[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
I know, that's what I'm saying, thanks Antonio! Newsidler's book of 1536 on page 2 is also a letter from the "king" giving him personally the privileges, with threats of fines to those who try to copy. Half to the king, and half to Neusiedler.The printer is mentioned at the end of th

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Alain Veylit
shes Antonio __ From: Alain Veylit [1] To: Lutelist [2] Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2018, 11:30 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema Privileges were granted to the printers, not the authors/composers, who usually got none of the profits of

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Antonio Corona
ject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema Privileges were granted to the printers, not the authors/composers, who usually got none of the profits of sales. In fact copyright laws were created because of this very fact, in the 18th century. Pirated copies of course included the privilege pa

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Alain Veylit
On 02/21/2018 02:39 AM, G. C. wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema To: Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> When you read the

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread Matthew Daillie
Additional reading: 'Print Culture and Music in Sixteenth-Century Venice' by Jane Bernstein, published by Oxford University Press. Best, Matthew On 21/02/2018 13:01, Ron Andrico wrote: Daniel Heartz wrote a monograph on the role of Attaingnant as music publisher, _Pierre Attaingnant Roy

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
Dear Ron, look at the recently mentioned "Ein Newgeordent..." by Newsidler. It says at the bottom of the introductory page: Mit Roemischen Kaiser und Koeniglichen Majestaet, freyheit/ in funff iaren nit nach zu drucken / begnadet. What is this but a royally decreed copyright? And

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-21 Thread G. C.
-- Forwarded message -- From: G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema To: Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> When you read the foreword of old prints, there is often

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-20 Thread Alain Veylit
If I remember correctly the first copyright law appeared in England ca. 1714. Pirated editions made the bread and butter of many printers before then. But, it is only when copyrights were in force that authors started to make a living out of their published works. Before that it was a system of

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
I recall a conversation with Pat O'Brien about dC many years ago, and he said there was a lot of plagiarism in his works. RT On 2/20/2018 3:45 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi Leonard, They could be derived from a common model, such as a recercar by Giulio Segni (da Modena).  A more explicit ca

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-20 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Leonard, They could be derived from a common model, such as a recercar by Giulio Segni (da Modena).  A more explicit case of this is Ness 88, which is very close to no.16 in DaCrema's 1548 book, where it is attributed to Julio da Modena.  It appears in Ness as Appendix 15.  Julio Segni (14

[LUTE] Re: Francesco or da Crema

2018-02-19 Thread Leonard Williams
I've exaggerated: there are a number of differences, but I believe the similarities outweigh them. Perhaps two different recercari based on the same motif, sacred or otherwise? Leonard -Original Message- From: Leonard Williams To: Lute List Sent: Mon, Feb 19,