[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
Dear Martin and others-- Could you give advice on specifics for stringing an attiorbato with no wound strings? I have an attiorbato sized 57x85 and it is currently tuned in g at 415hz. All double courses except the top string. At this size should I go to a higher pitch? I would like to try nylgut or similar. I have long loved the liuto attiorbato as I think it is the perfect all purpose lute. One can play almost 100 percent of the lute rep, from renaissance to baroque ( with the correct strings of course). Sterling Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Martin- that is one sweet looking masterpiece; I would have killed for one (or paid you to build one!) back in 1999 when I was working on Piccinini a whole lot. Perfect symmetry! The historic survivors vary a bit in this regard, yours looks just like one of the better ones that I have seen. Not being able to get one was part of what prompted me to go for a Chambure vihuela copy when I became aware of that new find. I like how your playing smooths out on the Piccinini as you get further into the piece- I hope you can build one for yourself, so that your own playing comes up to your 6-course fluency. The double chanterelle is a feature that I have been struggling with (on the Vihuela) for years; first it took a long time to get the stringing to work- string material/diameter/tension/pitch level combo right, and then more time getting the touch right. But so worth it! At it's best, there is a wonderful concord unity with all the other double courses, but when out of sorts or practice it can really suck. I can see why there was such controversy about double vs. single for quite a while back in the day. I would conjecture that some modern approaches to the liuto attorbiato design with short but single diapasons are indeed taking advantage of wire overspun basses that have enough harmonic overtones to get away with no 8ve strings, but can still give a bit of the feel of that long, extended neck growl and twang so typical of archlutes theorbi. For the liuto attorbiato, I much prefer your solution- because it is not, after all, an archlute (much less a theorbo). Congrats, and I hope you build more! Dan On 10/18/2014 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
I just had a quick scan - will read the text later. It looks beautiful, but I can't get the sound file to play. I'm on an iMac, using Safari. Rob On 18 October 2014 16:06, Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: [2]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [3]http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk 2. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html 3. http://www.avast.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
Hi Martin, That's a nice essay on the instrument. Thanks for championing the doubled courses - and the doubled top course. (I have a doubled chanterelle on my bass lute and do appreciate it.) And it's a stunning lute! I was not able to play the Piccininni for some reason. I tried it in two browsers. best wishes, Sean On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
it is slow loading, but works fine if you have Quicktime. RT On 10/18/2014 11:58 AM, Sean Smith wrote: Hi Martin, That's a nice essay on the instrument. Thanks for championing the doubled courses - and the doubled top course. (I have a doubled chanterelle on my bass lute and do appreciate it.) And it's a stunning lute! I was not able to play the Piccininni for some reason. I tried it in two browsers. best wishes, Sean On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
Get Martin to build you one- then you can play it anytime without any damn Quicktime or lazy browsers. On 10/18/2014 8:58 AM, Sean Smith wrote: Hi Martin, That's a nice essay on the instrument. Thanks for championing the doubled courses - and the doubled top course. (I have a doubled chanterelle on my bass lute and do appreciate it.) And it's a stunning lute! I was not able to play the Piccininni for some reason. I tried it in two browsers. best wishes, Sean On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
Martin- that is one sweet looking masterpiece; I would have killed for one (or paid you to build one!) back in 1999 when I was working on Piccinini a whole lot. Perfect symmetry! The historic survivors vary a bit in this regard, yours looks just like one of the better ones that I have seen. Not being able to get one was part of what prompted me to go for a Chambure vihuela copy when I became aware of that new find. I like how your playing smooths out on the Piccinini as you get further into the piece- I hope you can build one for yourself, so that your own playing comes up to your 6-course fluency. The double chanterelle is a feature that I have been struggling with (on the Vihuela) for years; first it took a long time to get the stringing to work- string material/diameter/tension/pitch level combo right, and then more time getting the touch right. But so worth it! At it's best, there is a wonderful concord unity with all the other double courses, but when out of sorts or practice it can really suck. I can see why there was such controversy about double vs. single for quite a while back in the day. I would conjecture that some modern approaches to the liuto attorbiato design with short but single diapasons are indeed taking advantage of wire overspun basses that have enough harmonic overtones to get away with no 8ve strings, but can still give a bit of the feel of that long, extended neck growl and twang so typical of archlutes theorbi. For the liuto attorbiato, I much prefer your solution- because it is not, after all, an archlute (much less a theorbo). Congrats, and I hope you build more! Dan On 10/18/2014 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato
Thank you again Martin for having built such a wonderful instrument for me. it was my request to have an instrument as close as possible to the disposition of the surviving models, because I was persuaded that by doing so, it could reveal unexpected solutions of unsolved musical and technical questions . For instance, the kind of dedillo described by Piccinini is so much more obvious with low tension, and works more efficiently with double chanterelle ! We were both conscious that it was a bit risky, but you went all the way for me, and you made the right decisions while building the lute. Yes, it works Le Samedi 18 octobre 2014 18h53, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net a ecrit : Martin- that is one sweet looking masterpiece; I would have killed for one (or paid you to build one!) back in 1999 when I was working on Piccinini a whole lot. Perfect symmetry! The historic survivors vary a bit in this regard, yours looks just like one of the better ones that I have seen. Not being able to get one was part of what prompted me to go for a Chambure vihuela copy when I became aware of that new find. I like how your playing smooths out on the Piccinini as you get further into the piece- I hope you can build one for yourself, so that your own playing comes up to your 6-course fluency. The double chanterelle is a feature that I have been struggling with (on the Vihuela) for years; first it took a long time to get the stringing to work- string material/diameter/tension/pitch level combo right, and then more time getting the touch right. But so worth it! At it's best, there is a wonderful concord unity with all the other double courses, but when out of sorts or practice it can really suck. I can see why there was such controversy about double vs. single for quite a while back in the day. I would conjecture that some modern approaches to the liuto attorbiato design with short but single diapasons are indeed taking advantage of wire overspun basses that have enough harmonic overtones to get away with no 8ve strings, but can still give a bit of the feel of that long, extended neck growl and twang so typical of archlutes theorbi. For the liuto attorbiato, I much prefer your solution- because it is not, after all, an archlute (much less a theorbo). Congrats, and I hope you build more! Dan On 10/18/2014 8:06 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some of the considerations which went into it, at: [1]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html Martin --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [2]http://www.avast.com To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html 2. http://www.avast.com/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
