[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Who knows, but his music was my own "gateway drug" that let me here. RT From: "Daniel Winheld" Is it true that Mark Twain actually wrote: "Wagner's music isn't nearly as bad as it sounds."? (Now THAT is clear, concise, communicative writing!) -- To get on or off this list see list inf

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Howard, before you really set out to position yourself as a shallow critic: you should at least try to acquaint yourself with Reger's music (a lot of it is rather grand, FYI...). You may even try some on your baroque lute, if you have scruples: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/REGER.pdf RT F

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Actually I found it rather sociopathic. RT On Jun 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Your LSAQ TJohnson-TBurris review was just plain odd. Thanks for the plug. -- Your LSAQ TJohnson-TBurris review was just plain odd. RT From: "howard posner" The Los Angeles Times c

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
meant LED me. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: review Who knows, but his music was my own "gateway drug" that let me here. RT From: "Daniel Winheld" I

[LUTE] Ukrainian Lute Iconography

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have reorganized the Ukrainian Lute Iconography pages, with much new, and much improved and detailed imagery: http://www.torban.org/mamai/mamai1.html http://www.torban.org/mamai/mamai2.html http://www.torban.org/mamai/mamai3.html Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
T - Original Message - From: "howard posner" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Net" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: review On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: before you really set out to position yourself as a shallow critic: you should a

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "howard posner" On Jun 1, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: These are HOWARD POSNER'S OWN words about Reger: Nice to see my name in bigger type than Reger's. That's what happens when lawyers lose vigilance about what they commit to e-mail. "

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
Whatever your perspicacity tells you. RT From: "howard posner" Your plug or my review? On Jun 1, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Actually I found it rather sociopathic. RT On Jun 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Your LSAQ TJohnson-TBurris review was just

[BAROQUE-LUTE] 2: Klaglied zum Regerstod

2009-06-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
Another version du meme, of the same: http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/regersklag2.pdf http://torban.org/audio/regersklag2.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/regerklag1.pdf http://torban.org/audio/regerklag1T.mp3 Amitiés. Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list s

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica LXXXIV

2009-06-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
A small exercice in ethnocentric minimalism for renaissance lute, on a "keening tune" thought to date from the pre-Christian times - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/241H.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/241.pdf Enjoy! Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list informa

[LUTE] Re: Ma mere Marie moy(?)

2009-06-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.colonialdancing.org/Easmes/Source5/S059030.htm rt - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ma mere Marie moy(?) On Fri, Jun 12, 2009, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi said: The name looks like something like "Ma mere Marie moy". it

[LUTE] Re: Ma mere Marie moy(?)

2009-06-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
t on it, perhaps the dot that Dana Emery saw, which would indicate that it would be past participle, thus "My Mother married me". Just a thought. Drew On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Roman Turovsky <[1]lu...@polyhymnion.org> wrote: [2]http://www.colonialdancing.

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica LXXXV

2009-06-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
"CANTIO RUTHENICA LXXXV" - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/242.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/242L.mp3 Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica LXXXVI "Eroica"

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/243.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/243H.mp3 Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is much better to live without furniture. And the acoustics in the apartment would are a lot better that way. Thankfully both my wife and I hate furniture, and we had zen furnishings for years. RT - Original Message - From: ""Mathias Rösel"" To: Cc: "Lute list" Sent: Tuesday, Jun

[LUTE] Re: lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/240.pdfIs a wedding song. There is a youtube video of another version of the same sung by Nadia Tarnawska with Brian Kay on theorbo. Nadia sang in in NYC on saturday, sadly without the theorbo.Ой гиля-гиля Гусоньки на Став Добрий вечір, Дівчино, бо я ще й

[LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song?

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
gs (in polish language called Duma) and teach some boys in Lviv. His songs was not sugary. GJ Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:23 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Those are rarely a pleasure to hear, as they mostly play sugary 20th century fare. RT - Original Message - From: "Grzegorz Joachimi

[LUTE] Re: lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bVR7JJoLU&feature=channel_page RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Grzegorz Joachimiak" ; "lute List" Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] lute songs or pieces for weddin

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica LXXXVIII

2009-06-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/inages/245.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/245.mp3 and also http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/177.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/177.mp3 which was missing since 2006. Enjoy, & Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list info

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Ruthenica LXXXVIII

2009-06-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
OOps: http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/245.pdf RT http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/inages/245.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/245.mp3 and also http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/177.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/177.mp3 which was missing since 2006. Enjoy,

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Ruthenica LXXXVIII

2009-06-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
Twist my arm, Dan! - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/246.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/246L.mp3 This one is called "Chervena Kurochka, Bilyj Koghut" ie Red Hen & White Cockerel. Amitiés, RT From: "Daniel Winheld" Roman- very nice one, thanks! Keep them coming. Dan -- T

[LUTE] Re: workshop-masterclass

2009-06-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
There are at least a half dozen lutenists in Ljubljana, tha main being Boris Sinigoj. RT From: "David van Ooijen" David - will play in Slovenia in three weeks from now, anybody in the list from around there? I haven't checked the cities or venues yet, just know the dates: 6, 7 and 8 July. --

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica XC

2009-06-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/247.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/247L.mp3 one more. RT Twist my arm, Dan! - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/246.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/246L.mp3 This one is called "Chervena Kurochka, Bilyj Koghut" ie Red Hen & Whit

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Ruthenica XCI

2009-06-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/248.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/248H.mp3 one more RT http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/247.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/247L.mp3 one more. RT Twist my arm, Dan! - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/246.pdf http:/

[LUTE] `rev. CANTIO SARMATICA XXXV

2009-07-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
I've revisited an old sarmatic piece http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/audio/CS35a.mp3 (played by Rob MacKillop), adding diminuitions in a- and g-, idiomatic to each key- http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/images/sarmatica35a.pdf http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/audio/35aH.mp3 http://www.torban.o

[LUTE] Cantiones Ruthenicae XCII et XCIII

2009-07-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
- From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" ; Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: `rev. CANTIO SARMATICA XXXV I've revisited an old sarmatic piece http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/audio/CS35a.mp3 (played by Rob MacKillop), adding diminuitions in a- and g-, id

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Ruthenica XCIII

2009-07-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
A version of XCIII for voice and archlute (or 10c), for your perusal:http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/MZvocal.pdfhttp://www.torban.org/pisni/images/MZvocal.midRT 2 new items for yout perusal and delectation- http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/250.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audi

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Ruthenica XCIII

2009-07-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Demangling the URL: A version of XCIII for voice and archlute (or 10c), for your perusal: http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/MZvocal.pdf http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/MZvocal.mid RT 2 new items for yout perusal and delectation- http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/250.pdf http://ww

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
d, at most good for a cabaret. Now!, I see, it has it's class and composers. Tomorrow we'll need a true replica ;-)) j _ On 2009-07-10, at 00:03, Roman Turovsky wrote: I think it is a contraption that inserts a metal platelet between hammers and strings, and creates a s

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
I think it is a contraption that inserts a metal platelet between hammers and strings, and creates a sort of a "whorehouse harpsichord". It was much loved by both Dessau and Eisler. RT (fan of both) - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" Sent: Thursd

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
There are rumors out there that Adamo's lute is an angelique in "Bourgete's" tuning. RT From: "Jerzy Zak" On 2009-07-10, at 12:11, David Tayler wrote: The problem here is that single stringing is historical, .. Yeee... There are men who loves "chaos", they need it to breath, to florish, in

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
I meant "Burguete's" tuning. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Jerzy Zak" ; "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Erzlaute There are rumors out there that Adamo's lute

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
The englaving is unusually precise. Look for the strange slots cut in the walls of the pegbox. especially the bass side. It sure looks like an angelique to me. RT - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" To: "Karl-L. Eggert" Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have it on good authority that some angeliques were later tuned in d-minor on 5 upper courses, with at least one ms. source with such a tuning. RT - Original Message - From: To: "Karl-L. Eggert" ; "Jerzy Zak" ; "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "lute-c

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
t" ; "Jerzy Zak" ; "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute Roman, And stepwise from the fifth course on down? This would give Mr. Falckenhagen's thumb

[LUTE] Re: A new CD by Angelo Barricelli

2009-07-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.chitarraedintorni.eu/From_Borderlands_cd_eventi.htm 2 ukrocentric pieces by yours truly (in guitar transcriptions) have apparently been included in "FROM BORDERLANDS", an excellent new CD by Angelo Barricelli! Evviva! RT http://www.chitarraedintorni.eu/From_Borderlands_cd_eventi.ht

[LUTE] Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
I've put together a page with the Falkenhagen engraving and a detail from an angelique that is VERY similar to the one he is playing - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/falkenhagen There is also no apparent evidence that he is fretting beyond the 5th course, which fits the puzzle. As to the blank

[LUTE] CANTIO RUTHENICA XCIV

2009-07-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/251.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/251L.mp3 Enjoy! Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "howard posner" I've put together a page with the Falkenhagen engraving and a detail from an angelique that is VERY similar to the one he is playing - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/falkenhagen Interesting. Thanks for putting this up. I wonder if there's reason to believe this sort of

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's baroque lute - was: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread Roman Turovsky
On the engraving Falckenhagen plays a converted angelique, so Howard's question is of little relevance here. RT - Original Message - From: "Markus Lutz" To: "howard posner" Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: [LUTE] Falkenhagen's baroque lut

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's baroque lute - was: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread Roman Turovsky
And neither does the rose. RT - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's baroque lute - was: Falkenhagen's Angelique Thanks to Markus and Chris for the info--this is a very interesting

[LUTE] 3 more...

2009-07-19 Thread Roman Turovsky
..sets of ukrocentric diminuitions for renaissance lute- http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/252.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/252L.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/253.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/253L.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/254.p

[LUTE] Re: 3 more...

2009-07-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
Une outre - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/255.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/255L.mp3 Amitiés, RT ...sets of ukrocentric diminuitions for renaissance lute- http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/252.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/252L.mp3 http://www.torban

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: >I missed the whole threat of discussion >here, thus I am not so >enlightened as I should probably be... Don't worry, there's always the lingering threat that actual discussion will break out on this list, but that rarely happens. Chris Sorry, I've been busy lately, and couldn't be more

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
You shouldn't get preoccupied: I certainly wouldn't advocate a capo for any of my music. RT From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" My apologies, Daniel, Franz, et al. I sincerely intended no offense (or even threat) with the "silly" comment. That was more meant for ribbing than as a serious attack on all

[LUTE] Re: 3 more...

2009-07-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
Et une plus - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/256.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/256L.mp3 Amitiés, RT Une outre - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/255.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/255L.mp3 Amitiés, RT ...sets of ukrocentric diminuitions for renaissa

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica 100

2009-07-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/257.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/257L.mp3 RT Et une plus - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/256.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/256L.mp3 Amitiés, RT Une outre - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/255.pdf http:/

[LUTE] Re: Kobza required

2009-07-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Good luck finding one in the UK. There are a dozen or so players in Ukraine, but none in UK. Are you sure it wasn't a UK play being presented? Ukes are occasionally taken for Brits. RT - Original Message - From: "Ron Fletcher" To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Sunday, July 26, 200

[LUTE] Re: Kobza required

2009-07-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
- Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Kobza required Good luck finding one in the UK. There are a dozen or so players in Ukraine, but none in UK. Are you sure it wasn't a UK play

[LUTE] Re: Kobza required

2009-07-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
- From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Kobza required Myron Postolan, a Uke from GB, is a competent bandurist, that could probably be a good substitute for the real thing, but I think he actually emigrated from

[LUTE] Re: Tab editor

2009-07-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
Alain's site is up and running - http://musickshandmade.com/lute/pages/django RT - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall" To: "TonyChalkley" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tab editor Does anyone know what is happening wiht Django as the las

[LUTE] Re: SAUTSCHECKS LIEDERKREIS > Polish

2009-07-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have started a new page devoted to Polish lute-songs, with only one item (but in 2 versions, and I hope it would grow...), a song commonly, but likely erroneously ascribed to Tomasz Padura - http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/polish.html Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list informa

[LUTE] Re: Tab editor

2009-07-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
al...@musickshandmade.com RT - Original Message - From: "A.J. Padilla, M.D." To: "'List LUTELIST'" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tab editor Does anyone know how to contact Alain Veylit either by his email or via his website? I bought and registered a

[LUTE] Eduard Drach and Historicism

2009-08-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
Eduard Drach, a great Ukrainian singer, kobzar and composer, is releasing a CD of (mostly) his own psalms and ballads in the authentic 17-18th century Ukrainian style (I have adapted a few of these for baroque lute in recent years http://www.torban.org/pisni/drach.html ). The whole CD can be he

[LUTE] Re: OT: fun piece for Dutch guitar players

2009-08-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botzaris RT - Original Message - From: ""Mathias Rösel"" To: "LuteNet list" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: fun piece for Dutch guitar players "Ed Durbrow" schrieb: Marco Botzaris So who was Marco Botzaris? S

[LUTE] Re: Lute tablature with lilypond (again)

2009-09-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Error: Текущая сессия истекла или не была корректно установлена.. Пожалуйста, повторите вход. Must be a Linux problem..\ RT - Original Message - From: "alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute tablature with lilypond (again)

[LUTE] Re: Lute tablature with lilypond (again)

2009-09-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
I doubt many people here would be able to navigate the Russian interface of 4SHARED, but I did manage. The verdict: visually execrable. RT - Original Message - From: "alexander" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:26 PM Subject:

[LUTE] Re: baroque lute question

2009-09-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
Action: 3.5mm at the 8th fret is standard. 13course bridge: no less than 150mm between outer courses. Anything less - caveat emptor! I have 155mm, and small hands. Order instruments close to where you live, unless you can afford to travel: they do need repairs and adjustments. RT - Origina

[LUTE] Re: revisitatio cantiones ruthenicae 256

2009-09-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
2 different expanded versions (in a and c) of the 99th ruthenica - http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/256a.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/256aL.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/256c.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/256cL.mp3 Enjoy, RT To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Mark Probert" I am a novice when it comes to listening to "new lute music". And, to be honest, these works don't really do anything for me, much as I appreciate their harmonic intensity and Mr Andersson's playing. It seems, to my naif ear, that the composers don't really understand the

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
It seems that the richness of lute overtones is NOT conducive to gratuitous dissonance that is de rigeur in most modernist and neomodernist music. And that naturally translates as acoustically inappropriate on a lute (especially baroque, much more than renaissance one). RT - Original Mess

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Temperament is not really an issue here. I am for one is absolutely happy to use ET, and I use it exclusively. As a matter of fact I find MT's excessive overemphasis of acoustic differences of chords quite irritating. RT From: "Mark Probert" RT> It seems that the richness of lute overtones i

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
ot; To: "Lute list" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New lute music I hadn't thought of overtones. But this would explain why the more "tonal" music actually sounds a lot better. Thanks for that thought. Suzanne ---

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
- Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Lute list" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New lute music Dear Roman and other dears, On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:23:21 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: [...] I am for one is absolutely

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
UTE] Re: New lute music Dear Roman and other dears, On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:23:21 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: [...] > I am for one is absolutely happy to use ET, and I use it exclusively. Poor you... ;-) I guess you'll never get your ET absolute. Neither does anyone else. We non E

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Wanting really to be frindly I continue: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:42:09 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: Not really. Not really what? Your position on this matter is not really universal. There is no contradiction between ET and preJSB styles either. Even after JSB there never

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest [was: Re: New lute music]

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Duffin's book is a bit tendentious. I would tend to Mark Twain's exhortation to "Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see." RT ps SOME keyboards were splitkeyed, NOT many. From: "Mark Probert" RT> ET was invented long before, and was advocated by Galilei, Frescobaldi, RT> Werckmeiste

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
2009 7:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New lute music On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:52:10 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: Even after JSB there never was any ET for many, many years! For example Chopin never met ET. ET is an invention of 20th century. ET was invented long before, and was adv

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
times. Do look in the archives. RT - Original Message - From: "Mark Probert" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New lute music Roman wrote: RT> ...and some early music playable only

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
There a significant amount of period music that sounds terrible in MT. Anything that modulated enharmonically, really. RT - Original Message - From: "Mark Probert" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:23 PM Subject:

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
e: ET FunFest On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Them Egyptians had no tools to build pyramids either. Etruscans had no tools to build the city wall of Amelia. However we have those walls, and some early music playable only in ET. Your analogy is rather less solid than the p

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest [was: Re: New lute music]

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is often "not to be believed...". RT From: "David Rastall" I would tend to Mark Twain's exhortation to "Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see." With the possible exception of the lute list? ;-) D To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmout

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sliding in and out requires THE box, which is ET. Try sliding around MT, and you'd really start believing Tony Rooley RT - Original Message - From: "David Rastall" To: "howard posner" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: ET FunFest On S

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
BTW, it would a single untrue gut string (and they rarely true) to completely render useless all notions of temperamental precision. Take T.Satoh's Weichenberger CD, and peruse it! RT - Original Message - From: "Mark Probert" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc:

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Our perception of the early "lack of tools" is undermined from time to time by discoveries of early tools. RT - Original Message - From: "howard posner" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: ET FunFest On S

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]New lute music and ET

2009-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
and composes for his Harmonic Piano tuned in just intonation by having 12 keys to the octave. Regards, Leonard Williams On 9/25/09 7:18 PM, "wikla" wrote: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:52:10 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: Even after JSB there never was any ET for many, many

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
The Russian theorbo piece is quite nice (albeit too guitaristic for my taste. Sounds a bit like Piazzolla, but somewhat diluted). RT - Original Message - From: "Ed Durbrow" To: "LuteNet list" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New lute music On Sep 25,

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]New lute music and ET

2009-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
To which I hasten to add that it is obvious and self-evident that GOOD music does not rely on temperament for its interest. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Leonard Williams" ; "Lute List" Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:25 AM

[LUTE] Re: lute music, ET, etc

2009-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: In fact, modern players of orchestral instruments do this all the time. Modern >bowed string players tune their open strings to perfect (i.e. not equal) 5ths. They >do their darnedest to play any fingered fourth or fifth as a perfect fifth as well, >but this doesn't mean that they play

[LUTE] The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is, if you consider the larger culturological picture of modernity. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:53:34 -0400, "Roma

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
13:09:07 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: It is, if you consider the larger culturological picture of modernity. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes On S

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
It could have been funny once, but with all his "music" basically the same - the joke quickly loses the comedic part, leaving behing nothing but the joke RT - Original Message - From: "Christopher Stetson" To: "David Rastall" ; "Roman Turovsky

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Maybe I should translate his "prose" sometime, for our delectation. It is written in normal sentences, but the content is even worse than in his "music". RT - Original Message - From: To: "Roman Turovsky" ; "David Rastall" Cc: "Lute

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
tle and credits. Thanks, and keep playing (lute!) Will do. RT Chris. >>> "Roman Turovsky" 10/5/2009 9:32 AM >>> Maybe I should translate his "prose" sometime, for our delectation. It is written in normal sentences, but the content is even worse

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
t;David Rastall" Cc: "Roman Turovsky" ; "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes This is something I strongly disagree! Roman said that "EM revival in general was a reaction to this type of (neo)modernism&quo

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Stuart Walsh" Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would have been so easily laughing back then. Now all that - Stockhausen, Berio etc has almost all gone. In Britai

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "David Rastall" On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: "Stuart Walsh" Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would hav

[LUTE] Re: Beethoven Quartets

2009-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
Even better - Sandor Vegh Quartet. RT - Original Message - From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Beethoven Quartets Dear Oskar and All, My favorites (especially the Opus 132) are by the Quaretto Italiano. The vibrato doesn't seem as i

[LUTE] Re: Beethoven Quartets

2009-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Daniel Winheld" >Even better - Sandor Vegh Quartet. RT The Vegh are superb. The only group that makes the Bartok quartets truly enjoyable & comprehensible to me. Haven't heard their Beethoven; until then I second the Italiano. The Borodin are very good, vibrato very much under control-

[LUTE] Re: More grist for the mill

2009-10-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sting has a new album out, IF ON WINTERS NIGHT, and it has some of his own archluting on it, among the songs by Purcell, Schubert, the Anon, and some Folk stuff. Quite well done actually. RT - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:45 AM Subject: [LUTE] More

[LUTE] cantio ruthenica 101

2009-10-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/258.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/258H.mp3 Amitiès,' RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] OT: sarmatoruthenian sources and inspirations

2009-10-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
For those interested in sarmatoruthenian sources and inspirations: There is a documentary film about the ensemble DREVO, one of the 2 or 3 surviving great choirs of old women in Ukraine, at http://plavska.livejournal.com/69280.html RT http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/258.pdf http://w

[LUTE] Re: OT: sarmatoruthenian sources and inspirations

2009-10-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
Apparently it is not a public post. I have reposted it in mine: http://masaccio.livejournal.com/ RT - Original Message - From: "Stuart Walsh" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: ; "Lutelist" ; Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT

[LUTE] cantio ruthenica CII

2009-10-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/259.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/259H.mp3 Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: cantio ruthenica CII

2009-10-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
ginal Message ----- From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Lutelist" ; Cc: Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] cantio ruthenica CII http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/259.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/259H.mp3 Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica CIII

2009-11-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/260.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/260h.mp3 Enjoy! Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica CIV

2009-11-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
THis one requires the 5th course to be in unison, so this item might be better played on a vihuela: http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/261.pdf http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/261H.mp3 Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.ed

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: [english 100%] Black Cow. [Scanned]

2009-11-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
you can always select "view message as HTML" and then right-click the file directly in the message. RT - Original Message - From: "Karl-L. Eggert" To: "Ed Durbrow" ; "LuteNet list" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: [english 100%] Black

[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica CV

2009-11-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/263c.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/263cL.mp3 a slightly different version from the Western part of the country- http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/262c.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/262cL.mp3 Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on

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