[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many stylistic traits characteristic of him. I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread wayne cripps
Begin forwarded message: From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many stylistic traits

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Well yes, actually. There is a complete listing of the pieces in the manuscript and the attributionw whenever possible in Sources Manuscrites en Tablature, luth et théorbe, Catalogue descriptif Editions V. Koerner : Baden Baden et Bouxwiller, 1991. Ms 6211 is presented on pages 198 - 141 by

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Merci, Jean-Marie! We find the dépouillement also here: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=F-Pn6211lang=deushowmss=1 I've never seen a composer named Lamare Le Gras in an other ms. There is one piece ascribed to Mesangeau (some are ascribed in other sources to Mesangeau.) One of the

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Lex van Sante
Begin doorgestuurd bericht: Van: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com Datum: 21 april 2014 16:24:44 GMT+02:00 Aan: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Onderwerp: Antw.: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau Mathias, I understand what you mean but for instance in Bittner's book

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Lex van Sante
Begin doorgestuurd bericht: Van: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com Datum: 21 april 2014 16:39:59 GMT+02:00 Aan: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Onderwerp: Antw.: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau The PAN database lists a concordance for Barython as D-Kl 2° Ms. Mus. 61.L1 The

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
I understand what you mean but for instance in Bittner's book there is also a piece with the name Tombeau In France this would be named Tombeau de Bittner. Just like Courante de Gaultier for instance. I was only suggesting a possibility. Mesangeau could be the composer or he could be the

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Markus Lutz
In the catalogue by Brossard from 1724 (also online at Gallica) we find exactly this thoughts. As far as I can understand - my French is very poor - Brossard writes about this tombeaux (page 379, II°), that it could be on the death of Mesangeau or it could be written by him. Brossard, who

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
The passage which Markus refers to is at p. 379 in Brossard's Catalogue and apllies t the manuscript which is now known as Vm7 6211 which one of Brossard's books. Here is my quick translation of this passage : There is also a piece entitled Tombeau de Mezangeau, but if this piece was composed

[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Some examples Tombeau de Turenne. Allemande du V.Gallot Tombeau de Lauffenst: (41) (Lauffensteiner) : this is a piece by Lauffensteiner! Tombeau de la Reine de Prusse ( Tombeau des Muses Franc,oises par Mr Gallot Vieux Le Tombeau de Gauttier : (Krakow) a piece by Gaultier!