[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 5:58 PM, jslute wrote: > > My smartphone, which thinks it can spell better than I do, > unaccountably changed "consort" to "comfort." It’s not unaccountable, Jim. It’s what autocorrect does. Its sole function is to make literate people look silly.

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Dear All, My smartphone, which thinks it can spell better than I do, unaccountably changed "consort" to "comfort." Jim Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: David van Ooijen Date: 5/13/18

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

... Indeed, he. Time passed silently while they fretted equally for their future. "I'm afraid we must no longer consort together," he blurted in his perversely mean tone, jumped to the coda and left. The night persisted in storming darkly while tears flowed from her springs, her

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 2:16 PM, David van Ooijen > wrote: > > You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words > 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph. Chapter One It was a dark and stormy night outside on the heath outside the

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > Otterstedt's very fine review of Dolata's book in Early Music (December 2017) > does indeed present a very welcome demolition of the current modern fashion > for promoting meantone tunings on the lute.

[LUTE] Re: Linear algebra

Well, if you have high 1st fret and low 4th fret, you get Db on the b-letter of the 5th course, and C# on the 4th fret of the e-letter on the 3rd course (assuming "renaissance" tuning in G). And of course tastino for the b-letter for the C#, not to speak of the F# (instead of Gb) is a good

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sun,

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

> On May 13, 2018, at 5:19 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: > > There is plenty of surviving evidence of every perversion, but that doesn’t > imply any aesthetic value thereof. “Perversion” means deviation from normal practice. Unequal fretting of citterns and bandoras appears to have been

[LUTE] Re: Linear algebra

Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 21:44 CEST, Arto Wikla schrieb: > Tiny comment: f#-gb, d#-eb, c#-db, etc. are not octaves! ;-) To that I can only answer with that famous quote from Thomas Binkley: "Details!" ;-) Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Linear algebra

I agree, Rainer, I think it's accepted there's no _perfect_ way to introduce meantone or its variants to lute. The trade off of 2 or 3 cents (which I will barely --if at all-- notice) in a 5th or octave for 10 cents for nicer thirds is acceptable to me. - nb. If one is using gut

[LUTE] Re: Linear algebra

Tiny comment: f#-gb, d#-eb, c#-db, etc. are not octaves! ;-) Arto On 13/05/18 22:30, Rainer wrote: A clarification: Suppose you want to place the frets on a lute so that: 1) All unisons are pure. That means the f on the second course has the same frequency as the open 1. course, the g on

[LUTE] Linear algebra

A clarification: Suppose you want to place the frets on a lute so that: 1) All unisons are pure. That means the f on the second course has the same frequency as the open 1. course, the g on the second string has the same pitch as the b on the 1. course, ... over all courses. 2) All octaves

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 20:43 CEST, Ron Andrico schrieb: >Ralf and Rainer, I believe you are in agreement. Octaves, fourths and >fifths are pure and other intervals are an approximation. No, that's not what I (or Rainer) said. And it's wrong: Octaves are

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 19:33 CEST, Rainer schrieb: > I am sorry, this is simply wrong. > I have done the necessary calculations many years ago. > > If you assume that all unisons and all octaves are pure you have one chance > only: Equal temperament. >

[LUTE] Re: The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 20:15 CEST, Ron Andrico schrieb: >Apart from acceptable use such as short quotes that attribute the >author and the source, the conventional approach is to ask the author's >permission. Most authors are pleased for the citations

[LUTE] Re: The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

The article (3 pages) is sold for $40. Ridiculous... Rainer On 13.05.2018 20:15, Ron Andrico wrote: Apart from acceptable use such as short quotes that attribute the author and the source, the conventional approach is to ask the author's permission. Most authors are pleased for

[LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

You may be right, but I can always claim that my computer was hacked. Wayne > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Rainer > Subject: Re: [LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's > book about tuning > Date: May 13, 2018 at 1:34:33 PM EDT > To:

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

On 13.05.2018 19:18, Martin Shepherd wrote: Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I still don't), I absolutely agree. This discussion is not very far from a flame war... but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament the unisons and octaves will

[LUTE] The article by Annette Otterstedt about David Dolata's book about tuning

Hi Lute people - Martyn sent me a copy of Annette Otterstedt’s review of David Dolata's book about tuning and it is avilable on my web site http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Otterstedt.pdf Wayne -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 19:18 CEST, Martin Shepherd schrieb: > Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it > (I still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament > the unisons and octaves will be pure. ;-) I was

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Not always! Take a look at TSatoh videos on YouTube!))) Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > > Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I > still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament the unisons and octaves will be pure. M On 13/05/2018 19:11, Rainer wrote: On 13.05.2018 17:03, stephan.olbertz wrote:     I don't understand how

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

On 13.05.2018 17:03, stephan.olbertz wrote: I don't understand how the practical side of lute temperaments would depent on calculating anything. You can just set a fourth fret you like and set all other frets by ear via unisons and octaves. No need to count beats either. You

[LUTE] Amplitude of different strings

Dear collected wisdom, can you tell me something about the amplitude of different strings – gut, Nylgut, carbon and nylon? What’s the widest and nearest? Thank you very much Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

I don't understand how the practical side of lute temperaments would depent on calculating anything. You can just set a fourth fret you like and set all other frets by ear via unisons and octaves. No need to count beats either. Regards Stephan Von meinem Samsung Galaxy

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

Food for thought, thank you for those quotes. I always explain MT to my pupils with a piece of paper and a pencil, then let them use their ears to position their frets, and finally explain about easy way out with the computer/tuner options. Out there with keyboard players I rely on

[LUTE] Re: Missing link? Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

The mail demon cannot handle html mails properly! Rainer On 13.05.2018 16:11, Martyn Hodgson wrote: --=_Part_1167774_1215771206.1526220706425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The link to Otterstedt's important review which I put at the

[LUTE] Missing link? Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

--=_Part_1167774_1215771206.1526220706425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The link to Otterstedt's important review which I put at the end of my earlier message does not seem to have come through.   Here it is again in two

[LUTE] Thank you

to all the people who translated the Dutch texts. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

There is plenty of surviving evidence of every perversion, but that doesn’t imply any aesthetic value thereof. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2018, at 7:00 AM, jslute wrote: > > Dear All, > >What should we make of the indisputable evidence of unequal >

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Indeed Rainer HTML is evil :) On 13.05.2018 13:46, Andreas Schlegel wrote: There’s a very big diffrence between the very long sounding metal strings and the instrumente with gut strings, which can be heard in orchestras only with the attack and very rarely with the sound.AndreasAm 13.05.2018

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

There’s a very big diffrence between the very long sounding metal strings and the instrumente with gut strings, which can be heard in orchestras only with the attack and very rarely with the sound.AndreasAm 13.05.2018 um 13:00 schrieb jslute mailto:jsl...@verizon.net;

[LUTE] LUTE TUNING Sorry - my reply without strange format instructions

There’s a very big diffrence between the very long sounding metal strings and the instrumente with gut strings, which can be heard in orchestras only with the attack and very rarely with the sound. Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

Dear All, What should we make of the indisputable evidence of unequal temperament on fixed-fret citterns? There are many surviving examples, and virtually all are in unequal temperament. Modern reproductions with equal temperament only play in tune in G major (I once owned one).

[LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

--=_Part_1069186_1226149732.1526205101799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Andreas, Yes - Otterstedt's very fine review of Dolata's book in Early Music (December 2017) does indeed present a very welcome demolition of the current modern

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