[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes

2012-07-20 Thread Ron Andrico
We have posted our Saturday morning quotes, this week more on loud versus quiet. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-sG Ron & Donna -- References Visible links 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-sG Hidden links: 2. http://http://wp.me/p15OyV-sG To get on or off this list see list informatio

[LUTE] Palero, Francisco Fernández - Tiento del Tercer Tono

2012-07-20 Thread Anton Höger
hi, I uploaded a new intavolation for lute duet (Unisono) --- Palero, Francisco Fernández - Tiento del Tercer Tono -- Enjoy it Anton score, parts, mp3 and guitar transcription http://imslp.org/wiki/Tiento_del_Tercer_Tono_%28Fern%C3%A1ndez_Palero,_Francisco%29#IMSLP243233 -- To get on o

[LUTE] Gabrieli, Giovanni - Ricercar

2012-07-20 Thread Anton Höger
hi, I uploaded a new intavolation for lute duet (Ad Quartam) --- Gabrieli, Giovanni - Ricercar -- Enjoy it Anton http://imslp.org/wiki/Ricercare_%28Canzon%29_%28Gabrieli,_Giovanni%29 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.h

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Luis, We live in very different times. In past people were accustomed to things that we wouldn't tolerate. As far as I know many people were portrait with real instruments, otherwise we could say that all iconography is rubbish. Is portrait of Moutton just a rubbish? Was he holding a prop? A ve

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Louis Aull
Jaroslaw, Just conjecture, but I would not use a working instrument to pose for many hours for a painting of this detail. I keep mine in a case at all times it is not being played to help keep it in tune. Do you think she would tolerate a lute of her own that dirty? In that dress?

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Yes, but Eleonore was musical and could play, so the question is why she would borrow a strangely looking prop lute instead of the instrument that she new how to play. Normally a musician wants to be pictured with his own instrument. I am not saying that everything looks correct in this lute for

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread wayne cripps
There is a picture in the National Gallery of Scotland of a woman playing a theorbo, with the comment that she couldn't play, she borrowed it for the painting, and then she didn't return it. I didn't make a note of the details, but it was in a book catalog of the museum. Wayne Begin forwarded

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Thank you Martyn, Sorry, I've pushed the button too early by mistake. No, I am sorry, unfortunately it is not known to me, but I can't see the reason for which she would take for a portrait an instrument that she didn't play instead of an instrument that she did. Jaroslaw Wiadomo¶æ napisana pr

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Thank you Martyn, No, I am sorry, unfortunately it is not known to me. Jaroslaw Wiadomo¶æ napisana przez Martyn Hodgson w dniu 20 lip 2012, o godz. 18:46: > Thank you Jaroslaw, > > You write 'There is a strong evidence that Eleonore very often accompanied > Elisabeth and two Ladies made mus

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Just another thought. Eleonore married Detrich von Keyserling who was a very close friend of Frederick II. In 1744 she gave birth to her daughter Adelaide. Frederick decided to be Adelaide's godfather and during the baptism ceremony he was keeping the child in his arms. Soon Keyserlings were mo

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Louis Aull
Jarislow, Certain things do stand out as accurate: 1) Lay a ruler down the edge of the fingerboard on both sides, these coincide with edges of the bridge. The neck was originally a baroque lute with a bent neck. The artist does not bother to correct the un-esthetic crossi

[LUTE] concert Th. Dunford online

2012-07-20 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Aloha! I would like to share with you a link from the francophone lute group http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/em/concert-midi/emission.php?e_id=8055&d_id=515000754 Click on "(ré)écouter l'émission" It is a solo concert (Dowland and a contemporary composer) by a very gifted youn

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Hello Martyn, It is just a painting, so we can't judge its credibility by making measurements . In a praxis of painting sometimes it's just a matter of adding a little bit more of a dark paint beneath the string (and there is already a dark background there so he might have thought it satisfie

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Mathias Rösel
>Let us suppose, for a moment, that the two missing strings are replaced >- Assuming that they are two single strings, that would give 10 courses >on the first pegbox. That seems rather a lot to me - I'm not aware of >any instrument of this kind (archlute, theorbo, swan-neck) that

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
I understand that you would always have 8+4 setting. The only thing is that one would have to rearrange couple of courses when changing from continuo to solo and back. However after some time of examining very closely the pegbox I am more inclined to say that there is something on the treble sid

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thanks for this Jaroslaw, You may be right, but Pesne wouldn't be the first good painter to get a technical details wrong - perhaps of no real consequence to him. But if it is an absolutley precise depiction then some worrying things about the general disposition of the instrument

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread William Samson
Let us suppose, for a moment, that the two missing strings are replaced - Assuming that they are two single strings, that would give 10 courses on the first pegbox. That seems rather a lot to me - I'm not aware of any instrument of this kind (archlute, theorbo, swan-neck) that has 10

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Yes, I agree more or less. The only thing that I am not sure of is whether 2 first grooves on the nut are far apart because this is how they were in reality, or Pesne didn't bother to depict a proper spacing. So it could be either swan neck 13c (14c?) modified for continuo, or a German d-minor

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Dear Martyn, It may look very incorrect however we have to keep in mind that a painting is not a photograph. A painter has other goals to achieve. We can examine some interesting details of paintings, but coming into direct conclusions is another matter. First of all, Antoine Pesne who was the

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Jaroslaw, It may be some sort of sport (in a modern biological sense), but I suspect either the painter didn't quite get it right - see how the first string is fastened not to the to the body of the bridge but to the treble point! - or the neck is indeed incorrectly set (maybe