One detail that jumps out at me is the fruit bowl. It's a Chinese
bowl, with calligraphy on the side.
There was a great demand for China wares, made in China and Japan, in
the West. There was a whole industry set up which made their wares
specifically for the Western markets. With different
One detail that jumps out at me is the fruit bowl. It's a Chinese
bowl, with calligraphy on the side. Of course, Chinoiserie was in
fashion, and much faux-Chinese porcelain was produced in Europe, but I
don't think much (if any) was produced with calligraphy on them. That
would have been
tempted to guess some sort of cheese, but the contents look a bit..
bubbly.
I think it must be caramel coated pop-corn, or perhaps Cracker-Jacks.
Regards,
Leonard Williams
On 2/17/10 4:59 AM, Edward C. Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg wrote:
One detail that jumps out at me is the fruit bowl.
I think it must be caramel coated pop-corn, or perhaps Cracker-Jacks.
nope, gotta be crunch n munch
One detail that jumps out at me is the fruit bowl. It's a Chinese
bowl, with calligraphy on the side.
possibly purchased or a gift from traders with the 15c fleet bearing a
chinese ambassador
Thanks to all for your interesting insights and amusing comments on this
curious painting.
Best,
Nicolás
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Thanks for sending in the photo, Alexander. I think this is an
important lute for the archives showing a good transitional
solution. ... and a lute I wouldn't mind finding on my dining room
table.
The music is very legible, too. I'm sorry I don't know enough song rep
to figure it out.
Hi,
Wasting some time one may collect tons of strange lutes from the
internet in many variations, the most strange one I found so far is
this:
Try [1]http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesr1.html
I am refering to the the Painting Young Lady with Lute by Racinet
which might
I find the oboe the most interesting :)
dt
At 10:59 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
Count 'em again, folks- I'm counting 7 courses on the main pegbox.
Treble rider, and 12 more pegs. I've got three courses- 6 pegs on the
extension, the bottom one looks like a darker wood replacement
(ebony?) -So we have
: Strange lute in French painting
Hi,
Wasting some time one may collect tons of strange lutes from the
internet in many variations, the most strange one I found so far is
this:
Try [1][3]http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesr1.html
I am refering to the the Painting
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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu im Auftrag von Gernot Hilger
Gesendet: Mo 15.02.2010 10:51
An: Franz Mechsner
Cc: Steve Ramey; lute
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
Hi Franz,
the instrument in this pic is of course not a lute
I tried to find what the strange object under the bird might be. I
believe it is a musette de cour with the chanter removed.
There is a similar picture here:
http://music.geocities.jp/muzettes/EngFile/main_eng/pictures_diag/hotteterre_musette.gif
I have asked David Van Edwards for his
An archcittern, Gernot? That broken chanterelle curls like gut to my
eye.
Sean
On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote:
Hi Franz,
the instrument in this pic is of course not a lute, but an
archcittern. Looks like a Hamburger Cithrinchen with extended bass
range.
Gernot
It is of course a cittern, but it was also painted (drawn?) no earlier
than 1850 judging from the artist's dates, so may be no more than a
fantasy of olden times composed of elements from other visual
sources. My first guess would be that the instrument never actually
physically
Dear Sean,
unless I am very much mistaken, you are speaking of the Linard
Vanitas. I was referring to the pic Franz had linked to. The other
picture is too small to see any chanterelle.
Or do you once again have a mousepad with better resolution by any chance?
Gernot
Zitat von Sean Smith
So it is. Racinet's is certainly a citterncreature.
Sean
On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote:
Dear Sean,
unless I am very much mistaken, you are speaking of the Linard
Vanitas. I was referring to the pic Franz had linked to. The other
picture is too small to see any
David Van Edwards has of course nailed the lute perfectly- there is a
picture of one being played about 1/3 way down on this page (Brief
history of the lute, part 3) from his website, between the Des
Moulins 11 course and the better known double headed Dutch lute.
It's down at the bottom, next to what appears to be a plate on edge;
dangerously close to the parsnips. It appears that the bell is of a
different wood than the body; and on the whole it somewhat resembles
an extraordinary oboe played extraordinarily well by Gonzalo X. Ruiz
a few weeks ago-
Aside from the issue of musical instruments, there seem to be some odd
perspective relationships going on in the painting. Examples: the
basket of fruit at the top right sitting on a wood 'cabinet', the
drawer of the table in relation to the cabinet and the table itself,
the bowl
While we are picking through this - I see what looks like a lemon and
an orange. Is the other piece of fruit supposed to be a pomegranite?
And what is the silver cylinder near the bell of the oboe?
Nancy
At 10:55 AM 2/15/2010, Daniel Winheld wrote:
It's down at the bottom,
Oboe? I'd think pestle mortar :)
G.
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From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
It's down at the bottom, next to what appears to be a plate
Maybe it's both (Emergency at the oboe players house- Honey, could
you stop practicing for a minute and come grind this garlic?)
Oboe? I'd think pestle mortar :)
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I think David was kidding about the oboe (hence the :) sign). The objects Dan
describes do not resemble any oboe da caccia I've seen. The goldish-colored
oboe part looks like a pestle, and the similarly-colored round object is more
than likely the mortar or similar dish. It can't be the bell
Damn it, I want to see Gonzalo's oboe again. The last time we had
parsnips they were much too tough, and the finger holes didn't help a
bit.
I think David was kidding about the oboe (hence the :) sign). The
objects Dan describes do not resemble any oboe da caccia I've seen.
The
Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net
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Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:55:24 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
It's down at the bottom, next to what appears to be a plate on edge;
dangerously close to the parsnips. It appears that the bell
What kind of glue are you using on those parsnips? Remember, the
organic ones need longer clamping time.
s
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Daniel Winheld wrote:
Damn it, I want to see Gonzalo's oboe again. The last time we had
parsnips they were much too tough, and the finger holes didn't
No reason parsnips and woodwinds can't get along:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfYt7vRHuY
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Maybe one more hour on simmer, and a few shakes from the cyanide jar
Nancy spotted.
Bon Apetit! :(
Funny- I do have a dentist appointment in one hour!
-Dan
I don't think an oboe da caccia would be any easier on your teeth,
but I suppose it would depend on how you cook it.
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What is the notated piece under the lute head and recorder? Isn't there any
photo with more pixels than that
http://www.wga.hu/art/l/linard/senses.jpg
Arto
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Could the bird-like object actually be a feathers arranged on a wire
(visible extending down and to the right from the bird body) used for
cleaning the musette pipes?
Also, does anyone recognize the music? It's not in tab.
The other Lady With Lute that Franz found seems more like a cittern
What always puzzled me in this picture is that some of the frets (which
seem to appear to be double ...?), starting from the third, look as a
kind of 'split' from the middle and down towards the edge of the neck.
The painter didn't 'confirm' this feature in the mirror reflection of
the neck,
I think one of the most interesting things about this picture is the
cord with the loop going along the back of the instrument. Also the
decoration along the top edge of the sides is something we fon't see in
this century.
Nancy
At 07:31 PM 2/14/2010, Nicolas Valencia wrote:
On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Nicolas Valencia wrote:
I've found this lute in a painting by Jacques Linard, (France,
1600-1645). It's called The Five Senses and the Four Elements, so I
guess the lute represents hearing. What kind of lute is this?
: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:58 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
I think one of the most interesting things about
this picture is the
cord with the loop going along the back
of
sausage stuffer???
Just my two cents or less...
Steve
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Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 12:14:00 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute
I counted up the pegs and got a 9-c lute: treble rider (w/ broken
chanterelle)+ 6 courses on the main pegbox and 2 doubled courses on
the extension. Otoh, it might be 3 doubled courses on the extension
making it a 10-c, tho. 10 frets on the neck. Fitting for the time and
perfect for
Something else comes to mind about the curious pegboxes. If one was
updating a 6-c for 9/10 courses, it would make sense to reuse the old
6-c pegbox. That would explain the different angles. Yes, the neck
would be new as would be the extension pegbox but why remake the other
pegbox if it
Count 'em again, folks- I'm counting 7 courses on the main pegbox.
Treble rider, and 12 more pegs. I've got three courses- 6 pegs on the
extension, the bottom one looks like a darker wood replacement
(ebony?) -So we have a 10 course. There is a Dutch picture of a young
man playing one of these
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