[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Martin Shepherd
Well, there's Piccinini, who recommends playing with nails, and Mace, who says that some people do it and think it's the best way, but he says it might be OK in an ensemble but doesn't like it for solo playing. There may be others - Weiss? Vihuela references? I'm sure others can help.

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Markus Lutz
Weiss didn't obviously play with nails. But he also writes in his letter to Mattheson (in Lauten-Memorial), that some people play with nails - especially the theorbo - , which gives a little bit harsh tone, as he writes. Best Markus Am 10.12.2013 10:51, schrieb Martin Shepherd: Well,

[LUTE] please edit the message you are replying to

2013-12-10 Thread wayne lute
Hi People - I would like to request that when you reply to one point in a long posting you edit the posting to remove the parts that you are not replying to. For example, in Nancy's reply to Ernesto's message she is referring to one comment he made, and I can't find that comment in his

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Bruno Correia
Here we go again with the nails issue. There are many sources describing the use of flesh as the best way to sound upon the lute, however, the use of nails was certainly a possibility. But only because three cats used it doesn't mean it was the general taste of those times. Just

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Just because Jimi Hendrix played with his teeth doesn't mean that everyone does it... Tongue under, if you must. On 12/10/2013 8:05 AM, Bruno Correia wrote: Here we go again with the nails issue. There are many sources describing the use of flesh as the best way to sound upon the

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Wasn't that thumb in cheek as invented by J. Gaultier? Am 10.12.2013 17:15, schrieb Dan Winheld: Just because Jimi Hendrix played with his teeth doesn't mean that everyone does it... Tongue under, if you must. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread theoj89294
When learning music by ear, it helps to be able to slow down fast passages to help discern the notes. Post vinyl LP, and Marantz 'Watergate cassette recorder, does anyone know of simple soft water that can do this? I am a mac user (but can run windows on VMWare if I have to). Thanks! -- To get

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread Omer Katzir
VLC can do that On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:27 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: When learning music by ear, it helps to be able to slow down fast passages to help discern the notes. Post vinyl LP, and Marantz 'Watergate cassette recorder, does anyone know of simple soft water that can do this? I am

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread David Morales
Audacity is your friend, check out these videos: [1]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=audacity+change+temposm =3 You can change the tempo without changing the pitch, for example. Regards. David Morales Cuerdas Pulsadas 2013/12/10 Omer Katzir [2]kome...@gmail.com

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread sbk
Try the ABRSM's Speedshifter. I haven't because it needs new OS than mine; http://gb.abrsm.org/en/exam-support/practice-tools-and-applications/spe edshifter/ Stephen --- Original message --- Subject: [LUTE] music slowing software? From: theoj89...@aol.com

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
Dear theoj89294, I use the Vox player on my mac for playing music files. It has an option for slowing down playback but you may have to save the track to your hard drive from the CD first. You can also download the free music editor Audacity and slow down tracks and save them. Sean

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread Miles Dempster
The Amazing Slow Downer is also your (Mac) friend... http://www.ronimusic.com/amsldox.htm Miles On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:44 PM, David Morales dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com wrote: Audacity is your friend, check out these videos:

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Mayes, Joseph
I play the lute, archlute and vihuela with nails for the same reason that I play the classical guitar with nails: because it sounds better! Of course, by that I mean it sounds better to me. Nails give the attack a precision that flesh does not. It also comes closer, IMHO to the sound usually

[LUTE] Hilliard ensemble

2013-12-10 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear All, Not directly lute-related, but I was sad today to learn of the imminent demise of the Hilliard Ensemble officially a year from now, exactly 41 years since they started. My memories of them include a concert at Durham University c.1982 when they sang mostly early 16th C English

[LUTE] Re: music slowing software?

2013-12-10 Thread Rockford Mjos
I use Transcribe on a Mac. http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html I can put in markers for measures, or sections. It will slow down the file by 1/2 or 1/4 with easy toggling between speeds. Clicking and dragging over a section will loop that -- and it can be a single note, a group

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
..and as we often say here in the CAL neighborhood, GO BEARS! (NOT debaitable.) On 12/10/2013 10:23 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: I play the lute, archlute and vihuela with nails for the same reason that I play the classical guitar with nails: because it sounds better! Of course, by that I mean it

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread sbk
I normally play with nails due to being primarily a CG-ist. Wanting to record some videos on my baroque guitar, because I'm away from guitars for 4 weeks, and because a broken nail decided the issue, I filed the rest away. First time in 31 years with no nails! Well I found it

[LUTE] Re: Hilliard ensemble

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Martin, I would say that 16th century English polyphony is directly lute-related. This is sad news indeed, but thanks for the heads-up. I will treasure their recordings all the more. My latest Renaissance lute student (the one who eagerly abandoned his mission to play lute music on his

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Good perspective, Joe. Astute inference from the injunctions against the procedure; much like the prevalence of tastini and meantone fretting being inferred by Vincenzo Galilei's injunctions against such usage. I believe (not sure) that Weiss's recommendation for nails- but only for ensemble

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Gary Boye
A few points to keep in mind, from a practical (not historical) position: 1) Everyone's fingers and fingertips are shaped differently. I have relatively long, skinny fingers: I literally can't play without some nail. Even if I clip them as short as comfortably possible, I still get a little

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread guitarandlute
I like nails, the sound of nails. I like nylon strings. Who knows what they would have used if they had modern strings, 600 sandpaper, and diamond files, not to mention super glue. I always think the point is to make pleasing music and have fun. It doesn't matter to me how anyone plays. Do

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread sterling price
Perhaps one reason nails are used on modern classical guitars is the very thick soundboard and high tension strings. On my 19th century Lacote guitar copy, no-nails sounds perfect and full. The sound of nails on plastic strings is sometimes grating to me. On the other hand, for me

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Neil Woodhouse
Here, Here. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of guitarandl...@earthlink.net Sent: 10 December 2013 19:42 To: Mayes,Joseph Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed I like nails, the

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread G. Crona
Where? Where? ;) - Original Message - From: Neil Woodhouse blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com To: guitarandl...@earthlink.net; 'Mayes,Joseph' ma...@rowan.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Here,

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Looking at the whole package let's consider these two situations: 1. My old pal Joe Mays plays with nails. 2. My archlute student has a very fine archlute by A. Holtz with this set-up: Single stringing throughout; Nylon, Carbon, and wire overspun basses. Very thick, single gut frets.

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Bruno Correia
It may sound good to you, but not for most of the lutenists out there. Ask Hoppy about this issue? Ok, you don't need to ask him, after all you don't ride a horse to the gig... Hey, I'd like to do that, the traffic has been so bad nowadays. The most frequent word to describe the

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Bruno Correia
Well, with our lifestyle they wouldn't have produced any lute music at all. With a big screen tv and an internet connection, Bach would have had far less kids around too... 2013/12/10 [1]guitarandl...@earthlink.net I like nails, the sound of nails. I like nylon strings.

[LUTE] Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
Since there appear to be lute players who use nails - a club I haven't joined and now I'm curious - I wonder if there are there people who use all gut and nails. Could they tell us their experience on how it affects the the life of the strings? Do they [the strings] wear excessively? Do

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Draughon
With Viagra he may have had more! Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com Sent from my iPhone 715-682-9362 On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, with our lifestyle they wouldn't have produced any lute music at all. With a big screen

[LUTE] Re: Hilliard ensemble

2013-12-10 Thread Ed Durbrow
I had a quick look up of the history of the group on Wikipedia. I had always assumed it was Paul Hillier’s group. I’m slightly out of touch as he left in the 80s! I went to their website and there was no mention of him. No mention about the group’s demise either. Them and Sequentia have been

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
If things weren't like they were, they'd be different! s On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Tom Draughon wrote: With Viagra he may have had more! Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com Sent from my iPhone 715-682-9362 On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Bruno Correia

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Mayes, Joseph
Well, I was sort of fearing some push-back from the tap-dancing barefoot crowd. I don't know how you can speak for most of the lutenists out there. I certainly only meant to speak for me. Sweetness requires nails. The sound - sort of a thub, thub one achieves without them is so unsatisfying as

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
Just to be sure, he used nails on _gut_? Ragossinig, too? When I played those records in my childhood I always assumed they were nylon strings. When would JB and KR have moved to nylon? Sean On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Allan Alexander wrote: Sean Bream used nails, so I guess it

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
Dear Joseph, You wrote, Because the stars do it one way - that's the right way. Regardless where the dogma is, I think your cart's mis-attached to my horse. As I understand how it came about for me: A: The history tells us something. B: The stars try it out. C: I like the aesthetic. D: I

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread sterling price
Regarding nails on gut strings--even people like Segovia used nails on gut for decades. I like those early recordings of modern guitars strung with gut. I think nylon strings came about after WWII. Sterling On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:46 PM, Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
I realize the guitar was strung in gut before nylon's appearance. Should I assume it had thicker diameters and higher tensions (?) than the lute strings of KR and JB - that is, if I understand Allan's note correctly that they played gut-strung lutes? Their lutes were post-war lutes and

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Yes indeed. Thicker diameter, higher tension, but a shorter string length relative to the lute vis-a-vis pitch. About .64 mm for top e string, at only 65 cm SL- (a lute would try to go up to f# at that length with only .40 mm thickness) and single strings cut expense, tuning, and replacement

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
Fascinating. I used to use gut on the top half of my old 55cm 8c and tune it to G. Those Wills' .50's would last months on the chanterelle. That would partly explain why those older guitars were a bit smaller. I should search out some pre-war CG recordings. And that Willie Nelson record