[LUTE] basses in octaves

Dear Collective wisdom, I have been tuning my 5 and 6th course in octaves for years, with wound strings and gut or nylgut. recently I bought the CD loaded strings from Mimmo and am slowly getting used to them. I have thus replaced the fundamental with CD loaded, while keeping my

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hi Bruno, We have received the same feedback from a couple of customers these days at Cuerdas Pulsadas, so I am going to try them in the renaissance lute to check if this is something specific of not. Regards. 2017-02-28 9:56 GMT-08:00 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Unfortunately this is a common issue with a lot of strings. One thing you could try is to put the CD string on the other way around. Very often that solves the problem or at least makes it less prominent. I even had a similar issue with a long PVF string that I cut in two to put on the 5th

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Bruno- Is this the first time you have ever used non-overspun basses? That may explain your problem rather than the loaded CD string specifically. It's a totally different feel, whether the thick basses are actual gut of one sort or another or a synthetic that mimics a gut bass string. (I

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

yes it is the first time I use non wound strings on my basses. I have used gut octaves for 30 years and have never had the problem, at least not to that extent. I understand the action can be part of the problem, although. I will test the pitch on the strings taken

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Dear collective wisdom, I once attempted to compute the amount by which the placement of a fret has to be adjusted to compensate for the increase in tension that arises when you depress it onto the fret. If I remember my conclusions, correctly, when you press the string down, the

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

On 2/28/2017 4:06 PM, Miles Dempster wrote: "Maybe it could help if the octave is closer in tension to the fundamental." Bingo!- Miles wins. It became a custom to string lutes with absurdly slack octaves early in the lute re-Renaissance, as they were functionally useless; the overspun basses

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Getting exact same tension between fundamental and octave is next to impossible and ludicrous. Of course that wouldn't have been a possibility In the Renaissance and lutes must certainly have been out of tune..but our modern ear wants otherwise. My strings are not THAT much

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hello all So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets were adjusted for one string properly... and conclusion is that the loaded CD nylgut goes flat as you go up the scale on the neck...by the time I get to the 7th fret I no longer have a perfect fifth.

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Actually there is another solution to this. You’ll probably all think that I am crazy, but I’ll suggest it anyway since it is used by some guitar makers when crafting the nut, and might be applicable to lutes. On my classical guitar (yes, I confess that I do actually play one occasionally...)

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hi Bruno No problems on my archlute's 6th and 7th. CDs and NNG octaves. Arto On 28/02/17 19:56, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote: Dear Collective wisdom, I have been tuning my 5 and 6th course in octaves for years, with wound strings and gut or nylgut. recently I bought the CD loaded

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

> .I would have never thought a string would > go flat in higher positions it is usually the opposite. I’ve seen it happen regularly on my top string or 4th octave when an older style nylgut (the white ones) has been on for a long time*. Usually after 7 months I have to decide whether to

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Well that would mean I have to slant the frets to make the fundamental sharper and in tune inthose positions ..which will render the octave horribly sharp and the put the tasting below the octave string to lower it...because it is in fact the loaded nylgut fundamental which goes

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

It’s also possible that the two strings are absorbing moisture at different rates. Furthermore they may absorb hand sweat in different areas preventing or promoting same. “It’s way more complicated than we ever imagined!” Sean On Feb 28, 2017, at 5:53 PM, fournierbru

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Dear Bruno, The problem can have different explanations the first one: the string. have you tried to install in the opposite? it became sharper or not? Why a string can give this problem? maybe the string has defect, maybe the defect was introduced during the tuning. I have seen this thing a

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Sorry, but I simply can't accept the idea that the old ones couldn't > tell whether or not they were in tune. I understood the earlier post to mean that they could tell, but lived with it, rather as we accept that

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

This is still very much a moot point. Some of the (numerous) interpretations of the recent discoveryof a possible period stringing list lead to the conclusion that octaves were strung at the same tension as fundamentals but it certainly hasn't been proven as far as I know. I find that

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Why would you have a perfect fifth, are you using a temperament with perfect fifths on your lute?? Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 0:28, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote: > > So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets > were adjusted for one