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar > > is not mentioned. > > I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686. No theorbo > mentioned in those. That being so, it was off-topic

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:28:40 +0200, Mathias Rösel wrote > I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en Partition > Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar is not > mentioned. I was speaking of the two printed guitar books from 1682 and 1686. No theorbo menti

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
Chris, Ralf, I was speaking of the "Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth, Mises en Partition Dessus et Basse", 1716 (facsimile Madrid, 1983). The guitar is not mentioned. One might take this to suggest that de Visée himself viewed the pieces as theorbo and lute music. In his 1983 preface, Juan Marcos rem

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Wilke wrote > Mathias, > > --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Mathias Rösel > wrote: > > > The theorbo pieces of de Visée's publication en > > musique stand a 4th > > higher than the correspondent tablature versions. > > > > Can the transposition of a 4th

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Christopher Wilke
Mathias, --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Mathias Rösel wrote: > The theorbo pieces of de Visée's publication en > musique stand a 4th > higher than the correspondent tablature versions. > Can the transposition of a 4th "en musique" be because deVisee was using his guitar pieces as his reference point? 

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute & string length

2011-08-11 Thread Eugene Kurenko
It may take few month to achieve good level of stretching. But one should work very carefuly and slowly. Every day or (better) few times a day regulary. Good warming-up before and massage with some hand-cream (I used baby oil) after stretching. Dowland and many others are possible e

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
> "Historical practice" was tuning small theorbos in dm, although even this is not > very certain (it's mostly based on a few examples, like the pieces by visee which > exist in staff notation and theorbo tablature). That's news to me, indeed. There is a theory that some theorbos were tuned in D,

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread David Smith
Just for clarity, I am working on the solo music. Once I am comfortable with that I can proceed to continuo. Thanks for the suggestions! Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Taco Walstra Sent: Thursday, August 11,

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute & string length

2011-08-11 Thread David van Ooijen
On 10 August 2011 22:42, wrote: > Take great care with stretching exercises of the hand!! I deal fairly often > with musicians' injuries, and musicians are nearly as bad as competitive > athletes as far as abusing their bodies to try to get better performance. I second that: take care with str

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Taco Walstra
On 08/11/2011 09:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Playing close to the bridge is a story in itself. It's not proved that it was common practice on theorbo. It's logical however, but playing with nails was perhaps also used, or both. What you call "historical practice... only lower the first course.

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2011-08-11 Thread Ed Durbrow
Thank you Alan. That was it! On Aug 11, 2011, at 1:47 AM, Alan Hoyle wrote: I think if you tick the box to the left of 'En cochent...', it will then work; at least, it just has for me. All you will be doing by ticking is agreeing to the usual amateur undertaking Ed Durbro

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Taco Walstra
On 08/10/2011 07:54 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Hi, I've the same type of S&S theorbo, but in a 7+7 setup. Indeed it's a bit of searching for the right (5), 6 and 7th gutstringtype/diameter with the relative short 76 cm. I'm using only a loaded gut on the G (7th). This string behaves rather di