[LUTE] Lines, Colors etc.

2018-01-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
This is a pretty difficult question, but I'd like to hear some thoughts. As you might know there are people more or less on the synaesthetic side. Such perception is no doubt to be looked for in Early Music too. The Lute is also an instrument that furthers synaesthetics, due to the fine colors

[LUTE] Re: Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-21 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Ad 1. It didn't. At least, not in Italy. May I add that I play a copy of a Sellas liuto attiorbato with double first. And it's sheer joy as it tends t to kinda "sing". Ad 2. My guess is that players tended to prefer the single first because it strikes the ear when the first course

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Very interesting, Arthur. I read this article yesterday, it would be interesting to hear what you have to say about it. As a musicologist student, I learned that style criticism should be avoided because it cannot be valid evidence. The original question however was if the grouping of the

[LUTE] Double first courses (chanterelles)

2018-01-21 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Collective wisdom, When did double first courses cease to exist on renaissance lutes? We know from early on, and from the middle ages, they were double strung on every course, including the treble. In terms of iconographical evidence, I looked at the Caravaggio "Lute

[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness
Hi Ron, I need to reply to your comment and will do so tomorrow, since today has been a bit busy for me. The thrust of Victor's comments are bizarre and I think you don't understand what he's saying. He's advocating a corrupt source as the "authoritative" version of a

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness
Tristan, Cavalcanti isn't a very exciting manuscript. It has some Francesco (including the duets, canon and spagna), but with lots of mistakes. Some ricercars attributed to FdaM are in fact intabulations. The book was prepared dated 1590 for Rafaello Cavalcanti when the was

[LUTE] Re: L'Espagnolle

2018-01-21 Thread Rainer
Apparent5l, Andre Souris didn't know this either. After all, he was Belgian :) Rainer On 21.01.2018 15:39, David van Ooijen wrote: I understand these as 'French' 1st and 2nd endings, where the second ending is written first, and the first ending written last. You find these a lot

[LUTE] Re: L'Espagnolle

2018-01-21 Thread Rainer
Hm, what an idiotic idea. DO you have a reference? Rainer On 21.01.2018 15:39, David van Ooijen wrote: I understand these as 'French' 1st and 2nd endings, where the second ending is written first, and the first ending written last. You find these a lot in French Baroque. Very

[LUTE] Re: L'Espagnolle

2018-01-21 Thread David van Ooijen
I understand these as 'French' 1st and 2nd endings, where the second ending is written first, and the first ending written last. You find these a lot in French Baroque. Very confusing when sight reading chamber music, as there's always some poor soul getting lost (usually me, to

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Thank you Arthur - I always thought reading it upside down was a joke. I'll try that :) The problem is that I am self-taught so my fingerboard is always French. I could try imagine it looking backwards through it... I fear I'll be fluent in German tabs before I wrap my head around Italian. :)

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread jslute
Dear All, I think most luters will find that if one plays from Italian tab every day -- even if only for a short while -- after a week or two it becomes much easier. It also may help to visualize it as a mirror image of your fretboard. Jim Stimson Sent from my Verizon,

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness
Tristan, You can always turn the Italian tablature upside down and play backwards. It's been done. Perhaps an efficient way to learn Italian tablature is to imagine it representing the fingerboard as your teacher shows you fingerings while seated opposite. Those pitches are "upside

[LUTE] L'Espagnolle

2018-01-21 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, I wonder what Vallet's intention in "L'Espagnolle", page 80, Secret des Muses I was. It is not at all clear how interpret the double bar lines, the half notes at the end of both strains and the repeat sign. Obviously Andre Souris had no idea either - he reproduced the

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Stephan Olbertz
The initial idea might have been that reading the tab is like looking on the instrument of your teacher. regards Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Ed Durbrow Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Januar 2018 02:17 An: