RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
konrad wrote: Edwin (and others), great thanks for starting to work on this! thanks for having a look as well... I have a number of suggestions for changes, strictly based on the HIG [1] (except those sentences starting with IMO). just as a side note; i think it is good to have some

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Hi Edwin, thanks for your comments. leuven edwin wrote: konrad wrote: just as a side note; i think it is good to have some directions, but i don't think we should treat the apple hig as the holy bible (personally i like apples, but as a fruit). as i see it many of these ui design decisions

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
but let's see: attached the reworked menu, following most of your suggestions But there is a View menu everywhere - in the XP HIG, Vista HIG, Apple HIG, Wordpad, Office 2003, ... so now possibly also soon in lyx... Don't refuse just because you don't like it. that's what all religious

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
[4] Our document settings are file-specific parameters, saved with the document, so it is IMO very similar to the Page Setup-item in the HIG: Page Setup... . Opens a dialog for specifying printing parameters such as paper size and printing orientation. These parameters are saved with the

Re: Why not drop DVI ?

2008-09-17 Thread Michel Lavaud
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Le 16 sept. 08 à 13:12, Michel Lavaud a écrit : On the other hand, I never noted any problem of incorrect display with any dvi file I viewed. While have already witnessed problems like the ones you describe with PDF, I'll add to be fair that I would not send

On tabs and multiple views/windows.

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Something relevant for the menus, but not quite clear to me (and I believe in parts a bit buggy/inconsistent). Maybe somebody can explain. What I think we should have (conceptually): a) Files (=documents) and b) Views onto the file (one or more, in various windows and tabs). In the menus this

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
as in attached menu order: file, edit, format, insert, math, go to, typeset, window, document, application, help toolbars is in application fullscreen in window i like this myself (if I can say that..) hig2.inc Description: hig2.inc hig2.ui Description: hig2.ui

Re: unicode in math

2008-09-17 Thread G. Milde
On 16.09.08, Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:13:49PM +0200, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, G. Milde wrote: please send me a copy of eventual replies, as I am just a user. * should the input-math conversion only be done for characters from Basic Latin and

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Edwin, for the sake of hig-ness - I guess that means I am higgy? Quite possible. :-) About the open/close windows, tabs, etc., and independent of the menue discussion, I don't quite get what does what (esp. the Close tab group). Should that not be a simple Close tab-functionality?

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
as in attached Sort of.. ;-) i like this myself (if I can say that..) I like it too, but... (just being constructive) - it is very sneaky to remove the View menu again.. Moving all items from the Window menu into the View menu would ALSO be an option... - The File-New Window and

Re: [Cvslog] r26428 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: BufferView.cpp BufferVi...

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Author: lasgouttes Date: Wed Sep 17 16:51:27 2008 New Revision: 26428 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/26428 Log: fix properly http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2040 * BufferView.cpp (setCursorFromInset): new method, useful to find an

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sorry for this; when i was implementing graphics groups i have asked for the undo stuff and particularly that line you are refering now. finally i put there recordUndoFullDocument since the comments in undo.h were not clear to me and nobody replied. I

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Maybe, it is a HIG interpretation thing, but I'm seriously doubting that the HIG says that content-related stuff like the Document settings... must be in the File menu. Correct. (but I still think it is the right place) Things like page setup do not

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: - it is very sneaky to remove the View menu again.. Moving all items from the Window menu into the View menu would ALSO be an option... If you propose something like this, then please propose a LyX-Menu-HIG. - The File-New Window and File-Close Window

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe, it is a HIG interpretation thing, but I'm seriously doubting that the HIG says that content-related stuff like the Document settings... must be in the File menu. Things like page setup do not influence the content of the document in

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, LyX users are used to having a Document-Settings... Item. They will be disturbed if they have to look for one of the most important menu items. IMO - no, no, no. If we start to care about legacy, nothing good will come out. Can you

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
leuven edwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did not know that, I see know. It should not be like this (i.e. Inset states should be independent in multiple views IMO), but this is another topic... collapsed status is also saved in the document (like it or not), so i have put this in the file

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
leuven edwin wrote: i like this myself (if I can say that..) I don't. Which HIG does it follow? /Konrad

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
collapsed status is also saved in the document (like it or not), so i have put this in the file menu for now I would not do that. File menu is more for physical state of the document (so I guess Compressed can belong there). If you do that, why not put Insert Table Float too??? hey don't

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread lasgouttes
leuven edwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: collapsed status is also saved in the document (like it or not), so i have put this in the file menu for now I would not do that. File menu is more for physical state of the document (so I guess Compressed can belong there). If you do that, why not put

Re: [patch] bug 1747: fix alignment in fixed width multicolumn cells

2008-09-17 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 16:44:58 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Here's one. Fixes bug 448: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448 Jürgen As soon as you are content with the testing this can go in. -- José Abílio

Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread José Matos
We are approaching now of the time to have a new release. I am satisfied with a 3/4 weeks period between releases as the testing by users that usually just take a released version is not too far from the trunk head. Asking a user to test if a problem remains one or two weeks later on the new

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw i would be grateful if you can add some commentaries to undo.h, my question was how recordUndo should be used - the current commentary says 'prepare' undo as if something should be done to finish it and the commentary on finishUndo didn't help :) Is

Re: XML structure thoughts

2008-09-17 Thread José Matos
On Monday 15 September 2008 22:11:12 rgheck wrote: I don't think so. The existing parser is used to parse InsetTabular stuff, and that all has an XML format. So the existing parser CAN parse XML. Not that it's the best choice, but it would do in a pinch. Although I do not have details at the

RE: Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Maybe, it is a HIG interpretation thing, but I'm seriously doubting that the HIG says that content-related stuff like the Document settings... must be in the File menu. Correct. (but I still think it is the right place) Things like page setup do not influence the content of the

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
- it is very sneaky to remove the View menu again.. Moving all items from the Window menu into the View menu would ALSO be an option... not sneaky, i just moved the 2 items in the view menu. the window menu was much fuller so i makes sense not to name it view. of course we could s/window/view/

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Can you point to a program where _all_ document-level settings are in File menu? We shall not over-interpret the HIG. I do not have much to compare to by hand, only OO 2.3 and Word 2003. Word 2003 has the Page Setup in File, OO has Properties in File. Both of them

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Can you point to a program where _all_ document-level settings are in File menu? We shall not over-interpret the HIG. I do not have much to compare to by hand, only OO 2.3 and Word 2003. Word 2003 has the Page Setup in File, OO has

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Word 2003 has the Page Setup in File, OO has Properties in File. Both of them don't have a Document menu. Both have (a Windows-HIG) Tools menu. What is the difference between file and document in the first place ??? In OO FileProperties is not very

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leuven edwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: collapsed status is also saved in the document (like it or not), so i have put this in the file menu for now I would not do that. File menu is more for physical state of the document (so I guess Compressed can belong there). If

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I only followed the discussion with an eye. Could some nice soul point me to the relevant HIG part? That is my job ;-) It would be nice to start a wiki page with links to the apple (or vista or...) HIGs for the different parts of the menus. but I

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Word 2003 has the Page Setup in File, OO has Properties in File. Both of them don't have a Document menu. Both have (a Windows-HIG) Tools menu. What is the difference between file and document in the first place ??? In

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What if the HIG doesn't have the correct place for these items...? You remove the feature. JMarc

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgot (sorry for the noise): And both don't have any more document-level settings, as far as I can see. Not a FormatPage, by chance? A toolsLanguage? JMarc

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 06:49:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And about the discussion if we should merge View and Window - menu: Every application I seen on my desktop, all Apple apps, all Mozilla apps, OpenOffice, Word 2003 (on XP), ... have a View AND a WINDOW menu, and there

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Well, I just wanted to make a distinction between content-related and content-unrelated items. (And I chose Document, because LyX has already a Document menu and I do care about legacy, see below) The name Document does not really transport the notion of

RE: Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
And I disklike a document-menu: It breaks the cross-platform HIG concept of File - View - Window menus, and I do not understand what is the difference between a file and a document. You may dislike it. I never said it has to be a Document menu; never said that it is very common to have a

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgot (sorry for the noise): And both don't have any more document-level settings, as far as I can see. Not a FormatPage, by chance? A toolsLanguage? In that sense, yes, you are right. The question is what we learn by

Re: Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread Neal Becker
José Matos wrote: We are approaching now of the time to have a new release. I am satisfied with a 3/4 weeks period between releases as the testing by users that usually just take a released version is not too far from the trunk head. Asking a user to test if a problem remains one or two

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I only reasoned that some of the items did not belong to the place they were put according to the HIG. And to propose something else, I found a common factor and I remembered having a menu in LyX where they might fit in. Sure. Please, be welcome to

RE: Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Sorry (really), can you please tell me (again) which items you don't see fit? These could be in Document/Tools: [Edit] Spellcheck [Edit] Thesaurus [Edit] Change tracking [File] Statistics This one Document/Format: [File] Document Settings Somewhere else in the File menu: [File] New Window

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Richard Heck
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: For example, LyX users are used to having a Document-Settings... Item. They will be disturbed if they have to look for one of the most important menu items. IMO - no, no, no. If we start to care about legacy, nothing good will come out. And it is worth remembering

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Somewhere else in the File menu: [File] New Window [File] Close Window The HIG do not really specify this (I only took that from Firefox and Safari). One could also argue that these two should be in Window. These could be in Document/Tools: [Edit]

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Can you point to a program where _all_ document-level settings are in File menu? We shall not over-interpret the HIG. I do not have much to compare to by hand, only OO 2.3 and Word 2003. Word 2003 has the Page Setup in File, OO has Properties in File. Both of them

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Pavel Sanda wrote: just to give some feedback the file/document distinction to me as a user is quite clear Can you please (honestly) explain this distinction to me (or define)? I feel like I am missing something here ... and adding the items into file menu looks pretty messy. That is

Re: On tabs and multiple views/windows.

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Something relevant for the menus, but not quite clear to me (and I believe in parts a bit buggy/inconsistent). Maybe somebody can explain. What I think we should have (conceptually): a) Files (=documents) and b) Views onto the file (one or more, in various windows and

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: lasgouttes Date: Wed Sep 17 18:28:33 2008 New Revision: 26432 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/26432 Log: Fix bug 2746: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2746 References autoupdate is not undone during UNDO operation * InsetLabel.cpp

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
* InsetLabel.cpp (updateCommand): record undo for each of the label changes (and put everything in a group to make sure it will be undone in one step). That's very nice. Thanks :) Are you aware of other places where this would be needed? What I have to do now is look at

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 sept. 08 à 20:27, Konrad Hofbauer a écrit : P.S. On accusing me of fraud / cover up: Have you really worked through http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/110921 to be able to say so ??? I think it should be enough to support my claims once with a proper reference, and not

Re: On tabs and multiple views/windows.

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Something relevant for the menus, but not quite clear to me (and I believe in parts a bit buggy/inconsistent). Maybe somebody can explain. What I think we should have (conceptually): a) Files (=documents) and b) Views onto the file (one or more,

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 17 sept. 08 à 20:27, Konrad Hofbauer a écrit : P.S. On accusing me of fraud / cover up: Have you really worked through http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/110921 to be able to say so ??? I think it should be enough to support my claims once with a

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: just to give some feedback the file/document distinction to me as a user is quite clear Can you please (honestly) explain this distinction to me (or define)? I feel like I am missing something here ... i will try. when i go to the file, i'm

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 17 sept. 08 ? 20:27, Konrad Hofbauer a écrit : P.S. On accusing me of fraud / cover up: Have you really worked through http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/110921 to be able to say so ??? I think it should be enough to support my claims once with

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: * InsetLabel.cpp (updateCommand): record undo for each of the label changes (and put everything in a group to make sure it will be undone in one step). That's very nice. Thanks :) Are you aware of other places where this would be needed? I'll try

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
What I have to do now is look at each of the recordUndoFullDocument and kill them. We need a recordUndoDocumentParams instead. Yes, that would be nice. Backing up the whole document whenever the _view_ of a document changes (counter, etc) is not very clever :-) Where do we do that? I am

Re: Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread Bennett Helm
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are approaching now of the time to have a new release. I am satisfied with a 3/4 weeks period between releases as the testing by users that usually just take a released version is not too far from the trunk head.

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: What I have to do now is look at each of the recordUndoFullDocument and kill them. We need a recordUndoDocumentParams instead. Yes, that would be nice. Backing up the whole document whenever the _view_ of a document changes (counter, etc) is not very clever :-)

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
About the new selection painting with your patch: I realize now that we are back to 1.5 style. The goal in the previous painting was to be able to differentiate betwen row break and new paragraph within a selection. Anyone thinks this has potential (see attachment) ? Or has other ideas

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: About the new selection painting with your patch: I realize now that we are back to 1.5 style. The goal in the previous painting was to be able to differentiate betwen row break and new paragraph within a selection. Anyone thinks this has potential

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
We also need to fix the selection painting within Inset. and *of* insets themselves. f.e. if you change the color of selected text to white in preferences you will see that say the numbers of sections stay black (whereas we would then like them white). it would be nice if this type of stuff

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Anyone thinks this has potential (see attachment) ? I do :-) In that case, I added an extra boolean to the Row class saying whether there is an end of paragraph end or a normal end of line. Now, we can experiment with different kinds of painting. Maybe the Apple HIG says something

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Pavel Sanda wrote: i will try. when i go to the file, i'm usually looking for something which has something a) to do with files generally (ie it does not have anything to do with this in file particular. for example open another file.) b) or has something to do with this file - but it

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sorry for this; when i was implementing graphics groups i have asked for the undo stuff and particularly that line you are refering now. finally i put there recordUndoFullDocument since the comments in undo.h were not clear

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
We also need to fix the selection painting within Inset. and *of* insets themselves. f.e. if you change the color of selected text to white in preferences you will see that say the numbers of sections stay black (whereas we would then like them white). it would be nice if this type

Re: r26432 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets/InsetLabel.cpp

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 sept. 08 à 22:44, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : IIUC, whenever BufferParams is changed after touching the Document Settings, the whole document contents is saved because recordUndoFullDocument() is called, isn't it? Yes, it is one of the points I want to look at. I thought you were

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Anyone thinks this has potential (see attachment) ? I do :-) In that case, I added an extra boolean to the Row class saying whether there is an end of paragraph end or a normal end of line. Now, we can experiment with different kinds

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw i would be grateful if you can add some commentaries to undo.h, my question was how recordUndo should be used - the current commentary says 'prepare' undo as if something should be done to finish it and the commentary

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: We also need to fix the selection painting within Inset. and *of* insets themselves. f.e. if you change the color of selected text to white in preferences you will see that say the numbers of sections stay black (whereas we would then like them

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
i can't remember exactly, maybe it was http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5002 this bug seems to be different issue though. Yes, it seems to be different. But what got me started was someone complanigng that LyX was chewing memory with each replace-all operation on a big file. This one

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Anyone thinks this has potential (see attachment) ? I do :-) In that case, I added an extra boolean to the Row class saying whether there is an end of paragraph end or a normal end of line. Now, we can experiment with different kinds of painting.

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
We really need transparent colors then. Then compute a selection color for each Inset based on their background color and the selection color. That could be difficult. I'd say it's OK if we loose the initial background color... at least for now... There was a time where insets could have a

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 sept. 08 à 23:14, Pavel Sanda a écrit : g.patch Sure. JMarc

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
We really need transparent colors then. Then compute a selection color for each Inset based on their background color and the selection color. That could be difficult. I'd say it's OK if we loose the initial background color... at least for now... There was a time where insets could

Re: Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Bennett Helm wrote: A couple quick and easy changes for mac.bind and the lyxeditor script in the Mac bundle should go in (attached). (Note that cmdg is the Mac default for search again.) its in. pavel

Re: unicode in math

2008-09-17 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 03:52:24PM +0200, G. Milde wrote: On 16.09.08, Enrico Forestieri wrote: [...] Note that in math mode TeX (and even XeTeX) doesn't support anything outside the ASCII set, This limitation seems more due to technical restrictions than to a design decision. At least

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
We also need to fix the selection painting within Inset. In your example, the inset should have a blue background, regardless off end of paragraph. That's also to be fixed for mathed. We really need transparent colors then. Then compute a selection color for each Inset based on

RE: Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
I think that either we build something based on likes/dislikes, or something based on HIGs. In the later case, I am happy to be involved, in the earlier case I will not be involved very much (but just as happy). You're right, but: - In the thread it was also mentioned that we would like to

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: I think that either we build something based on likes/dislikes, or something based on HIGs. In the later case, I am happy to be involved, in the earlier case I will not be involved very much (but just as happy). You're right, but: What follow are all very

Re: Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread Bennett Helm
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bennett Helm wrote: A couple quick and easy changes for mac.bind and the lyxeditor script in the Mac bundle should go in (attached). (Note that cmdg is the Mac default for search again.) its in. Thanks! Bennett

Re: Preparing for rc3

2008-09-17 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 18:13:30 Neal Becker wrote: How is support for XeLaTeX? Absent? :-) -- José Abílio

Re: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread jeanmarc . lasgouttes
Well, that's a pity. Look at Captions, Ragged-Line-Breaks, LyxMenuSeparators (in the User's guide). They are all painted crappy (when moving your mouse around them), because they have no color specified and they do not inherit their parent's color. This means that the area cannot be cleared

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread cmiramon
John Levon wrote: - what the biggest problems are with the current structure Some statistics : first figure is the number of menu items, the second number the total menu + sub-menus + sub-sub-menus items LyX svn blank document with a table File : 17 ; 53 Edit : 17 ; 79 View : 19 ; 55 Insert :

RE: [patch] Solving selection painting bugs

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
Well, that's a pity. Look at Captions, Ragged-Line-Breaks, LyxMenuSeparators (in the User's guide). They are all painted crappy (when moving your mouse around them), because they have no color specified and they do not inherit their parent's color. This means that the area cannot be

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 01:03:38AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) The number of items is very big. Do we have any room to grow ? Oowriter interface is a clone of the old Word interface that was considered a 3) There is IMHO useless complexity, like the 7 different preview formats. If we

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
Konrad Hofbauer wrote: Not sure how we proceed from here. hmm if we are in black hole, then lets try to get little back in the discussion. what was the reason to the menu change? imho the fact that users(=we) are discontent with the current menu. so the first thing, the end result has to be

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
konrad wrote: > Edwin (and others), > > great thanks for starting to work on this! thanks for having a look as well... > I have a number of suggestions for changes, strictly based on > the HIG [1] (except those sentences starting with IMO). just as a side note; i think it is good to have some

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Hi Edwin, thanks for your comments. leuven edwin wrote: konrad wrote: just as a side note; i think it is good to have some directions, but i don't think we should treat the apple hig as the holy bible (personally i like apples, but as a fruit). as i see it many of these ui design decisions

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
> > but let's see: attached the reworked menu, following most of your suggestions > But there is a View menu everywhere - in the XP HIG, Vista > HIG, Apple HIG, Wordpad, Office 2003, ... so now possibly also soon in lyx... > Don't refuse just because you don't like it. that's what all

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
> [4] Our document settings are file-specific parameters, saved with the > document, so it is IMO very similar to the Page Setup-item in the HIG: > Page Setup... . Opens a dialog for specifying printing parameters such > as paper size and printing orientation. These parameters are saved with

Re: Why not drop DVI ?

2008-09-17 Thread Michel Lavaud
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Le 16 sept. 08 à 13:12, Michel Lavaud a écrit : On the other hand, I never noted any problem of incorrect display with any dvi file I viewed. While have already witnessed problems like the ones you describe with PDF, I'll add to be fair that I would not send

On tabs and multiple views/windows.

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Something relevant for the menus, but not quite clear to me (and I believe in parts a bit buggy/inconsistent). Maybe somebody can explain. What I think we should have (conceptually): a) "Files" (=documents) and b) "Views" onto the file (one or more, in various windows and tabs). In the menus

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread leuven edwin
as in attached menu order: file, edit, format, insert, math, go to, typeset, window, document, application, help toolbars is in application fullscreen in window i like this myself (if I can say that..) hig2.inc Description: hig2.inc hig2.ui Description: hig2.ui

Re: unicode in math

2008-09-17 Thread G. Milde
On 16.09.08, Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:13:49PM +0200, G. Milde wrote: > > On 9.09.08, G. Milde wrote: > > please send me a copy of eventual replies, as I am just a user. > > * should the "input->math" conversion only be done for characters > > from "Basic Latin"

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Edwin, "for the sake of hig-ness" - I guess that means I am higgy? Quite possible. :-) About the open/close windows, tabs, etc., and independent of the menue discussion, I don't quite get what does what (esp. the "Close tab group"). Should that not be a simple "Close tab"-functionality?

RE: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW
> as in attached Sort of.. ;-) > i like this myself (if I can say that..) I like it too, but... (just being constructive) - it is very sneaky to remove the View menu again.. Moving all items from the Window menu into the View menu would ALSO be an option... - The File->New Window and

Re: [Cvslog] r26428 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: BufferView.cpp BufferVi...

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Author: lasgouttes > Date: Wed Sep 17 16:51:27 2008 > New Revision: 26428 > > URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/26428 > Log: > fix properly http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2040 > > * BufferView.cpp (setCursorFromInset): new method, useful to find >

Re: Handling undo in inset-apply

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > sorry for this; when i was implementing graphics groups i have asked > for the undo stuff and particularly that line you are refering now. > finally i put there recordUndoFullDocument since the comments in > undo.h were not clear to me and nobody replied.

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: Maybe, it is a HIG interpretation thing, but I'm seriously doubting that the HIG says that content-related stuff like the "Document settings..." must be in the File menu. Correct. (but I still think it is the right place) Things like page setup do not

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Konrad Hofbauer
Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote: - it is very sneaky to remove the View menu again.. Moving all items from the Window menu into the View menu would ALSO be an option... If you propose something like this, then please propose a LyX-Menu-HIG. - The File->New Window and File->Close Window

Re: menu structure

2008-09-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Maybe, it is a HIG interpretation thing, but I'm seriously doubting that > the HIG says that content-related stuff like the "Document settings..." > must be in the File menu. Things like page setup do not influence the > content of the

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