Dear Thomas;
Please define serious composer.
Gary Digman
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From: Thomas Schall
Date: 19 Dec 2003 17:36:47 +0100
To: Howard Posner
Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
If I could
,
Gary
Digman
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From: Stewart McCoy
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:25:30 -
To: Lute Net
Subject: John Cage on Lute
Dear Doctor Oakroot,
To say that someone is missing the point pre
Beuys is a very interesting person, yes - I wondered if the value of his
works is detected on the sum they were and are insured.
There is a funny story about his Fettfleck (just a piece of grease) on
the floor of a museum which the charwoman cleaned ...
Thomas
Am Sam, 2003-12-20 um 15.00
Thomas Schall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strawinski's comment propably meant any time Cage spends with nothing is
better than if he would produce tones ...
Probably?
OK, I was going to shut up. But I've seen particular pieces mentioned on
this thread (there was a comment on a cow-bell being an improvement on a
European composer of a recent period - pardon that I don't check back on the
message as to which one).
I am disappointed.
To say that something you
I'm sorry to say that I'd rather have expected some kind of a moderate
statement the way
this list has been used to hear from you.
To say that something you do not understand or do not find what you expect to
find in it
is not art or is not beautiful or uplifting (and what else you said)
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From: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lutelist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
Dear Stewart,
I'm sorry to say that I'd rather have expected some kind of a
moderate statement the way
this list has been used to hear from you
Stewart wrote:
Many thanks indeed for your message. It has troubled me greatly that
we have disagreed over this issue, when we have seen eye to eye on
everything else which has come up for discussion. For that reason I
had decided earlier this evening not to pursue the thread any
further.
that I want to learn how to drive a garbage truck so I can make music.
Gary Digman
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From: Stewart McCoy
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:41:10 -
To: Lute Net
Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:39 PM
Subject: John Cage on Lute
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life
time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a
Passaicialle where after each return of the bass motif, a course was
cut
Would this piece need much practise? I consider to start my next recital
with it.
L.
Dear Michael,
It is possible that John Cage achieved something as a composer, but,
if he did, it has escaped me. Cutting strings, performing in
silence, and all those other sad gimmicks are utterly
Subject: John Cage on Lute
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life
time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a
Passaicialle where after each return of the bass motif, a course was
cut with sizzors until all strings were no more. Then silence.
If I could regard this as a joke it would be a fine idea but if I recall
right Cage really thought to be a serious composer.
Reminds me on a german band (I think it was Einstuerzende Neubauten)
which recorded a similar piece called Nichts (nothing) in the 80's.
Strawinski's comment propably
Stupid lute list - gotta send everything twice, lol
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Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
From:Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Fri, December 19, 2003 11:57 am
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED
cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Fre, 2003-12-19 um 17.58 schrieb Doctor Oakroot:
Stupid lute list - gotta send everything twice, lol
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From: Howard Posner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:06 AM
Cc: Lautenliste
Subject: Re: John Cage on Lute
Roman Turovsky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was the piece that requires no playing? I forget the title, something like
4.32. Just sit for 4
Am 19 Dec 2003 um 18:45 hat Thomas Schall geschrieben:
By the way: I like modern music - but cum grano salis - I try to
detect form and content in any piece. If I cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad. Best wishes Thomas
Dear Thomas, all,
as John Cage was inspired by
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From: Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: [Fwd: Re: John Cage on Lute]
Someone's missing the point :)
The point of 4'33 is what happens in the room when the audience
is
exposed to it - it's music as performance art
Dear Tom,
I think you are quite wrong to suggest that Beethoven's Eroica
Symphony with its structurally significant pauses might be more
interesting than the continuous clanking of a badly tempered cow
bell. The cow bell is unquestionably superior, since it succinctly
challenges our crude
Thomas,
By the way: I like modern music - but cum grano salis - I try to
detect form and content in any piece. If I cannot find it it's either
above my understanding or bad.
Best wishes
Thomas
I concur. I've heard form and content in rock (although not much lately),
and also heard random
Does any one know whether John Cage wrote for the lute in his life time?
I heard something about a contemporary composer who wrote a Passaicialle where after
each return of the bass motif, a course was cut with sizzors until all strings were no
more. Then silence.
I don't know if it's original but I know that the lute class of Sigrun
Richter in Frankfurt performed a piece by Cage recently (actually it was
Sigrun herself playing the piece) - maybe someone else knows more
details. I would need to find th eprogram in my mess just to tell you th
ename of the
I don't know if it's original but I know that the lute class of Sigrun
Richter in Frankfurt performed a piece by Cage recently (actually it was
Sigrun herself playing the piece) - maybe someone else knows more
details. I would need to find th eprogram in my mess just to tell you th
ename of
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