[LUTE] Re: Best luthier to make a 1728 Edlinger/problems with new Cepelak lute
Hi B lutenists On a different question. Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet music? I have some duets but just for B lute and flute. Thanks Dick Brook > On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Jay F. wrote: > > Hello all, > > I was wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions as to who > would be the best luthier to make a copy of the Hrubý Rohozec > 1728 Dieffopruchar/Edlinger? I played one by Robert Lundberg and it was > honestly one of the nicest sounding baroque lutes I've heard. The other > major benefit is its extremely flat bowl which makes it quite > comfortable to play despite its 76cm string length. The problem, > however, is very few luthiers offer this model. I know Cesar Mateus > makes them. I'd also consider asking Clive Titmuss. I know Busato also > makes them, but I'm sceptical about him seeing as his lutes seem to be > too cheap. > > I literally just received one made by Jiri Cepelak and its a total dud > so we can count him off the list. He completely ignored some of my > requests such as the stings I wanted, how many frets and the size of > the bridge sting holes (I can’t fit gut, or Aquila CD loaded bass > strings for the bottom 5 courses). It came to me with a messed-up > action (buzzing) and a terrible varnishing job on the bowl. I had heard > he was reliable... but clearly, he rushed the construction on this > instrument. Luckily, I haven't paid for it so I'll probably send it > back. Any advice on this issue is also welcomed. > > Thanks for your help! > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/adue2.html RT On 3/23/2019 10:51 AM, b...@symbol4.de wrote: Gesendet: Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 15:15 Uhr Von: "Richard Brook" An: "Jay F." Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Best luthier to make a 1728 Edlinger/problems with new Cepelak lute Hi B lutenists On a different question. Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet music? I have some duets but just for B lute and flute. Thanks Dick Brook Hi Dick! I changed the subject line.. Have a look here [1]http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses volume 29. for French baroque lute duets. A beautiful transcription of BWV 814 (3rd french Suite) [2]http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ Kind regards B References 1. http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses 2. http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Best luthier to make a 1728 Edlinger/problems with new Cepelak lute
Hi Jay,
I had that very same model built by Paolo Busato two years ago and
played it extensively for my exams at the Conservatorio of Pavia: the
projection is great and so it is the action. The instrument has been
very stable so far (no cracks, no growing action, etc) and Paolo
followed strictly every single indication I gave him.
The instrument has been praised often by my both teachers, Massimo
Lonardi at the Conservatorio of Pavia and Jakob Lindberg at the
Soomerakademie Alte Musik in Neuburg an der Donau.
I wouldnât be misled by his pricelist: Paolo is indeed not expensive,
but the quality of his lutes is really high.
Iâm about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss
theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a
very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts.
A lighter neck should solve the issue.
All the best,
Luca
http://www.liuti.blog
On sab, 23 mar 2019 08:42:44 +0100 Jay
F. wrote
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions as to who
would be the best luthier to make a copy of the Hrubà � Rohozec
1728 Dieffopruchar/Edlinger? I played one by Robert Lundberg and it was
honestly one of the nicest sounding baroque lutes I've heard. The other
major benefit is its extremely flat bowl which makes it quite
comfortable to play despite its 76cm string length. The problem,
however, is very few luthiers offer this model. I know Cesar Mateus
makes them. I'd also consider asking Clive Titmuss. I know Busato also
makes them, but I'm sceptical about him seeing as his lutes seem to be
too cheap.
I literally just received one made by Jiri Cepelak and its a total dud
so we can count him off the list. He completely ignored some of my
requests such as the stings I wanted, how many frets and the size of
the bridge sting holes (I canâ � �t fit gut, or Aquila CD loaded bass
strings for the bottom 5 courses). It came to me with a messed-up
action (buzzing) and a terrible varnishing job on the bowl. I had heard
he was reliable... but clearly, he rushed the construction on this
instrument. Luckily, I haven't paid for it so I'll probably send it
back. Any advice on this issue is also welcomed.
Thanks for your help!
--
To get on or off this list see list information at
[1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
--
References
1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets
Scribd has Doug Towne's baroque duets. Get [1]Outlook for Android __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Roman Turovsky Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 10:59:09 AM To: b...@symbol4.de; richa...@ptd.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets [2]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/adue2.html RT On 3/23/2019 10:51 AM, b...@symbol4.de wrote: > > Gesendet: Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 15:15 Uhr > Von: "Richard Brook" > An: "Jay F." > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Best luthier to make a 1728 Edlinger/problems with > new Cepelak lute > Hi B lutenists > On a different question. > Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet music? I > have some duets but just for B lute and flute. > Thanks > Dick Brook > > > Hi Dick! I changed the subject line.. > > Have a look here > [1]http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses > > volume 29. > > for French baroque lute duets. > > A beautiful transcription of BWV 814 (3rd french Suite) > > [2]http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ > > Kind regards > B > > References > > 1. [3]http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses > 2. [4]http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and return the original message to us at i...@legalaidbuffalo.org -- References 1. https://aka.ms/ghei36 2. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/adue2.html 3. http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses 4. http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] baroque lute duets
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. März 2019 um 15:15 Uhr Von: "Richard Brook" An: "Jay F." Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Best luthier to make a 1728 Edlinger/problems with new Cepelak lute Hi B lutenists On a different question. Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet music? I have some duets but just for B lute and flute. Thanks Dick Brook Hi Dick! I changed the subject line.. Have a look here [1]http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses volume 29. for French baroque lute duets. A beautiful transcription of BWV 814 (3rd french Suite) [2]http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ Kind regards B References 1. http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses 2. http://www.luteduo.com/en/product/j-s-bach-lute-duo-book-2/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets
In addition to all suggestions and entries, Gamut Music produced a recording, "Courante", of French baroque lutes, performed by me and Thomas Walker.We have duets by E & D Gaultier, Dufault, Du But, and 2 chaconnes, by Vieux Gaultier and Mouton, where the contraparties for those 2 works were composed by Tyler Kaiser. Gamut published the music in 2 part books, with an accompanying CD in each part book. Lute 1 book has a disc audio recording of Lute 2, and the Lute 2 book has a disc audio recording of Lute 1. So, one can play duets with one of our recorded parts. Most of the parts had lute 2 from the MS D BERLIN, Deutsche Staatsbibliothek Preussischer Kulturbesitz (D B) Ms. 4230, a MS containing contraparties for existing lute solos; we turned the pieces into duets.In many or most cases, the parts did not work together, requiring reconstruction. Sorry about the self promotion, but the books are very useful for a person wanting to play baroque lute duets, and does not have a duet partner. Ed Martin On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:26 PM Matthew Daillie <[1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: There are some 'contreparties' to works by French baroque composers Dufaut, Dupré and Mercure in the Goëss V manuscript (published by Tree Edition) and a modern edition of five suites for two eleven course lutes from a manuscript in Warsaw (RM 4135) in the hand of Gusta Goldschmidt published by Nederlanse Vereniging. Best, Matthew On Mar 23, 2019, at 16:19, Roland Hayes <[2]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote: >> Hi B lutenists >> On a different question. >> Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet >music? I >> have some duets but just for B lute and flute. >> Thanks >> Dick Brook To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 2. mailto:rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets
There are some 'contreparties' to works by French baroque composers Dufaut, Dupré and Mercure in the Goëss V manuscript (published by Tree Edition) and a modern edition of five suites for two eleven course lutes from a manuscript in Warsaw (RM 4135) in the hand of Gusta Goldschmidt published by Nederlanse Vereniging. Best, Matthew On Mar 23, 2019, at 16:19, Roland Hayes wrote: >>Hi B lutenists >>On a different question. >>Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet > music? I >>have some duets but just for B lute and flute. >>Thanks >>Dick Brook To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: baroque lute duets
Hello all, You're very welcome to have a look at my paper on the subject available there : [1]https://www.academia.edu/13379614/French_Baroque_Lute_Duets_in_the _17th_Century Best, Jean-Marie Poirier Le 23 mars 2019 à 18:24, Matthew Daillie <[2]dail...@club-internet.fr> a écrit : There are some 'contreparties' to works by French baroque composers Dufaut, Dupré and Mercure in the Goëss V manuscript (published by Tree Edition) and a modern edition of five suites for two eleven course lutes from a manuscript in Warsaw (RM 4135) in the hand of Gusta Goldschmidt published by Nederlanse Vereniging. Best, Matthew On Mar 23, 2019, at 16:19, Roland Hayes <[3]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote: Hi B lutenists On a different question. Do you know where I might acquire any Baroque lute duet sheet music? I have some duets but just for B lute and flute. Thanks Dick Brook To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.academia.edu/13379614/French_Baroque_Lute_Duets_in_the_17th_Century 2. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 3. mailto:rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
Pat's opinion re the luthier's fault. RT On 3/23/2019 7:01 PM, howard posner wrote: What do you base that conclusion on? Did the lute formerly have a lighter neck? On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:16 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: One of my lutes is neck-heavy, and it definitely has been detrimental to its sound. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:48 PM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote: My lute builder, Dieter Schossig, is actually a physicist, and he also told me about this. It's about the energy that gets lost in the neck, instead of reinforcing the sound. Am 23.03.2019 22:29 schrieb John Mardinly: Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck that is only 66.7cm. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> wrote: I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts. A lighter neck should solve the issue. All the best, Luca Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. H To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck that is only 66.7cm. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> wrote: Iâm about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts. A lighter neck should solve the issue. All the best, Luca Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. H To get on or off this list see list information at [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7 xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006 twxiBkUKArhZubU= References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:l...@manassero.net 3. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006twxiBkUKArhZubU=
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
What do you base that conclusion on? Did the lute formerly have a lighter neck? > On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:16 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: > > One of my lutes is neck-heavy, and it definitely has been detrimental to its > sound. > RT > > > http://turovsky.org > Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > >> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:48 PM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote: >> >> My lute builder, Dieter Schossig, is actually a physicist, and he also told >> me about this. It's about the energy that gets lost in the neck, instead of >> reinforcing the sound. >> >> Am 23.03.2019 22:29 schrieb John Mardinly: >>> Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the >>> sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along >>> the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck >>> that is only 66.7cm. >>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> >>>wrote: >>> I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss >>> theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss >>>built a >>> very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during >>>concerts. >>> A lighter neck should solve the issue. >>> All the best, >>> Luca >>> Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic >>> voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not >>> vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping >>> effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik >>> told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch >>> for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. >>> But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was >>> never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. >>> I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from >>> the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the >>> instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. >>> Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. >>> And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. >>> H To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Heavy theorbo neck
> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: > > I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss > theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a > very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts. > A lighter neck should solve the issue. > All the best, > Luca Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic voice. I’ve been told that a neck that’s heavy, and therefore does not vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping effect on the body of the instrument. I don’t recall whether Hendrik told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can’t vouch for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. And it’s a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. H To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
My lute builder, Dieter Schossig, is actually a physicist, and he also told me about this. It's about the energy that gets lost in the neck, instead of reinforcing the sound. Am 23.03.2019 22:29 schrieb John Mardinly: Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck that is only 66.7cm. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> wrote: I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts. A lighter neck should solve the issue. All the best, Luca Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. H To get on or off this list see list information at [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7 xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006 twxiBkUKArhZubU= References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:l...@manassero.net 3. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006twxiBkUKArhZubU=
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
One of my lutes is neck-heavy, and it definitely has been detrimental to its sound. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:48 PM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote: > > My lute builder, Dieter Schossig, is actually a physicist, and he also told > me about this. It's about the energy that gets lost in the neck, instead of > reinforcing the sound. > > Am 23.03.2019 22:29 schrieb John Mardinly: >> Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the >> sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along >> the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck >> that is only 66.7cm. >> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >> On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >> wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> >> wrote: >> I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss >> theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss >> built a >> very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during >> concerts. >> A lighter neck should solve the issue. >> All the best, >> Luca >> Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic >> voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not >> vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping >> effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik >> told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch >> for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. >> But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was >> never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. >>I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from >> the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the >> instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. >> Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. >> And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. >> H >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth >> .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n >> 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7 >> xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006 >> twxiBkUKArhZubU= >> References >> 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com >> 2. mailto:l...@manassero.net >> 3. >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=dI7xnDPu2Bjw9zV3K5G0E9IDY4yelOErGet17R0lSoA=zWiWsrleJ4nToa6SSrmJ7P-6D006twxiBkUKArhZubU= > >
[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck
I’d have asked him the question I asked you. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2019, at 18:02, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Pat's opinion re the luthier's fault. > RT > >> On 3/23/2019 7:01 PM, howard posner wrote: >> What do you base that conclusion on? >> Did the lute formerly have a lighter neck? >> >>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:16 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> One of my lutes is neck-heavy, and it definitely has been detrimental to >>> its sound. >>> RT >>> >>> >>> http://turovsky.org >>> Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. >>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:48 PM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote: My lute builder, Dieter Schossig, is actually a physicist, and he also told me about this. It's about the energy that gets lost in the neck, instead of reinforcing the sound. Am 23.03.2019 22:29 schrieb John Mardinly: > Some guitar makers have also believed that neck stiffness improves the > sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along > the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck > that is only 66.7cm. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> > wrote: >On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> >wrote: > I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss > theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss >built a > very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during >concerts. > A lighter neck should solve the issue. > All the best, > Luca > Consider that the heavy neck may be part of what makes the fantastic > voice. I've been told that a neck that's heavy, and therefore does not > vibrate, increases resonance because a vibrating neck has a damping > effect on the body of the instrument. I don't recall whether Hendrik > told me that, or it was volunteered by someone else, and I can't vouch > for its accuracy as a matter of acoustical science. > But I can tell you that the heavy neck on my Hasenfuss theorbo was > never a problem because I never held the instrument while I played it. > I just used a strap, and ran a leather or fake-leather bootlace from > the bridge-end of the instrument and sat on it (the lace, NOT the > instrument). I could take my hands off the theorbo completely. > Indeed, listeners may have preferred it when I did. > And it's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the neck. > H >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
