[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

2017-02-21 Thread sterling price
Aurthur-- Thanks for that info. I had seen the harpsichord version on Scribd, but no lute version there. O'dette's version is for 6 course lute and seems wonderfully complicated so I am hoping someone has it. Sterling

[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

2017-02-21 Thread AJN
Hello Sterling, The harpsichord version is readily available as No. 103 in Apel and Davison, _**Historical Anthology of Music**_ (the famous "HAM" to countless generations of music history students). Widely available in most libraries. Also see John Ward's article "The 'Dolfull Domps'" in

[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

2017-02-21 Thread LSA Lute Rental Program
--94eb2c129292162977054916b8fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 See if these work for you. Michael Michael M. Grant, PhD Director, Lute Rental Program Member, Board of Directors www.lutesocietyofamerica.org On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:05 PM, sterling price <

[LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe

2017-02-21 Thread sterling price
Hi all-- I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas? Thanks-- Sterling -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread jo.lued...@t-online.de
Dear Rainer, you're right: I didn't notice the dots. Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament Datum: 2017-02-21T17:27:22+0100 Von: "Rainer" An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" On 21.02.2017 16:28,

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Rainer, OK I'm a fan of Occam's razor too. But we can't do experiments on the past, the only evidence we have is what we have, and that is deeply unsatisfactory, I agree. So according to the evidence, Vallet didn't notate vibrato before 1620 because he didn't use it, then suddenly he

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Rainer
Dear Martin, ??? So you say, there is an undocumented and invisible ornament that cancels the meaning of the hold "slur" and indicates vibrato? As evidence you offer a book published 5 years later and books by others - published later. I would propose to apply Ockhams razor: this

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Rainer, Bar 7 is unplayable on a lute of any size if you try to hold all the notes. In fact I think it's likely that he intends a vibrato on the first note of the bar. There are no signs for vibrato in this book, but there are in the 1620 book (Regia Pietas), and the vibrato sign

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Rainer
On 21.02.2017 16:28, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote: Dear Rainer, agreed, when we take the pinky for the fifth finger, but where's the problem (unless one trie to play this on a 67 cm scale)? Addendum: Bar 7 IS unplayable on a 67cm lute - at least for my hands. Why doesn't he use the 7th

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Rainer
To everybody: Please do not reply "to all" unless you have a good reason. On 21.02.2017 16:28, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote: Dear Rainer, agreed, when we take the pinky for the fifth finger, but where's the problem (unless one trie to play this on a 67 cm scale)? The d on the 1st course

[LUTE] Re: an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread jo.lued...@t-online.de
Dear Rainer, agreed, when we take the pinky for the fifth finger, but where's the problem (unless one trie to play this on a 67 cm scale)? Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] an impossible ornament Datum: 2017-02-21T16:06:35+0100 Von: "Rainer" An:

[LUTE] an impossible ornament

2017-02-21 Thread Rainer
This ornament has to be played with the fifth finger: Vallet 1615, CNRS No. 65, page 161 or original source page 75 Bar 3. Good luck :) Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: More Vallet

2017-02-21 Thread Matthew Daillie
As I commented in my previous post, I don't consider this as an issue at all. Indeed it was also common practice in many French baroque tablatures to use lines to indicate the duration of open bass strings. I see them serving as a visual guide and a reminder to the player. Best, Matthew On

[LUTE] More Vallet

2017-02-21 Thread Rainer
As I already said, sometimes Vallet uses hold lines on empty strings. Here is an example: In "La Courante Sarabande" (CNRS No. 74, page 177 or original source page 83) in bar 21 (first bar in 3rd stave in the original) there is a hold line starting on the open 6th course. I think it should