[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Simple physics: the strings are not uniform along their lengths, something that is actually difficult to achieve but something we have become accustomed to with newer more sophisticated methods of making strings. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

originale- From: Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:33 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves Guys, This discussion is not about whether one should use pythagorean or equal temperament, it is about two strings in octavbles on the same

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Guys, This discussion is not about whether one should use pythagorean or equal temperament, it is about two strings in octavbles on the same course not being in tune together, by the time I've reached 5th fret, and the dissonance increases as I go beyond 5th fret. the only change

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

To: Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves Mimmo, Just to see if I have understood you correctly, please confirm or correct the following statement, which tries to put your explanation in another way: If you want to have the octave at the same tension as the fundamental, you must choose

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

-Messaggio originale- From: Matthew Daillie > Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:49 AM > To: Dan Winheld > Cc: Miles Dempster ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves > > This is still very much a moot point. Some of the (numerous) interpretation

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Sorry, I meant 'pure', not 'perfect'. Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:43, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > None of the intervals are perfect in equal temperament (they all 'beat'). I > agree with the the major third on the open strings of a modern guitar being >

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

None of the intervals are perfect in equal temperament (they all 'beat'). I agree with the the major third on the open strings of a modern guitar being classed as an imperfect consonance, but Ron describes it as being 'dissonant'. Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:18, Lex van Sante

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

In the "dark times", actually medieval times, they used the Pythagorean tuning, in which the major third is even larger than in the equal temperament. That third really is very dissonant! Arto On 01/03/17 10:18, Lex van Sante wrote: The major third is a dissonance in equal temperament

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves This is still very much a moot point. Some of the (numerous) interpretations of the recent discoveryof a possible period stringing list lead to the conclusion that octaves were strung at the same tension as fundamentals but it certainly hasn't

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Dear All, A few points which might help clarify the discussion: Maybe the problem with the CD string is is has stretched more in the section on the fingerboard than the section nearer the bridge - as Mimmo says, a good test is to turn the string round. No problem with having equal tension

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

The major third is a dissonance in equal temperament because it is way too big. Even the perfect major third was considered to be an imperfect consonance in the dark ages. Lex > Op 1 mrt. 2017, om 09:03 heeft Matthew Daillie het > volgende geschreven: > > Could you

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Could you explain what you mean Ron, I don't understand this at all. Why do you say the interval of a third is a dissonant interval? Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 5:13, Ron Andrico wrote: > > 3) It's not the g string on guitar that is the cause of the tuning >

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

02-28 9:48 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves > > Actually there is another solution to this. You'll probably all think > that I am crazy, but I'll suggest it anyway since it is used by some > guitar

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Why would you have a perfect fifth, are you using a temperament with perfect fifths on your lute?? Best Matthew > On Mar 1, 2017, at 0:28, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote: > > So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets > were adjusted for one

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

This is still very much a moot point. Some of the (numerous) interpretations of the recent discoveryof a possible period stringing list lead to the conclusion that octaves were strung at the same tension as fundamentals but it certainly hasn't been proven as far as I know. I find that

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Sorry, but I simply can't accept the idea that the old ones couldn't > tell whether or not they were in tune. I understood the earlier post to mean that they could tell, but lived with it, rather as we accept that

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:28 AM To: Dan Winheld Cc: Arto Wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves Hello all So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets were adjusted for one string properly... and conclusion is that the loaded CD

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

device over Canada's largest network. > > Original message > From: Miles Dempster <miles.demps...@gmail.com> > Date: 2017-02-28 9:48 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves > > Actually there is another solutio

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

: 2017-02-28 9:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves Actually there is another solution to this. You'll probably all think that I am crazy, but I'll suggest it anyway since it is used by some guitar makers when crafting the nut, and

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

gt; Original message > From: Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> > Date: 2017-02-28 8:07 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Miles Dempster <miles.demps...@gmail.com>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves > > On 2/28/2017 4:06 P

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. > > Original message > From: Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> > Date: 2017-02-28 8:07 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Miles Dempster <miles.demps...@gmail.com>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject:

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

. Original message From: Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> Date: 2017-02-28 8:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Miles Dempster <miles.demps...@gmail.com>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves On 2/28/2017 4:06 PM, Miles Dempster wrote: "Ma

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

On 2/28/2017 4:06 PM, Miles Dempster wrote: "Maybe it could help if the octave is closer in tension to the fundamental." Bingo!- Miles wins. It became a custom to string lutes with absurdly slack octaves early in the lute re-Renaissance, as they were functionally useless; the overspun basses

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Dear collective wisdom, I once attempted to compute the amount by which the placement of a fret has to be adjusted to compensate for the increase in tension that arises when you depress it onto the fret. If I remember my conclusions, correctly, when you press the string down, the

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hello all So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets were adjusted for one string properly... and conclusion is that the loaded CD nylgut goes flat as you go up the scale on the neck...by the time I get to the 7th fret I no longer have a perfect fifth.

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

yes it is the first time I use non wound strings on my basses. I have used gut octaves for 30 years and have never had the problem, at least not to that extent. I understand the action can be part of the problem, although. I will test the pitch on the strings taken

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Bruno- Is this the first time you have ever used non-overspun basses? That may explain your problem rather than the loaded CD string specifically. It's a totally different feel, whether the thick basses are actual gut of one sort or another or a synthetic that mimics a gut bass string. (I

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Unfortunately this is a common issue with a lot of strings. One thing you could try is to put the CD string on the other way around. Very often that solves the problem or at least makes it less prominent. I even had a similar issue with a long PVF string that I cut in two to put on the 5th

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hi Bruno No problems on my archlute's 6th and 7th. CDs and NNG octaves. Arto On 28/02/17 19:56, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote: Dear Collective wisdom, I have been tuning my 5 and 6th course in octaves for years, with wound strings and gut or nylgut. recently I bought the CD loaded

[LUTE] Re: basses in octaves

Hi Bruno, We have received the same feedback from a couple of customers these days at Cuerdas Pulsadas, so I am going to try them in the renaissance lute to check if this is something specific of not. Regards. 2017-02-28 9:56 GMT-08:00 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier