Re: [Lynx-dev] 2.8.6dev.1.patch.gz

2004-04-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere...

* use autoconf 2.52 (plus patches), to simplify use in cross-compiling -TD

Please noo...

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schmutzige Tricks, wie bei einer doppelt verketteten Liste beide
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Does SCO have the right to threaten Linux?

2004-07-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere...

From tx.religion:
[ snipped off-topic stuff ]

Sorry, lynx-dev is not a GNU/Linux discussion mailing list;
in fact, lynx does not have to do anything with Linux and
isn't a GNU project (luckily).

Many people here use lynx on systems other than GNU OSses,
for example MirOS.

bye,
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postino.it, simplesnet.pt, spymac.com, tatanova.com, tiscali.co.uk,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Japanese (JIS, EUC, Shift-JIS), uxterm

2004-07-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere...

Please download the file and save it to disk.  nc is striping the
invalid meta tag.

No, it is not. nc is netcat, a programme even more simple than telnet.
Netcat just connects the tty and the socket.

Maybe check again that your Display Character Set is Japanese (EUC-JP)
or Japanese (Shift_JIS) and that your terminal is set to accept the
encoding you have chosen for your display.

No, my display character set is, obviously, utf-8.

General comment:  Those pages are like dinosaurs of the past.  I haven't

Yes, I already thought that might be the issue - but then, lynx is
The Browser, so it ought to display them, no?

You ought to see my list, 700+.

:)

It's enough for my purposes, and along with a sendmail which checks
if the sender domain exists, and accepts IPv6 too (many people block
dynamic IPv4 yet don't have IPv6, which sucks), that gets me fairly
few annoyed people.

bye,
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gmx.net, hotmail.com, info, jumpy.it, libero.it, name, netscape.net,
postino.it, simplesnet.pt, spymac.com, tatanova.com, tiscali.co.uk,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Japanese (JIS, EUC, Shift-JIS), uxterm

2004-07-14 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere...

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

 Maybe check again that your Display Character Set is Japanese (EUC-JP)
 or Japanese (Shift_JIS) and that your terminal is set to accept the
 encoding you have chosen for your display.

 No, my display character set is, obviously, utf-8.

Unfortunately, Lynx has no translation table/mechanism from EUC-JP
(,Shift_JIS nor ISO-2022-JP) to UTF-8, so you can't read the page
properly with your setting easily.

# I wrote in details on 2004.2.19.
#   http://www.flora.org/lynx-dev/html/month022004/msg00360.html

Ah, that's a thing I did not exactly know.

It looks like lynx does have translation tables for a shitload of
other legacy and ISO character sets though, is there any chance
to add such a translation mechanism?

One easy way, please try to use kterm and set D.C.S to Japanese
(EUC-JP) or Japanese (Shift_JIS).

If I remember correctly I have already experienced with that - but
kterm has its own problems (sometimes I have to set it to EUC to
view a sjis page).

Thanks!

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postino.it, simplesnet.pt, spymac.com, tatanova.com, tiscali.co.uk,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?

2004-08-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere...

Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web
sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ?

Yes.

I'm using lynx even with pictured pages, and links+ for all
cases where it's really needed. There are only two pages
which don't work with these browsers, that's orkut and the
online banking system of one of my two banks.

Most modern people use the web for viewing pages of
multi-media content; however, a few still know that HTML
is no design language, and don't need to parse flash and
whatnot. We use the web primarily for looking at news
(such as slashdot.org or symlink.lu) or for content (text,
that is). Lynx is perfectly good, and reading the XHTML 2
draft I think there are in fact two webs, barely compa-
tible to each other. Luckily, most pages interesting to us
are still in the original www.

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gmx.net, hotmail.com, info, jumpy.it, libero.it, name, netscape.net,
postino.it, simplesnet.pt, spymac.com, tatanova.com, tiscali.co.uk,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

* update URL for HTML Quick Reference Guide in lynx_help_main.html (report
  by Jim Jackson).

If you don't mind: the best HTML reference I've ever seen, in
German language but being translated (so there's hope for the
English-language world, too, since there is no decent equiva-
lent for that):

--- lynx_help_main.html.origMon Oct 11 15:54:06 2004
+++ lynx_help_main.html Mon Oct 11 15:56:59 2004
@@ -60,6 +60,13 @@
 lia href=http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/;HTML 4.0 Reference/a
 lia href=http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimer.html;NCSA 
Beginner's Guide To HTML/a
 lia href=http://www.ku.edu/acs/documentation/docs/html_quick.shtml;HTML Quick 
Reference Guide/a
+liThe generally known as the world's best HTML reference, originally in a
+ href=http://de.selfhtml.org/;German language (auf deutsch)/a, SelfHTML.
+ There are translation projects for a href=http://fr.selfhtml.org/;French
+ (franccedilla;ais)/a, a href=http://es.selfhtml.org/;Spanish
+ (espantilde;ol)/a, a href=http://jp.selfhtml.org/;Japanese/a and a
+ href=http://en.selfhtml.org/;English/a, which are yet in the process of
+ being translated./li
 /ul
 
 h2HTML validation services:/h2


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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx fails on http://politiken.dk

2004-10-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Morten Bo Johansen dixit:

The URL above redirects to http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1
but the server replies 404. Typing in the redirect URL directly produces
the same result.

   Internet Information Services

Sure it's lynx? :-)


/me tcpdumps

Judge yourself:

= Lynx
GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.0
Host: politiken.dk
Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
Accept-Language: en
Accept-Charset: utf-8, iso-8859-1;q=0.01, us-ascii;q=0.01
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (UNIX; U; OpenBSD; C; compatible) Lynx/2.8.6dev.5-MirOS 
libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Revision/MirOS:BSD 
(https://MirBSD.BSDadvocacy.org:8890/) fake (MSIE 5.5)
Cookie2: $Version=1
Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDSQRBRARD=NEGNMMOAIEBAMINAINIBIFGJ
= (404)

= Links+
GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.1
Host: politiken.dk
User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20)
Accept: */*
Accept-Charset: us-ascii, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-3, ISO-8859-4, ISO-8859-5, 
ISO-8859-6, ISO-8859-7, ISO-8859-8, ISO-8859-9, ISO-8859-10, ISO-8859-13, ISO-8859-14, 
ISO-8859-15, ISO-8859-16, windows-1250, windows-1251, windows-1252, windows-1256, 
windows-1257, cp437, cp737, cp850, cp852, cp866, x-cp866-u, x-mac, x-mac-ce, x-kam-cs, 
koi8-r,koi8-u, koi8-ru, TCVN-5712, VISCII, utf-8
Connection: Keep-Alive
Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDSQRBRARD=AIGNMMOAHNDPFBBOLMHAAOCG
= (works)

= Netcat
GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.0
Host: politiken.dk
Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
Accept-Language: en
Accept-Charset: utf-8, iso-8859-1;q=0.01, us-ascii;q=0.01
User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20)
Cookie2: $Version=1
Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDSQRBRARD=NEGNMMOAIEBAMINAINIBIFGJ
= (works)


They are actively blocking anyone with libwww-FM/2.14 in their user agent
string (I tested for that). (Actually, libwww is enough.)

That's not a bug in lynx, and you can change the user agent in the
(O)ptions page.
On the other hand, I would consider contacting them and asking if
they are still all in their right mind...

bye,
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[Lynx-dev] Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details

2004-10-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Oh, and fix your mailer to accept incoming mails.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:21:36 GMT
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:21:22 GMT
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [IPv6:::1]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(reason: 554 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Relay access denied)

   - Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to mbjnet.dk.:
 DATA
 554 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Relay access denied
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

Looks good on:

powerpc-apple-darwin7.5.0

sparc-sun-solaris2.8

 i386-ecce-mirbsd8


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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Atsuhito Kohda dixit:

When lynx displaied a page, the first letter of a highlighted
link name was duplicated like LLynx Users Guide (The Lynx
Help Page, for example).

FYI, doesn't appear on i386-ecce-mirbsd8.

You might want to provide more information - which terminal
or terminal emulation, the environment, etc.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] application/x-iso-8859-1 D)ownload, or C)ancel

2004-10-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

(e)links(2) is said to ignore content-type (I haven't looked recently).

links+ doesn't work with anidb.ath.cx (Anime database) which
enforces deflate compression on content.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] application/x-iso-8859-1 D)ownload, or C)ancel

2004-10-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

  (e)links(2) is said to ignore content-type (I haven't looked recently).
 
  links+ doesn't work with anidb.ath.cx (Anime database) which
  enforces deflate compression on content.

I visited this page, but didn't see how to find content (not enough is
in English for me to understand it...)

   REFRESH(1 sec): [1]http://anidb.ath.cx/perl-bin/animedb.pl

the next page already screws up links+:

 ::ANIDB.net:: News :: 
by AnimeReactor (p1 of 10)
   [1][anidb01.jpg] [anidb07.jpg]

   [anidb02.jpg] [anidb08.jpg] News [anidb04.jpg]
  [2] [na.gif]
   [3][button_search.gif]-Submit



   [4]main
   [5]mylist
   [6]myplace

   [7]animelist
   [8]grouplist
   [9]userlist
   [10]genres
   [11]Adv. Search

[...]
   recent downtime
   
25.08.04 13:47 by [23]exp
   wee very sorry for the unplanned downtime.
   due to a software problem the server needed to be rebooted and no one was around to 
do it x_X

   wee planning to prevent such problems in the future and will add some additional 
safety mechanisms
   soon.

   if youe interested in the latest anidb changes take a look at:
   [24]http://www.anidb.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11373#11373

   BYe!
   EXP
[...]


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[resend] Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: application/x-iso-8859-1 D)ownload, or C)ancel

2004-10-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
(oops, forgot to change my From: to the subscribed address
 again, damn, hate this setting ;)

Thomas Dickey dixit:

So - should we try to get savannah to host this, or gmane?

gmane likes to co-exist, e.g. the OpenBSD mailing lists
are, among others, hosted there too.

Since the nntp and the web frontend are very powerful, I'm
suggesting at least gmane, maybe savannah _too_ (I personally
don't like the web stuff of savannah too much, but think to
gate them to two archives isn't more work at all).

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: application/x-iso-8859-1 D)ownload, or C)ancel

2004-10-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

So - should we try to get savannah to host this, or gmane?

gmane likes to co-exist, e.g. the OpenBSD mailing lists
are, among others, hosted there too.

Since the nntp and the web frontend are very powerful, I'm
suggesting at least gmane, maybe savannah _too_ (I personally
don't like the web stuff of savannah too much, but think to
gate them to two archives isn't more work at all).

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Re: [Lynx-dev] progress/status

2004-10-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

Does this screenshot mean that dev.6 will be able to show euc-jp 
(or Shift_JIS) page correctly on UTF-8 terminal?

I hope for that, too.

There's just a problem:

strlen(s) != number_of_characters_in(s) != width_of(s)

And for the latter two, there is NO function in the
C library, and there are certain operating systems
which are NOT locale aware but pass the 8bit characters
as is (meaning, uxterm works fine, but there is no
such thing as a wide char or something).

If yes, Great!  Thanks for your effort!

I'm waiting for that, too. Other than that, I admire
your work ;-)
(we're using libcdk now in MirOS, too.)

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] progress/status

2004-10-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

 Does this screenshot mean that dev.6 will be able to show euc-jp
 (or Shift_JIS) page correctly on UTF-8 terminal?

 I hope for that, too.

 There's just a problem:

 strlen(s) != number_of_characters_in(s) != width_of(s)

yes - but lynx has its own functions which try to do this.  For 8-bit
curses, it does several workarounds (but those cannot completely work,
since they attempt to fool the curses library into doing something it
cannot do completely - repainting is always a problem).

In the changes I've made, I'm using the curses library to decide how
many cells on the screen the string will actually use.  lynx has to
construct the string (and as noted, will have to use libiconv to handle
  

shift-JIS, etc).  Since all of the strings passed to the curses library

Ugh.

We'd have to add GNU libiconv to our base system. With all the
character sets already around in lynx, isn't there a way other
than using GNU libiconv to do that?

If not, we'll have to consider libiconv, but if there's an easier
way to do it...

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

  - most japanese pages work in kterm (note that my lynx is
still English, and neither locale nor gettext/nls support
exists in the operating environment)

most = these in EUC-JP

  - some work if I set both lynx and kterm to display character
set Shift-JIS (lynx seems to not convert between them)

some work?  Do you mean some work and some doesn't work?

some = these in SJIS ;-) sorry for being unclear

  - utf-8 pages don't work in kterm (no conversion)

Please try --enable-japanese-utf8 configure option which is introduced
from 2.8.6dev.4.

Oh, how nice?

*looks*

if test $use_ja_utf8 != no ; then
AC_DEFINE(EXP_JAPANESEUTF8_SUPPORT)
AC_CHECK_LIB(iconv,libiconv_open)
fi

Not nice. This library is not in the base installation,
but lynx is. I cannot introduce a dependency on a port
into the base system.

Last time I checked, GNU libiconv was under LGPL. If
someone knows of a free iconv library that works with
lynx, please let me know.

Thanks,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/378632

2004-10-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Frédéric L. W. Meunier dixit:

 Latest dev is affected by
 http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/mangleme/gallery/lynx_die1.html

 2063 tg640   81M   82M run   -1:19 93.51% lynx

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Re: [Lynx-dev] http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/378632

2004-10-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

It's useful to know that there's still a working gopher site - I couldn't

gopher.semmel.ch works, too.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

   - some work if I set both lynx and kterm to display character
 set Shift-JIS (lynx seems to not convert between them)
 
 some work?  Do you mean some work and some doesn't work?
 
 some = these in SJIS ;-) sorry for being unclear

Really?  I think there is no problem in viewing SJIS pages with
Shift_JIS setting.

Yes, that's what I said.

For EUC pages, it works, for SJIS pages, I have to switch kterm.

(Nice would be to view both in uxterm, because kterm doesn't look
 so good, and has got a bunch of security holes.)

I believe that glibc's iconv and GNU libiconv does work.

Yes, but these are not free enough. Frederick(IIRC) has pointed
out another implementation, and I'll look at that later.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.6

2004-10-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Atsuhito KOHDA dixit:

You might have mentioned this already somewhere but 
what is your OS ?

MirOS: http://mirbsd.de/

I happen to be the person who started that...

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx fails on http://politiken.dk

2004-10-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Walter Ian Kaye dixit:

 [snip]
   User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (UNIX; U; OpenBSD; C; compatible)
 Lynx/2.8.6dev.5-MirOS libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7d
 Revision/MirOS:BSD (https://MirBSD.BSDadvocacy.org:8890/) fake (MSIE 5.5)

Stock Lynx has Lynx/2.8.6dev.5 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7d,
so not much of a difference.

   User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20)

No change to the default here.

   User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20)

That was cut'n'paste in an xterm, since nc doesn't send
anything on its own ;)

 (2) where did the libwww in his UA-string come *from*?

Stock Lynx.

 Probably, but it doesn't matter. :)

Nope. LYMain.c (IIRC), well, I can tell for sure, anywhere in
the source. I run a slightly modified lynx. ;)

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Simple Version Inquiry

2004-11-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

the string that lynx uses to identify itself.  The user-agent string is
generated in the options menu when it's empty.  I'd only look for the
beginning of the string, e.g., Lynx/2.8.6dev.6.  The second part doesn't

cvsweb.cgi uses a match of '^Lynx/' to detect lynx
versions, however the Netscape User Agent recommendation
states that browser strings start with Mozilla/... and
that browser-specifics are to be set later in the string.

Also, Lynx cries if the UA doesn't contain Lynx or
L_y_n_x, so I'd recommend to check for

'(Lynx|L_y_n_x)/'

anywhere in the user agent string.

MirOS for example does prepend a Mozilla/x.y (compatible; ...)
to the standard Lynx user agent string.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] 2.8.6dev.10

2005-01-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 What about an ifdef on NCURSES_VERSION?

well (unless you're using -Werror), it's just an annoyance that should
go away.  The underlying code always treated it as const.

I am. ;)

But it's not a problem to keep that as local diff.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: weird abortions

2005-01-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 If you're interested, I can check if the same problem appears
 on a dedicated server which I'm running with my OS too (just
 a bit older version) and give you a shell account for testing.

 that might be useful, might not.  Mostly that's good for easily reproduced
 bugs that require some analysis.

Okay, I'll have a look at it.

 I'm curious to see if I can build it on Linux, so I can see if it's useful.  
 (I
 built 3.4.3 on Sunday to check on some stuff, and looked
 at the latest 4.0 snapshot, but didn't install the latter since its
 configure script didn't want to let me build only c/c++/ada - don't much like
 installing 200Mb of stuff I don't want).

Nice...

I'm currently upgrading to gcc 3.4-20041231, propolice is only
available for 3.4.1 but not too difficult to apply to the 3.4
branch.
(It'll take a few weeks though, I think, until the upgrade is
 finished.)

The lynx in question was built with 3.2.3 though.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] 2.8.6dev.10 crashes

2005-01-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 I see the problem:

Thanks, this fixes it.

You're really fast!

Remind me to get you a beer, in case we meet
at FOSDEM (Bruxelles, .be) or LinuxTag (Karlsruhe, .de)

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Re: [Lynx-dev] 2.8.6dev.10 crashes

2005-01-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Elimar Riesebieter dixit:

 Thanks Frédéric, this is _exactly_ my problem, just you made
 it reproducible!
Can't reproduce...

Then your system is susceptible to buffer overflow attacks in
any vulnerable application. You might want to get everything
built with ProPolice or StackGuard. Operating systems such as
OpenBSD or GNU/Adamantix are already sufficiently protected.

Don't act without having researched the topic, though.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???

2005-01-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

[ left and right margin ]
isn't it time to remove this rather burocratic left-over (smile) ?

No.

I had a Lynx which used full screen width by accident, I don't
know on which page but I think it was slashdot, must have been
something with their layout. It sucks.

I'd like my Lynx to stay as-is because Lynx is simply the best
browser _because_ of its way to display things. (That goes for
the non-existant support of frames and tables too (but some of
the tables I saw would be renderable by lynx) because e.g. the
way links -g does it trashes keyboard navigation.)

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Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???)

2005-01-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stef Caunter dixit:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 surely, anyone outside the poorest parts of the World today
 has access to Firefox, Konqueror  other graphical browsers,
 which display WWW pages as their authors intend them to be seen.

FUD.

* I design my web pages (e.g. http://mirbsd.mirsolutions.de/ ) to
  be optimised for Lynx and still look not too bad in Konqueror,
  and be XHTML/1.1 compliant.
* The only browser faster than Lynx is Dillo, which is just broken.
* Graphical browsers (especially Firefox(tm)) start _very_ slow and
  are _very_ ressource-hungry
* Graphical browsers imply a GUI, which is not always what I have
  (e.g. when I'm sitting on a vt420, or lending me a shell at a
  friend's laptop, ssh to home, lynx, have my bookmarks and cookies
  and all)
* Graphical browsers don't run in screen (I tend to kill my X by accident)

 Lynx still has important uses, but in limited contexts.

No, Lynx is the primary browser for many people, including myself.
I'm using it for about 98% of all websites. Links+ (in X11, with
pics) for 1.8% of all websites and as image-viewer (Manga scans,
e.g. www.narutofan.com has some), and Firefox(tm) or Konqueror,
depending on which is there, for the remaining 0.2%.

I think choice to have or not have indents is important; personally, I -dump
out pages and have to :%s/^   // out the spaces in vi, and anything over 79
cols wraps, (small gripe).

Funny enough, lynx -dump sometimes honours 80c and sometimes (eg.
when run in an xterm or from midnight commander, don't remember)
doesn't ;)

But post-processing in jupp (joe-editor.sf.net) is easy too.

But I won't see lynx marginalized here. For many people it is our primary
browser for HTTP; no one's personal usage has a priori primacy in a universal
context. The lynx browser is as useful as you choose to make it.

And it's the only browser I know which supports
* textfields-need-activation
* navigation by numbering links and form fields
* partial displaying with a threshold of 1
* a source view starting where in the rendered form
  of the page you're in right now
* tables rendered in a way not trashing keyboard navigation
  when not using numbered
* spawning $EDITOR on a form field (COOL!)

I miss a few things, but I can live with it.
And not one of these features I miss does a
graphical browser give me.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] it doesn't render tables.... :-(

2005-01-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ring, Jerry dixit:

I tried for example viewing drudgereport.com and Slashdot.org and it
looks horrible.

Slashdot looks _better_ without the tables.

Besides, go to your user preferences and turn on Light HTML.
Then it looks even better (also in GUI browsers).

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[Lynx-dev] Re: Lynx as primary browser

2005-02-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Walter Ian Kaye dixit:

 At 09:53p + 01/30/2005, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic
 papyrus:

Uah, I like it but it's just too long.
I suggest to skip the date. Besides, AM/PM is as dead
as imperial units.

 Screw xhtml. g  I'm sticking with HTML, just like I stick with Lynx. :-)

Yes, but XHTML helps Lynx to display stuff too because
it's well-formed XML = all tags are closed = no guess game.

 On the wonderfully graphic Mac OS X, I set up Lynx as my default browser. :D

Nice.

 And it's the only browser I know which supports
 * textfields-need-activation

 Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Je ne parle pa français. I assume you want to RTFM?

 * partial displaying with a threshold of 1

 ?

Each TCP segment which comes in, delivering a handful
of HTML source to lynx, causes it to display another
partial line of the page you're viewing, or so.
Nice if you switch it on, if you ask me ;)

 * a source view starting where in the rendered form
   of the page you're in right now

 Eh? Is that a special setting? My Lynx always goes to the top of the page.

Yesterday I noticed that it doesn't work correctly
in an 113x42 xterm, only in the 80x24 console. In
the larger xterm, it's offset (but flips back correctly
if I go to the (incorrect) position it set me when
switching to source).

 OmniWeb has something similar -- click a tiny box in a corner of the text 
 field
 and up pops an editor window.

Never heard of that one ;)

 And not one of these features I miss does a
 graphical browser give me.

 P...r...0...n. LOL

Nah:
- Lynx spawns xloadimage when needed
- d save mplayer enter
- ASCII pr0n ;)

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suggested d/l filename bugs (was Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: Bug#291716: lynx-cur: truncates suggested filename when Content-Disposition filename contains spaces)

2005-02-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Atsuhito KOHDA dixit:

 the suggested filename is truncated at the space, i.e. the suggested
 filename for the above would be foo.

Another one:


Download Options
   Download Options (Lynx Version 2.8.6dev.10-MirOS)

Downloaded link: http://a.scarywater.net/akeep/%5BAnime-Keep%5D_Mahoujin_Guru_Gu
ru_-_01%5BFC2D097C%5D.avi.torrent
Suggested file name: .avi.torrent

Download options:
   [1]Save to disk


Enter a filename:.avi.torrent



Go to http://a.scarywater.net/akeep/ and try to download a
torrent, for example link #125. (The anime's good, btw.)

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[Lynx-dev] Re: Lynx as primary browser

2005-02-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

Note that valid XHTML 1.1 will never work with IE because it is illegal
to serve it with a text/html media type.

That's not part of the XHTML 1.1 spec, but some other _recommendation_
from the W3C. Besides, their validator lets my pages through just fine.

And, I don't know of any legacy browser which chokes on br /.
(But then, besides Lynx ;), Links, Links+, w3m, Arachne, Internet
Explorer, Netscape 2+, I don't know much ;)

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Re: Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize

2005-02-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

XHTML is a clean start and certainly isn't intended to be backwards
compatible.

It is. XHTML/1.0 and HTML/4.02(iirc) are the same spec,
just one with XML constraints added.

The proposed XHTML/2 is a joke, but XHTML/1.1 is HTML/5.

XHTML 1.1 isn't backwards compatible, because there
are no compatibility hacks

Enough to please most browsers.

and text/html can't be used as the
media type.

It can, see my other eMail.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx

2005-03-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Frédéric L. W. Meunier dixit:

 Sorry, but I have no idea why. I'm redirecting it to lynx-dev.

 And try the other binary, lynx.exe.

http://mira.66h.42h.de/pub/lynx-windows.lzh is still there.

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Wir haben uns[...] geeinigt, dass das verwendete Echtzeit-Betriebssystem[...]
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Re: [Lynx-dev] how to associate file types with applications?

2005-03-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Marrs dixit:

 I hope you don't mind my posting a non-developer question, but this is the 
 only
 mailing list I could find for lynx and online help resources I've scoured the
 net for don't address my question. I'm using the 2.8.4rel.1-mirabilos build
 of lynx on Windows XP SP2.

Thanks, cool someone's using it ;)

 PS. In case you were wondering why I'd want to be opening picutre files in
 Lynx, it is fast becoming my default browser for navigating the net.

Nah I'm doing the same, just on Unix.

Well, for Unix it's
#XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:xloadimage %s 
in /etc/lynx.cfg

So I suppose it's similar for Windows.

You might try

XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:c:\winnt\system32\cmd /c %s

I can't check though, no windows ATM :)

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Re: [Lynx-dev] installing ssl certs?

2005-03-14 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Walter Ian Kaye dixit:

 I'm sure this is a FAQ, and I'm sure I've seen the instructions somewhere, but
 I don't remember where, so here goes:

 How/where do I install SSL certificates (client side)?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/tg $ ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/
total 408
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[Lynx-dev] next development snapshot?

2005-03-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi Tom,

what are your plans for bringing out the next dev. version?

I'd like to throw out a new development snapshot of MirOS
and consider waiting for the next version of lynx, due to
some problems I'm having with the current one (which I
think you fixed, something to do with over-long lines),
especially with you having said you planned to do them
some time ago.

Another, more unrelated, one:
$XFree86: xc/programs/xterm/wcwidth.c,v 1.6 2003/10/13 00:58:23 dickey Exp $
Do you expect that file to change or can I use it as a reference
how wide the chars in unicode are? (Minor changes or chars added
newly to Unicode don't count.)

Thanks,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] next development snapshot?

2005-03-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 I'd like to do 2-3 more patches before 2.8.6.  I'm halfway through one
 patch, but more urgent things pushed lynx down the stack (ncurses, xterm
 vile and cdk have gotten attention, lynx, dialog and bcpp haven't).

cdk? Hmm, interesting (that one shows up in MirOS too ;)

I'm busy with all things at once too (base, security fixes,
XFree86, c++, ports...) so I know how you must feel...

   ftp://dickey.his.com/temp/lynx2.8.6dev.11h.patch.gz

Okay, I'll have a look and take that as base, thanks!

 But you're not asking about a development snapshot, but a release,

No, I'm going with development snapshots.

Of all projects, OpenBSD and Lynx are the only ones with development
snapshots more stable than releases of _all_ other software I've
ever seen. XFree86 is good too, though, and I'm currently playing
with binutils-mainline.

 I don't expect it to change - Markus Kuhn implemented it, and building
 up tables like that isn't something I like to do.   His latest version
 is dated 2003-05-20, and barring bug-fixes, I probably won't change it.

kay, thanks.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Changes in lynx display

2005-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 In dev.11, on the options page, long lines are wrapped. In dev.5 they
 were truncated. In dev.11, when one of the long wrapped fields is
 changed via the drop-down box, the wrapped part on the next line is not
 updated. For an example, see the line for links and form fields are
 numbered.

 Perhaps that's specific to PDCurses.

I can reproduce in an 80x25 xterm. Do you want a screenshot series?

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Changes in lynx display

2005-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 I can reproduce in an 80x25 xterm. Do you want a screenshot series?

 That might help me see if I'm looking at the wrong thing (thanks).

Okay, here you are.

Description:

1: entering the options screen

2: opening up

3: after choosing #4

4: accept changes, then enter option screen again

5: choose #3 like I always do

shots.tbz
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Screen positioning

2005-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
More bugs regarding screen positioning:

When I go to a normal page, scroll some pages down,
follow a link, then go back, I'm exactly where I have
been previously.

When I go to an anchored link on a page, such as
 http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html#20050327_1403
then follow a link (e.g.
   Portability  is  more than supporting legacy architectures, as [17]can 
be known. It's about making
) then read that and go back, I'm at the top of the
anchor, unexpectedly.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Changes in lynx display

2005-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Some related problem popping up somewhere in the 2.8.6dev.* series
(don't exactly know since when).

http://bsdnews.com/view_story.php3?story_id=4939

Screenshot attached (bzip2 without tar this time).

//mirabile

error.xwd.bz2
Description: Binary data
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Changes in lynx display

2005-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

thanks - using DK's configure options, I can see this now.  Offhand I'd

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/tg $ fgrep -- -- 
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/Makefile.bsd-wrapper 
CFARGS= --libdir=/etc --prefix=/usr --with-ssl=/usr --with-zlib \
--enable-addrlist-page --enable-charset-choice \
--enable-color-style --enable-default-colors \
--disable-full-paths --enable-warnings --enable-justify-elts \
--enable-internal-links --enable-kbd-layout --enable-ipv6 \
--enable-nested-tables --disable-nls --enable-nsl-fork \
--with-screen=ncurses --disable-scrollbar --enable-cjk \
--enable-underlines --enable-vertrace --without-bzlib

for reference. (--prefix et al. are automatically added by bsd.cfwrap.mk
on MirOS, it's my invention to wrap GNU configure stuff ;)

bye and thanks for the good work,
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[Lynx-dev] More problems with end of line

2005-04-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi,

go to http://mira.66h.42h.de/bookmark.htm,
switch ('\') to source view, do a search ('/')
for the word nerode (without the quote marks).

It looks like this in screen-within-PuTTY:

+++ Meine Homepage (alter Stil) - Thorsten mirabile Glaser (p54 of 58)
lia href=http://www.streckenkun.de/;Streckenkunde/a ndash; uuml;ber die

+ EBO und Stadtbahnbetrieb (als Kouml;lner oder Bonner Straszlig;en-/U-Bahn) d
  nerode nerode
+ocumentation License/a ndash; don't use!/li
lia href=http://www.crazyboy.com/hydan/;Hydan: Information Hiding in Progra

+m Binaries/a/li
[... rest snipped ...]

Now I press the DELETE key:

+++ Meine Homepage (alter Stil) - Thorsten mirabile Glaser (p54 of 58)
+er 7, 16, 18 und 68/li
lia href=http://home.twcny.rr.com/nerode/neroden/fdl.html;GNU Most Unfree D
+ocumentation License/a ndash; don't use!/li
lia href=http://www.crazyboy.com/hydan/;Hydan: Information Hiding in Progra

+m Binaries/a/li
lia href=http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html;Open Sour

+ces: Voices from the Open Source Revolution/a (das Buch, online lesen)/li
[...]

So, the bug with a totally blank (AND uncounted) line after an overlong
line has only partially been fixed. This is dev.11i/MirOS, I haven't seen
it recently for formatted HTML view (but that does not necessarily imply
that it vanished altogether).

This is a MAJOR usability regression against IIRC 2.8.5, where
I don't remember ever seeing it.

If I can do anything further to help hunt down the problem,
please tell me.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] README.options

2005-04-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Bela Lubkin dixit:

different reasonable assumption would be that Save options to disk
only writes out changes made during the _current_ [O]ptions session.

No.

It says Save options to disk not Save changes in configuration
parametres to disc.

//mirabile
-- 
 Hi, does anyone sell openbsd stickers by themselves and not packaged
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No, the only way I've seen them sold is for $40 with a free OpenBSD CD.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx display buffer questions

2005-05-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Henry Nelson dixit:

Just curious, but how does this work for you unix purists?  How do
XWindows terminal emulators get around the fixed-width font problem
we Windoze people suffer when using PuTTY or TeraTerm?

uxterm uses two fonts, one double-width e.g. for kana/kanji,
and a table which character is how wide. It works quite well.

I've tried using uxterm on MS Services for Unix/Interix on Windows,
with Starnet X-Win32 LX, but didn't get it to work with Japanese.
Sorry.

bye,
//mirabile
-- 
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Anyone thinking about adding Lynx support of unicode?

2005-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 On Fri, 6 May 2005, Larry W. Virden wrote:

 I am just curious whether anyone is working on upgrading lynx
 so that it is unicode safe - that is to say, that unicode
 could be entered in entry boxes and text boxes, displayed otherwise,
 etc.

 between other distractions, that's what I was working on.

It isn't broken here (in uxterm), except the display (due to
lack of wchar_t, wcslen and wcswidth).

bye,
//mirabile
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[Lynx-dev] JIS to Unicode

2005-05-18 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi!

From http://pacsec.jp/resources.html

Miscelaneous tools
Shift-JIS (MS CP932 - JIS X201/X208 - ISO 2022 JP) / CP936 / RFC2279
UTF-8 to Unicode (ISO 10646 UTF-16) HTML #; document encoding
web page converter filter program in portable C. It will also detect
overlong/silly/broken UTF-8 codes.

http://dragos.com/jistounicode.c

Maybe this can be integrated into lynx somehow, in order to
be more flexible?

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 bedienbaren textmode-mailclient halte (und ich hab sie alle ausprobiert). ;)
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[Lynx-dev] reproducible crash

2005-06-09 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi all,

I get a reproducible crash on dev.11i with the attached file,
retrieved from http://www.whatthehack.org/news/index_html and
renamed to index.html (also, when lynx'ing the URI directly
instead):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/tg $ lynx index.html

# Getting a 
permit... -- What The Hack (p1 of 2)
   #[1]Search this site [2]Up one level
   
 * [3]home
 * [4]  login
 * [5] register

[6]What The Hack

Navigation

   [7]Home  [8]News!  [9]WhenWhere [10]Presentations [11]Facilities 
[12]Participate [13]Forum [14]Wiki
   [15]Tickets [16]FAQ [17]Thanks to ... [18]Contact [19]Program

Log in

   Name
   [20]__
   Password
   [21]__
   [22]Log in
   [23]Forgot your password?
   [24]New user?

   You are here: [25]Home » News!

Getting a permit...

Document Actions   

 * [26]Send this page to somebody
 * [27]Print this page

Misunderstanding cleared up: we are not dangerous...

 * [28]Original press release (May 23rd) (english)
 * [29]Het oorspronkelijke persbericht (23 mei) (nederlands)
 * [30]Ursprüngliche Pressemitteilung (23. Mai) (deutsch)

 * [31]Communication log

A Fatal error has occurred in Lynx Ver. 2.8.6dev.11i-MirOS

Please notify your system administrator to confirm a bug, and
if confirmed, to notify the lynx-dev list.  Bug reports should
have concise descriptions of the command and/or URL which causes
the problem, the operating system name with version number, the
TCPIP implementation, and any other relevant information.

Do NOT mail the core file if one was generated.

Lynx now exiting with signal:  11

Abort trap
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/tg $ 


Can anyone reproduce this on dev.13 (didn't yet have time
to upgrade)?

TIA,
//mirabile
-- 
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny
existence.  -- Coywolf Qi Hunt!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;


html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en
  lang=en
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type
  content=text/html;charset=utf-8 /

title
Getting a permit... 
mdash;
What The Hack
/title



base href=http://www.whatthehack.org/news/index_html; /



meta name=generator content=Plone - http://plone.org; /

meta content=rop name=DC.creator /
meta content=2005-05-21 11:53:59
  name=DC.date.created /
meta content=2005-06-08 22:54:16
  name=DC.date.modified /
meta content=Document name=DC.type /
meta content=text/html name=DC.format /
meta content=en name=DC.language /

!-- Basic crude style for Netscape4.x - This can be removed
 if you don't want the special NS4 look - it will still work,
 just be plain text instead. Column layout for Netscape4.x included --
link rel=Stylesheet type=text/css
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/ploneNS4.css; /

!-- Column style sheet. --
style type=text/css media=screen!-- @import 
url(http://www.whatthehack.org/ploneColumns.css); --/style

!-- Main style sheets for CSS2 capable browsers --
style type=text/css media=screen!-- @import 
url(http://www.whatthehack.org/plone.css); --/style

!-- Old style sheet from Plone 1.0, remove tal:condition=nothing if you 
need to use the old styles.
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!-- Alternate style sheets for the bigger/smaller text switcher --
link rel=alternate stylesheet type=text/css
  media=screen
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/ploneTextSmall.css;
  title=Small Text /
link rel=alternate stylesheet type=text/css
  media=screen
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/ploneTextLarge.css;
  title=Large Text /

!-- Style sheet used for printing --
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=print
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/plonePrint.css; /

!-- Style sheet used for presentations (Opera is the only browser 
supporting this at the moment) --
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css
  media=projection
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/plonePresentation.css; /

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url(http://www.whatthehack.org/ploneCustom.css); --/style

link rel=shortcut icon
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/favicon.ico;
  type=image/x-icon /

link rel=search
  href=http://www.whatthehack.org/search_form;
  title=Search this site /



link rel=up 

[Lynx-dev] the 'z' key

2005-06-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
I wonder...

why cannot lynx simply stop with EVERYTHING if I hit 'z' repeatedly?

I mean, DNS lookups may have their reasons, but if I am entering a
website with various
- redirections
- bad html, use -trace to diagnose
- invalid cookie path (automatic yes, in my config)
and have activated that link by accident (yes, that happens), why
cannot lynx stop if I hit 'zz'? It only starts stopping after the
final page is being loaded, and still gets sometimes 3K, sometimes
even 30K of the target page. This can take up to 15 seconds, with
DNS lookups that fail even more.

//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] the 'z' key

2005-06-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stef Caunter dixit:

well you aren't going to stop lynx from waiting for the system resolver with
^G

Yup, and that's probably got a good reason. I do the ^C trick
sometimes too (yeah, pine...).

 Doesn't meet CTRLG your needs?

Didn't know it yet *blushes* thanks you two.

//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] ip-code

2005-07-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Riku Virtanen dixit:

Computer: P2, 333 mhz, MS-DOS window under Win98SE.
So the MS-DOS-version of Lynx.
Version is 2.8.4rel.1-mirabilos.

No, this is a native Win32 binary.

//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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[Lynx-dev] (O)ptions screen glitch

2005-07-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
(yes, wide terminal - 113x42)

  General Preferences   
 
  User mode: [5][(3)__Advanced] 
 
  Editor   : 
[6]jupp_

 
  Type of Search   : [7][(1)__Case insensitive] 
 

...

  Display and Character Set 
 
  Use locale-based character set(!): [16][(1)__OFF] 
 
  Display character set: [17][(1)__Western (ISO-8859-1)___] 
 
  Assumed document character set(!): [18][(41)_utf-8___]
 
  Raw 8-bit (!): [19][(1)__OFF] 
 
  X Display (!): 
[20]:0.0
_   
 

 
  Document Appearance   
 
  Show color   : [21][(1)__NEVER_]  
 
  Show cursor  : [22][(1)__OFF] 
 
  Underline links (!)  : [23][(2)__ON_] 
 
  Popups for select fields : [24][(2)__ON_] 
 
  HTML error recovery (!)  : [25][(2)__strict (SortaSGML mode)] 
 



Also, when setting Show colour to NEVER like in the above,
in a $TERM=screen within a $TERM=xterm-xfree86, then popping
up the menu, the active entry is not shown in the inverse colour
(0,7 aka black on lightgray).

//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] (O)ptions screen glitch

2005-07-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 Also, when setting Show colour to NEVER like in the above,
 in a $TERM=screen within a $TERM=xterm-xfree86, then popping
 up the menu, the active entry is not shown in the inverse colour
 (0,7 aka black on lightgray).

I'm not sure that I follow this description: which menu?

When I go to the Options screen, go to 21 (Show colour), then
press cursor-right, everything is black on lightgray, except
for the active value (3) ON. Then I set it to off, accept the
changes and go back to the options screen. When I press the
cursor-right key again, the only sign that (2) OFF is active
is an inverse bar on the right of it (could be the cursor).
It's all lightgray on black.

bye,
//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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[Lynx-dev] Still some display problems (dev.13)

2005-08-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.1/changes.html

Terminal: XFree86(R) 4.5.0 xterm at 113x42; GNU screen with permanent
status bar inside (leaving 113x41 for lynx).

[...]
  if (d)
 
{   
 
  foo (b, c); 
 
  a = b + c;
 
}   
 
  printf (%d\n, a);   
 
}   
 
   The  a  =  b  +  c  can  be  sunk  to right before the printf. 
Normal code sinking will not do thi
   it  will  sink  the  first one above into the else-branch of the 
conditional jump, which still gives  
   you two copies of the code.  
 
[...]

I see this quite often, some things are just outside the screen;
for example, if I had not had links and form fields are numbered
I'd not seen the login button of a page once...

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Still some display problems (dev.13)

2005-10-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

Though a quick check adding a br or p after the /pre doesn't help.
Removing the blanks does.  This isn't a new problem.  Comparing with IE,
I see that it puts out the blanks, but puts a carriage return after them.
Opera is doing the same thing.

I don't necessarily think forcing a line feed and carriage return after a
/pre is a good thing to do, but as long as it fixes this issue...

Thanks!

bye,
//mirabile
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[Lynx-dev] Re: iDEFENSE Security Advisory [IDEF1089] Multiple Vendor Lynx Command Injection Vulnerability

2005-11-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Greg MacManus dixit:

FYI

Other vendors are suspected as also being vulnerable. The following
vendors include Lynx packages that are not susceptible to exploitation
as the lynxcgi feature is not compiled into Lynx by default:

* The FreeBSD Project
* OpenBSD 

The MirOS Project (another BSD) also does not compile in lynxcgi
support, according to the PoC exploit.

bye,
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 bedienbaren textmode-mailclient halte (und ich hab sie alle ausprobiert). ;)
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Problem with mobil.t-online.de

2005-11-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Philip Webb dixit:

My advice is to install the most recent version.

Doesn't work on 2.8.6dev.14, MirOS.
Same guess: wrong format.

//mirabile
-- 
ciruZ Vutral: ohne [...] kram sinds 46 Zeilen. Wozu also ein Tutorial?
benz ciruz: weil die zeilen alle ausssehen wie m/@!,.*[0-9]*$/; $_=$`
benz executable line noise-- Benny zu Perl im MirOS IRC Channel
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compression (was Re: [Lynx-dev] Problem with mobil.t-online.de)

2005-11-09 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

compress is supposed to be handled by an external program, while
the others all have built-in support.  I didn't have compress
installed on my home machine, but see that there is a ncompress
package

Ow ;)

Want me to hack it up for lynx? I'll use
http://mirbsd.mirsolutions.de/cvs.cgi/src/usr.bin/compress/zopen.c?rev=HEAD
as a basis (I did that for XFree86 as well, while x.org removed
support for compressed fonts from their Xlib), which is GPL compatible.

bye,
//mirabile
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benz ciruz: weil die zeilen alle ausssehen wie m/@!,.*[0-9]*$/; $_=$`
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Make error with lynx-2.8.5

2005-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Gaurav Dhiman dixit:

cd chrtrans  make tables
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/gaurav/Desktop/lynx2-8-5/src/chrtrans'
./makeuctb ./cp1250_uni.tbl cp1250_uni.h
./makeuctb: ./makeuctb: cannot execute binary file

This is not enough information. You did not show the cc line
with -o makeuctb.

From what I can figure out it seems, that it has built makeuctb for ARM

Try using $(HOSTCC) or $(HOST_CC) in the Makefile.
Since makeuctb is never installed, this might actually
be a sensible choice upstream (hi Tom).

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSH then running lynx does not work

2005-12-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Webmaster Jim dixit:

That looks like the Win32 version I compiled (and still distribute). It
has no ssh library support, so if you need that the cygwin distribution
is better.

http://mira.66h.42h.de/pub/lynx-windows.lzh is fairly old,
but does have SSL support.

bye,
//mirabile
-- 
Subject: crazy fix for zlib
we get the good interface we want, apache gets the broken api they want.
i guess it is kinda twisted though.
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[Lynx-dev] pretty or not pretty...

2006-01-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi people,

while discussing a bug in the prettysrc printing with Rado in IRC
(he'll drop a mail later I suppose) I found an interesting thing.

When you have prettysrc off, the HTML source is shown as is ex-
cept for the '+' signs at the beginning of a continuation line. I
don't switch prettysrc on because the colour confuses me and tags
are shown in uppercase, but with prettysrc on, you can navigate a
link even in the source code and activate it which is something I
miss in the non-pretty source view.

Is there a way to enable ONLY the navigability of links (not only
a href type ones, but also say style sheets and jehovascript)?

TIA

bye,
//mirabile
-- 
ich habe gerade erfahren, was ich zu silvester alles gemacht habe: hab mit nem
weihnachtsmann aus plastik geredet, hab mich mit den feuerwerkskoerpern fast
selbst abgeschossen, mit einer rumgemacht, die mir garnet gefallen, wollte mit
dem tuersteher in der disco tanzen, schal, muetze und pullover verloren, bin
dann um halb 4 halbnackt von der disco zu fuß heimgegangen weil keine busse
gefahren sind (merke ich bin fast von nem auto ueberfahren worden), ca. 4km
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[Lynx-dev] Lynx still rules

2006-01-05 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi all!

It does.

Not only can you access gopher://gopher.semmel.ch/ (operated
by Ventilator of symlink.lu fame), I also just posted an ar-
ticle in a newsgroup with it:
news://news.opera.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also I use it for almost every web use (except a forum which
requires javascript, and, when lazy, phpBB which looks quite
evil without tables).

Sad: http://f.scarywater.net/miros/ looks like a real table,
when using an 113x42 xterm with a GNU screen inside, but, if
I add another char to the leftmost column, it doesn't (there
is only one space between each entry and no lining up).

If required I can make that change and capture the resulting
HTML files.


bye,
//mirabile
-- 
ich habe gerade erfahren, was ich zu silvester alles gemacht habe: hab mit nem
weihnachtsmann aus plastik geredet, hab mich mit den feuerwerkskoerpern fast
selbst abgeschossen, mit einer rumgemacht, die mir garnet gefallen, wollte mit
dem tuersteher in der disco tanzen, schal, muetze und pullover verloren, bin
dann um halb 4 halbnackt von der disco zu fuß heimgegangen weil keine busse
gefahren sind (merke ich bin fast von nem auto ueberfahren worden), ca. 4km
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx Win32

2006-01-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Jonathan Kirwan dixit:

Just to add to this last comment

Just to add to the general confusion... the binary I built some odd
years ago[1] still works, I installed it yesterday on my laptop which
was freshly installed with Win2k SP2, and used it to download all the
drivers, and a D2 loader... still rocks.

[1] http://mira.66h.42h.de/pub/lynx-windows.lzh

Admittedly, it's a bit older, and a one-shot action (openssl and
pdcurses, Borland C++ 5.5 free edition), but WFM. Better than
nothing.

bye,
//mirabile
-- 
[00:02] Vutral gecko: benutzt du emacs ?
[00:03] gecko nö  [00:03] gecko nur n normalen mac
[00:04] Vutral argl   [00:04] Vutral ne den editor
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx Win32

2006-01-16 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Jonathan Kirwan dixit:

Thanks for the link.  I had been looking on a web site with your name
attached, using google, but at the time (last Monday) I don't recall
finding a 'good link.'

Yes, that sucks a bit... my hoster has fubar'd several domains.
But that's my private space on an entirely different box, so
it luckily is not affected.

bye,
//mirabile
-- 
[00:02] Vutral gecko: benutzt du emacs ?
[00:03] gecko nö  [00:03] gecko nur n normalen mac
[00:04] Vutral argl   [00:04] Vutral ne den editor
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editing (was Re: [Lynx-dev] (no subject))

2006-01-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Giancarlo Bassi dixit:

 Walter Ian Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
 on Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:36:00 -0800:

 In the meantime, one might save the HTML page to disk, edit it so it works
 properly, then use that local file to control the unit.

Doesn't often work:

* session cookies
* forms

We need a edit this page in external editor then go back but retain
any form content, cookies, referrers and whatever (i.e. state) thing.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] passing parameter problem

2006-02-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
netsonic netsonic dixit:

 that works nice but if i try to send a parameter that doesnt work and makes 
 me busycrazy during daysthe code below looks like dont care the query 
 parameters.
   Code:
  
-lynx -accept_all_cookies -dump -post_data 
www.mysite.com/login.jsp?user=Burakpassword=123456

 -post_data
  properly formatted data for a post form are read in
  from the standard input and passed to the form. Input
  is terminated by a line that starts with '---'.

Which part of standard input did you not understand?

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] if Post_data parameter's values differ?

2006-02-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
netsonic netsonic dixit:

thats ok but here another problem starts...my user's parameter's value will 
change...So is there anyway to change the full command similar to this one 
below???(not using any text file)

 lynx -accept_all_cookies -post_data http://www.mysite.com  
 user=Burakpassword=123456semester=20051 ---

man 1 echo

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx can nto hanle unicode like this:

2006-02-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Yang dixit:

Chinese String like the following:
   
  
#32929;#31080;#26399;#26435;#30830;#35748;#20989

It works for me. lynx run in uxterm.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Mac Version

2006-02-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

 There is no compiled SSL version on fink for legal issues not  
 technical ones (you can compile your own but you need to install the  

The legal reasons are probably that the OpenSSL licence has advertising
clauses, which require you to publicise its authors whenever you distribute
it, but the GPL licence forbids additional restrictions, so any attempt
to distribute the GPLed Lynx linked with OpenSSL voids the GPL licence,
and therefore makes the distribution in breach of copyright.

Except on operating systems where OpenSSL is part of the base system.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Encoding

2006-03-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

Could I suggest that if anyone does implement this, they throw an
invalid document alert if it doesn't match the encoding obtained from
HTML sources, as such documents *are* invalid.

This it nitpicking. I use lynx because it's the only webbrowser
which displays almost any standards conformant web site correctly
AND has a good error recovery. People who design web pages are
probably no lynx users seeing the problems. Adding warnings just
will make lynx sink into oblivion.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSL certificates

2006-03-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
User Stef dixit:

 it was for an HTString.c

Just change the filename in the CVSweb URI.

 Do you have a wildcarded https site for testing?

cacert.org

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSL certificates

2006-04-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

It's going slowly - right now I'm spending 60-70 hours in dayjob-related
stuff

No problem.

But if I
see a patch, I'll add it to my to-do list...

I'll submit one but I'd quite like to see your comments on
that one first.

Thanks!
//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] LYNX: GOOGLE: how to make preferences (for 100 items each page) stick?

2006-04-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Combs dixit:

On my wife's computer (win2k, IE), it's easy to get google to
remember that I want 100 items per page.

I try it with lynx, and can't seem to get it to work.

Works. Use persistent cookies (lynx.cfg).

//mirabile
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when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] target_ in a link

2006-04-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
YANAGIHARA Nobuyuki dixit:

Must I use 'amp;target_'?

Yes. (That's not a browser thing, it's *ML.)

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSL certificates

2006-05-09 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 08:23:45PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
 Hi people,
 
 to add to all the traffic on the list... I've implemented full
 SSL certificate validation taking into account wildcard certificates
 (only if the wildcard is the first character, I feel it's more secure
 this way) and multiple CNs in the DN (as employed by e.g. cacert.org).

But if I
see a patch, I'll add it to my to-do list...

It did take me a while *blush* but here you are... reviewed on
a DEC VT420 ;) and tested via ssh onto a GNU/Linux box (and of
course, weeks of testing as part of the MirOS BSD base system).

I have, by no means, validated whether the code allows more
than it should, but it does what it promises: verify against
hosts with more than one CommonName in the DistinguishedName,
such as cacert.org, and handle leading asterisks in certifi-
cates well (I did not implement middle asterisks for securi-
ty reasons).

*) http://mirbsd.mirsolutions.de/cvs.cgi/src/etc/ssl.certs.shar?rev=HEAD
   Please feel free to use them. These are the certificates from MSIE 5
   on Win2k, some Netscape, plus CAcert.org; old or invalid certificates
   removed or (when applicable, e.g. Thawte Root Rollover) updated. I do
   of course not warrant they're correct, but that's the standard set
   trusted by the others too.

Did anyone look at this?

bye,
//mirabile
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Hallo, ich bin der Holger (Hallo Holger!), und ich bin ebenfalls
... pine-User, und das auch noch gewohnheitsmäßig (Oooohhh).  [aus dasr]diff -pru lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.c 
lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.c
--- lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.cTue May  9 
10:10:35 2006
+++ lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.c Tue May  9 10:12:55 2006
@@ -155,6 +155,38 @@ int strncasecomp(const char *a,
 return ((long) n  0 ? 0 : cm[*us1] - cm[*--us2]);
 }
 
+/* XXX this only handles leading asterisks but is ok for now (SSL) */
+int strcasecomp_asterisk(const char *a, const char *b)
+{
+   unsigned const char *cm = charmap;
+   unsigned const char *us1 = a;
+   unsigned const char *us2 = b;
+
+   if ((*a != '*')  (*b != '*'))
+   return strcasecomp(a, b);
+
+   if (*b == '*') {
+   us1 = b;
+   us2 = a;
+   }
+
+   if (strlen(us2)  (strlen(us1) - 1))
+   return 1;
+
+   while (*++us1 != '\0')
+   ;
+   while (*++us2 != '\0')
+   ;
+
+   while (1) {
+   if (cm[*us1] != cm[*us2])
+   return 1;
+   if ((*--us1) == '*')
+   return 0;
+   --us2;
+   }
+}
+
 #else /* SH_EX */
 
 /* Strings of any length
@@ -201,6 +233,36 @@ int strncasecomp(const char *a,
return diff;
 }
 /*NOTREACHED */
+}
+
+int strcasecomp_asterisk(const char *a, const char *b)
+{
+   unsigned const char *us1 = a;
+   unsigned const char *us2 = b;
+
+   if ((*a != '*')  (*b != '*'))
+   return strcasecomp(a, b);
+
+   if (*b == '*') {
+   us1 = us2;
+   us2 = a;
+   }
+
+   if (strlen(us2)  (strlen(us1) - 1))
+   return 1;
+
+   while (*++us1 != '\0')
+   ;
+   while (*++us2 != '\0')
+   ;
+
+   while (1) {
+   if (TOLOWER(*us1) != TOLOWER(*us2))
+   return 1;
+   if ((*--us1) == '*')
+   return 0;
+   --us2;
+   }
 }
 
 #endif /* SH_EX */
diff -pru lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.h 
lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.h
--- lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.hTue May  9 
10:10:35 2006
+++ lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTString.h Tue May  9 10:11:10 2006
@@ -45,6 +45,8 @@ Case-insensitive string comparison
 extern int strcasecomp8(const char *a, const char *b);
 extern int strncasecomp8(const char *a, const char *b, int n);
 
+extern int strcasecomp_asterisk(const char *a, const char *b);
+
 /*
  * strcasecomp8 and strncasecomp8 are variants of strcasecomp and
  * strncasecomp, but use 8bit upper/lower case information from the
diff -pru lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTTP.c 
lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTTP.c
--- lynx2-8-6.orig/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTTP.cTue May  9 10:10:35 2006
+++ lynx2-8-6/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTTP.c Tue May  9 10:14:21 2006
@@ -451,11 +451,14 @@ static int HTLoadHTTP(const char *arg,
 const char *connect_url = NULL;/* The URL being proxied */
 char *connect_host = NULL; /* The host being proxied */
 SSL *handle = NULL;/* The SSL handle */
-char ssl_dn[256];
+char ssl_dn[1024

[Lynx-dev] [PATCH] printf fixes

2006-05-09 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi Tom, hi others,

while picking out the SSL diff from all of my diffs,
I found these three. Please apply.

Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYPrint.c
diff -u src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYPrint.c:1.1.109.1 
src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYPrint.c:1.2
--- src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYPrint.c:1.1.109.1Sun Mar 27 22:12:13 2005
+++ src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYPrint.c  Fri Apr 29 16:47:25 2005
@@ -1325,7 +1325,7 @@
   a href=\%s//PRINTER/number=%d/pagelen=%d/lines=%d\,
STR_LYNXPRINT,
count, cur_printer-pagelen, lines_in_file);
-   fprintf(fp0, (cur_printer-name ?
+   fprintf(fp0, %s, (cur_printer-name ?
  cur_printer-name : No Name Given));
fprintf(fp0, /a\n);
}
Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYUpload.c
diff -u src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYUpload.c:1.1.109.1 
src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYUpload.c:1.2
--- src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYUpload.c:1.1.109.1   Sun Mar 27 22:12:14 2005
+++ src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/LYUpload.c Fri Apr 29 16:47:25 2005
@@ -207,7 +207,7 @@
 cur_upload = cur_upload-next, count++) {
fprintf(fp0,a href=\LYNXDIRED://UPLOAD=%d/TO=%s\,
count, curloc);
-   fprintf(fp0, (cur_upload-name ?
+   fprintf(fp0, %s, (cur_upload-name ?
  cur_upload-name : gettext(No Name Given)));
fprintf(fp0, /a\n);
}
Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/UCdomap.c
diff -u src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/UCdomap.c:1.1.109.3 
src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/UCdomap.c:1.2
--- src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/UCdomap.c:1.1.109.3Mon Dec 19 23:10:43 2005
+++ src/gnu/usr.bin/lynx/src/UCdomap.c  Sun Jan  1 21:07:12 2006
@@ -2056,7 +2056,7 @@
 char *mimeName, *mName = NULL, *lName = NULL;
 int s, i, exists = 0, ret;
 
-CTRACE((tfp, CpOrdinal(cp=%ul, other=%d).\n, cp, other));
+CTRACE((tfp, CpOrdinal(cp=%lu, other=%d).\n, cp, other));
 sprintf(myMimeName, auto%s-cp%lu, (other ? 2 : ), cp);
 mimeName = myMimeName + 5 + (other != 0);
 sprintf(lyName, AutoDetect%s (cp%lu),


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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx with readonly textarea

2006-05-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Maybe, but I have an account on a Zope system where the
create new item is a drop-down plus submit item, and
an older (approx. 2003) lynx doesn't allow me to change
the drop-down because it is read-only while a recent
lynx allows me to.

I prefer the latter, of course... besides, who needs
read-only thingies anyway? Just use texts! Even for
JavaScript(tm) users.

bye,
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[Lynx-dev] Display issue (with pre and table, maybe?)

2006-05-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hello!

Find attached HTML and a screenshot at 80x24 of the site.

The comment is cut off on the right. (2.8.6dev.16)
It only shows I suppos and then the remainder which is
deemed unfit for the line on the second one. IMHO the
comment should start further on the left, not as much
on the right as now - then, wrapping would be correct.

bye,
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Hallo, ich bin der Holger (Hallo Holger!), und ich bin ebenfalls
... pine-User, und das auch noch gewohnheitsmäßig (Oooohhh).  [aus dasr]!-- X-URL: http://bsdnews.com/view_story.php3?story_id=5781 --
!-- Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:43:03 GMT --
BASE HREF=http://bsdnews.com/view_story.php3?story_id=5781;

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
html
head
titleBSD News/title
link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=BSDNews RSS Feed 
href=ddn.rdf.php3 /
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css 
href=http://common.daemonnews.org/dn.css; 
link rel=shortcut icon href=http://common.daemonnews.org/images/daemon.ico;
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
META NAME=keywords CONTENT= Security, Women, Girls, Bikini, BSD, FreeBSD, 
NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD, Darwin, Mac OS X, Video Games,OSX, Mach, News, 
BSD News, UNIX
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img src=http://common.daemonnews.org/BSDNews.gif;
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google_ad_format = 468x60_as;
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google_ad_channel =;
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Submitted By :

A HREF=http://www.de.openbsd.org/;Alexander von Gernler/A
BR
Damien Bergamini recently added initial (blob-free!) support for the Intel 
PRO/Wireless 3945ABG 802.11 cards found in laptops with the Intel Centrino Duo 
chipset to OpenBSD -current.



In contrast to Linux, where a binary-only regulatory daemon is needed, the 
OpenBSD driver is completely free.



So, it is a great time to test Damien's work and give feedback to him, so he 
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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSL certificates

2006-06-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stef Caunter dixit:

 Updated README.sslcerts (patch attached), including procedure for acquiring 
 and
 installing MirOS cert bundle and noting the wildcard cert feature. Mention of
 modssl as a potential cert bundle source removed.

Uh, the files created by src/etc/ssl.certs.shar are already hashed,
i.e. are named like they would be by the c_rehash utility... also, I
disagree with putting them into a single file, which makes it harder
to add another one.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] SSL certificates

2006-06-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stef Caunter dixit:

 Well, I should have realized that was done for a reason. Fixed, attached.

Okay, thanks.

Minor criticism:
 includes the cacert.org certificate. Download the latest revision; read the fi
le
 to see how to get the certs out.

a) please send 'diff -u', it's much easier to read (Tom, is that
   preferred by you too?)
b) I'd wrap at 72 or so columns, but maybe that's just me
c) read the file to see how to get the certs out sounds like
   hackery, I'd replace that by pass the file through unshar,
   if installed, or /bin/sh otherwise, to extract the certificates.

Tom?

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx with SSL support for WinXP installation needed

2006-06-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 From: Sean Leong [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm trying to get a version of Lynx that can read SSL pages on the web
 on a WinXP box. I am not technical, so I'd like an easy install method
 if that is possible.

You download the following two files:
 http://mira.66h.42h.de/pub/lha.exe
 http://mira.66h.42h.de/pub/lynx-windows.lzh

Place both files in the C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32 or C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
directory (depends on where it was installed).

Then click on Start - Programmes - Command Prompt

A window with light grey text on black background
will appear, with a command prompt looking like

C:\ _

There, you enter the following lines:
 c:
 cd \windows\system32
 ren lynx-windows.lzh lynxw.lzh
 lha e lynxw
 exit

(If the directory where you placed the files is
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32, change that appropriately.)

Then, go into the system32 directory in Explorer,
you will find a file named Lynx.exe (or just Lynx,
depending on your setting). Click on it with the
RIGHT mouse button, hold that pressed, drag it to
the desktop and release it. A menu will pop open,
in which you select Create shortcut here.

Voilá.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx2.8.6dev.18 build fails

2006-06-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Thomas Dickey dixit:

 /usr/local/include/slang.h:899: warning: `libintl_printf' is an unrecognized
 format function type

Looks to me like

* GNU libintl: #define printf libintl_printf
* slang.h: void somefunction(const char *, ...) __attribute__((printf (1, 2)));

Try --disable-nls (which is better anyway ;).

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and xp

2006-06-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Marce Bylinska dixit:

Just curious whether Lynx works with Win XP?

Yes.

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[Lynx-dev] SSL errors and retrieval

2006-06-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi,

from #lynx on calkins.freenode.net (IRC):

A user wants to retrieve something from an HTTPS website, like this:

lynx -dump --accept_all_cookies -auth=foo:bar 
https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/get?

He says it works without the -dump, but doesn't work with it.
I told him to install the SSL cert bundle, but it didn't seem
to help (no idea why), and I cannot reproduce it because I
don't have that -auth= info.

But the basic idea of having a command line option which over-
rides all SSL warnings (self-signed cert, no common name, can't
find local issuer, etc.) would make sense to me, for these who
really want it. (Please do not add that to -dump automatically,
for these who DO care about SSL.)

bye,
//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Problem with SSL certificates in Lynx

2006-06-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Aki Tuomi dixit:

This error does not exhibit itself in other browsers, nor when testing
with

 openssl -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect site:443

Then, it should not happen. Which version of lynx are you using,
by the way?

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Problem with SSL certificates in Lynx

2006-06-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Aki Tuomi dixit:

$ lynx --version
Lynx Version 2.8.5rel.1 (04 Feb 2004)

Okay, could you test with 2.8.6dev.18 again?
There were some important SSL changes.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] Problem with SSL certificates in Lynx

2006-07-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

X509_NAME_oneline doesn't seem to be compatible with GnuTLS and
OpenSSL.  Lynx doesn't work well with GnuTLS's format.

OpenSSL: /C=JP/ST=Tokyo/(snip)/CN=...
GnuTLS : C=, ST=Tokyo,(snip), CN=...

Seems easy enough:

s/^/\// s/, /\//g

Do you want to submit a patch for these who use GnuTLS?
Otherwise, ask them to be OpenSSL compatible.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] DJGPP patch for 2.8.6dev.18

2006-07-25 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Doug Kaufman dixit:

The first is a change to aclocal.m4 from test -f to test -x. This

To quote *(autoconf-2.60.info)Limitations of Builtins::

`test' (files)
 To enable `configure' scripts to support cross-compilation, they
 shouldn't do anything that tests features of the build system
 instead of the host system.  But occasionally you may find it
 necessary to check whether some arbitrary file exists.  To do so,
 use `test -f' or `test -r'.  Do not use `test -x', because 4.3BSD
 does not have it.  Do not use `test -e' either, because Solaris
 `/bin/sh' lacks it.  To test for symbolic links on systems that
 have them, use `test -h' rather than `test -L'; either form
 conforms to Posix 1003.1-2001, but older shells like Solaris 8
 `/bin/sh' support only `-h'.


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Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing

2006-07-25 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

  - change the compiler from Borland's bcc32 to MingW's gcc

Why?

  - change the SSL library from OpenSSL to GnuTls

NO! That'd be BAD!

  - write the English project page

You could at least add an (international) behind the link on the page.

bye,
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GPL (was Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing)

2006-07-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

They are only free to choose the SSL implementation because the code
is legitimately distributable for use on, say, Linux.  The FSF take a 

True, but what does Lynx consist of?

Lynx + pdcurses + OpenSSL

So all that is required is to ask the Lynx copyright holder
for an exception (blah blah allowed to link against any
library implementing the OpenSSL interface, or something).

That would, I guess, be UKansas and a few individuals.

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 bedienbaren textmode-mailclient halte (und ich hab sie alle ausprobiert). ;)
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[Lynx-dev] lynx screen SIGWINCH

2006-07-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi,

I once reported a bug about displaying text like this:

--- snip ---
Index of /~miwi
Index of /~miwi

[1]Name[2]Last modified   [3]Size  [4]Descriptio

n
  ___

 [DIR]  [5]Parent Directory26-Jul-2006 07:25  -
--- snip ---

instead of:

--- snip ---
Index of /~miwi
Index of /~miwi

[1]Name[2]Last modified   [3]Size  [4]Descriptio
n
  ___

 [DIR]  [5]Parent Directory26-Jul-2006 07:25  -
--- snip ---

The difference is a new line, as if the terminal has
automargin yet lynx/ncurses (still this 5.2 one of
BSD) adds a newline there.

It gets worse over time:

--- snip ---
Index of /~miwi
Index of /~miwi

[1]Name[2]Last modified   [3]Size  [4]Descriptio
n
n
  ___
   Parent Directory
 [DIR]  [5]Parent Directory26-Jul-2006 07:25  -
--- snip ---

This is after pressing cursor down four times,
the cursor is now on the [5]-less (upper) Parent
Directory, the upper 'n' is left from when it was
on Description.

This occurs after:

^Ac (start a new window inside screen)
lynx $url
^Ax (lock)
password to unlock
^L (redraw)

screen 4.0.2 (TERM=screen inside) on
wscons (TERM=vt220 or wsvt25 outside)

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing

2006-07-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Walter Ian Kaye dixit:

 There are no links for Mac OS X either.

Oops. Does Mac OSX come shipped without lynx?

This cries for a lynx port in the MirPorts Framework.

//mirabile
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[Lynx-dev] Re: GPL

2006-07-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

there is no doubt that distributing an OpenSSL binary for Windows
is a copyright infringement.

Nonsense.

Besides, you can just distribute OpenSSL for Windows and Lynx for
Windows separately. OpenSSL implements a public interface (and in
fact GnuTLS speaks some of that as well) and is fairly standard.

I'd still get the copyright holders (not every single contribution
is worth enough, you know) permission though.

Some of the code is probably pre-GPL too, so people who contribu-
ted in pre-GPL times don't need to be traced.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: GPL

2006-07-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

 Nonsense.

For a static link, that would fundamentally undermine the GPL.

Eh?

Distributing a binary of OpenSSL for Windows is only subject
to OpenSSL's licence.

//mirabile
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Re: GPL

2006-07-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
David Woolley dixit:

The FSF view is that dynamic linking should be treated
like static

This is not the case if you link dynamically against a
standard interface / OS component. Besides, if static
and dynamic linking are to be treated equally, why can't
we treat BSD (comes with libssl by default) and Windows
also equally?

Finally: the FSF is not a copyright holder to lynx.
Their opinion should be heard but eventually do not matter.

to achieve a sufficiently arm's length
separation, other components should be self contained programs.

And OpenSSL is not self-contained exactly where?

This is the sort of brinkmanship that commercial organisations trying
to use GPL code without releasing their code try.

If you're talking about Linux kernel modules: if the modules are
not derived from the Linux kernel, like the nVidia drivers, and
they are distributed separetely (mere aggregation e.g. on the
Koroaa CD doesn't count) and only linked together at run-time,
everything is okay as long as the linked-together (i.e. after
an insmod) form is never distributed (which it isn't since it's
an in-memory kernel), everything is okay.

The analogy can be taken to lynx: if it's using dlopen() to
load either OpenSSL or an equivalent library, and the linked-
together form is never distributed, there's no problem.
(And why should dlopen() be treated not like dynamic linking?
Backreference to the first paragraph.)

trying it on shows a disrespect for the licence.

What do you expect from the head developer of a BSD operating system?
Embracing and endorsing the GNU licences?

I'm just trying to open up your eyes. The FSF's opinion may be worth
something, and I respect these people, but I don't share their opinion,
and I know that some things they pretend are just not backed by their
(rather ancient) licences.

bye,
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Re: [Lynx-dev] LYMainLoop.c [PATCH]

2006-08-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Doug Kaufman dixit:

Does putting a \r at the beginning of the message cause problems with
any of the operating systems supported by lynx?

On (all?) conformant/standard C systems, a \r will just move
the cursor back to the beginning of the line.

bye,
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Re: Compiling MingW lynx under Cygwin (was Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing)

2006-08-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit:

If it's true, the binary with GnuTLS is inferior to the one with OpenSSL
on this point.

Like I said. (And the other issue with the DN format is still open,
although I've sent a patch to Tom about it which none of you GNU
users seems to have tested.)

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[Lynx-dev] Re: lynx mirport not working

2006-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixi:

internal error while caching 1st tagspec of 0 lexeme

Lynx.trace appended. Disabling prettysrc, as suggested by
OpenMacNews, works. (This has been committed to the MirPorts
Framework, so there is now a simple way to get a functional
version of Lynx for the Macintosh.)

Still we'd better hunt down this bug, right?

bye,
//mirabile

PS: CVSweb is at http://cvs.mirbsd.de/ports/www/lynx/
in case you want to see my configure options and patches.
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./LYReadCFG.c: 1649: opening config file /Users/tglaser/mpkg/etc/lynx.lss
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(normal:   normal: 
lightgray:black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(default:  normal: 
lightgray:black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(em:   bold:   
brightblue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(strong:   bold:   
brightred)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(b:bold:   red)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(i:bold:   
brightblue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(a:bold:   green)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(img:  dim:brown)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(fig:  normal: gray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(caption:  reverse:brown)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(hr:   normal: yellow)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(blockquote:   normal: 
brightblue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(ul:   normal: brown)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(address:  normal: magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(title:normal: 
magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(tt:   dim:
brightmagenta:  black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(h1:   bold:   yellow: 
blue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(label:normal: 
magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(q:normal: yellow: 
magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(small:dim:
default)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(big:  bold:   yellow)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(sup:  bold:   yellow)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(sub:  dim:gray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(lh:   bold:   yellow: 
magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(li:   normal: magenta)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(code: normal: cyan)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(cite: normal: cyan)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(table:normal: 
brightcyan)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(tr:   bold:   brown)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(td:   normal: default)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(br:   normal: default)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(alink:reverse:
yellow: black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(status:   reverse:
yellow: blue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(alert:bold:   
yellow: red)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(whereis:  reverse+underline:  
magenta:cyan)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.bg:  normal: black:  
lightgray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.frame:   normal: black:  
lightgray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.entry:   normal: 
lightgray:  black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.n:   normal: 
red:gray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.active:  normal: yellow: 
black)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(menu.sb:  normal: 
brightred:  lightgray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(forwbackw.arrow:reverse)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(hot.paste:normal: 
brightred:  gray)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(ul.red:   underline:  
brightred)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(ul.blue:  bold:   
brightblue)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(li.red:   reverse:
red:yellow)
./LYStyle.c: 489: HStyle_addStyle(li.blue:  bold:   

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