[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-02-01 Thread Herbert Ward
Re spotlights: different colored strings will react differently. Coincidence? Plausibly not a coincidence. Different colors absorb radiant heat differently. For example, if you want to stay cool in sunlight, you'd wear red or white clothing, which reflects infrared.* Conversely, to get maximum

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-19 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
As has been alluded in many replies, lutes don't necessarily stay in tune when subject to variable environments. The question might be more appropriately phrased as What makes lutes going out of tune less problematic? One thing I have not seen mentioned is minimizing friction over the nut. This

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-19 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Benjamin Narvey Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:54 AM To: Franz Mechsner Cc: David van Ooijen; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune? Dear Franz, Both: the lighting produces incredible amounts of heat, as does

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-19 Thread nedmast2
Absolutely, Eugene. While my nylgut or nylon strings remain quite stable day to day, I find myself having to retune the wound strings daily. Mostly downward (they get sharp). So obviously they are binding at the nut. I really must take them off and see if I can file the nut

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com wrote: In answer to the question what makes a lute stay in tune? I respond: certainly *not* high-intensity lighting! Been there, done that. |-( David -- *** David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread Franz Mechsner
09:40 An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com wrote: In answer to the question what makes a lute stay in tune? I respond: certainly *not* high-intensity lighting

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread Lex van Sante
] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com wrote: In answer to the question what makes a lute stay in tune? I respond: certainly *not* high-intensity lighting! Been there, done that. |-( David

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread Benjamin Narvey
van Ooijen   Gesendet: Mo 18.01.2010 09:40   An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?   On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com   wrote:   In answer to the question what makes a lute stay in tune? I   respond

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote: Stupid question: How does lightning dis-balance the tuning? Is it heat? Or maybe the human warmth of the crowd instead? It's not heat in itself that affects the tuning, but humidity, which is relative to the

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread David Tayler
After tuning the organ it is always fun to put both arms down on the keyboard after unplugging it to push all the warm air out. Re spotlights: different colored strings will react differently. Coincidence? dt At 12:54 AM 1/18/2010, you wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Franz Mechsner

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Hi Ed, It didn't seem to like the (very rare) dry weather in England when it was put under tension...the soundboard shrank due to the low humidity, and this caused the glue to give way, and the string tension did the rest Ouch. Just got word today that the repair is alomost done, so I'll

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-18 Thread vance wood
PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune? Hi Ed, It didn't seem to like the (very rare) dry weather in England when it was put under tension...the soundboard shrank due to the low humidity, and this caused the glue to give way, and the string tension did the rest Ouch. Just

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-17 Thread Ron Fletcher
] On Behalf Of Mark Probert Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:46 AM To: Herbert Ward; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune? At the risk of speaking out of turn here (I am not a maker)... HW HW Ignoring for a moment the tuning instability of gut strings, what HW

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-17 Thread David Tayler
To say in tune, the lute must achieve equilibrium. To do that, it has to be constructed in such a way that after a while, it slows the inner movement to a very small amount. I would say of the ones I have played about ten to fifteen percent do this. Next, the string tension must be balanced or

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-17 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If the string tension is balancd, all strigs have the same pull, e.g. 3.5 Kg/N. If the strings are graded, there is a tapering of the tension. Interestingly, among hip-string players Equal Tension is the buzz words for

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-17 Thread David Tayler
I use equal on my two continuo theorbos, and tapered for the solo instruments, the theorbo and the archlute. I think the equal is the most stable but the bass is too loud for solo work. dt At 02:47 AM 1/17/2010, you wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-17 Thread Benjamin Narvey
In answer to the question what makes a lute stay in tune? I respond: certainly *not* high-intensity lighting! I played a concert today with my newly gut-strung 11c (using Mimmo Peruffo's very laudable loaded bass strings) and a theorbo partially strung with Venice diapasons. The tuning was

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-16 Thread vance wood
I would say that would be the job of well made and well set pegs. An argument could be made for the actual strength of the Lute's construction, making the assumption that the entire instrument may shrink or expand with the level of humidity but I find this specious. Is staying in tune the sign

[LUTE] Re: What makes a lute stay in tune?

2010-01-16 Thread Mark Probert
At the risk of speaking out of turn here (I am not a maker)... HW HW Ignoring for a moment the tuning instability of gut strings, what HW construction details make a lute stay in tune better? Is staying HW in tune a sign of a good lute? HW Wood, by its nature, will absorb moisture. As it