[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Mathias R�sel
I agree with almost everything you write except that I would like to call instruments first and foremost by their proper names (especially if it comes to non western european instruments), that I would not like to call guitars lutes nor should I. Lute instruments would be the traditional

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Oct 15, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Ik1hdGhpYXMgUvZzZWwi wrote: Perhaps, Japanese musicologists will share the European traditional way of definining families of musical instruments. Perhaps they won't. Does that mean it's wrong in any kind of way? Would you suggest other ways than by use or

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Ed, I suspect there are Japanese people adhering to the system of classifying according to material of construction as there are such who have adopted the Sachs-system. I even remember a Japanese co-student of mine once reading us a paper about the adoption of the western harmonic system

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-15 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Matthias, another system of classifying musical instruments is by material (used in India, China a.s.o). I think, there's at least as much logic in this system as in the western european. I do not have difficulties in applying the Sachs system to any instrument as a material thing but

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Mathias, Schalenhalslaute and Kastenhalslaute - that's the terminology of Curt Sachs and as his approach was purely based on the morphology of instruments (not on their use, the way one produces sounds on them [e.g. by plucking strings or bowing them] or their position in the culture to

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Mathias R�sel
Schalenhalslaute and Kastenhalslaute - that's the terminology of Curt Sachs Sachs's terminology was still kept e. g. by Dieter Klöckner, art. zupfinstrumentenbau (construction of plucked instruments) / A Einführung (introduction), B Gitarren- und Lautenbau (construction of lutes and guitars)

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-14 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Mathias, I agree with almost everything you write except that I would like to call instruments first and foremost by their proper names (especially if it comes to non western european instruments), that I would not like to call guitars lutes [and therefore have to admit that I am not able

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-13 Thread Mathias R�sel
Joachim Lüdtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Within the field of instruments in question I tend to think of instruments with a lute-back as lutes and of instruments with a back made of sides (unsure about the terminology, in German they are called Zargen) and a seperate back as guitars,

[LUTE] Re: The German lute movement and the guitar-lute

2005-10-09 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Kenneth, thank you for your mail - I didn't know that my article would be of interest to anyone outside Germany although I know that the guitar lute and its relatives were not confined to the German spoken countries. I have not mentioned Scholander because I am unsure about the extent to