On 08/08/2010 06:48 PM, Joost Verburg wrote:
On a side note, I doubt the current background color is good from an
ergonomic point of view. Instead of changing the background color,
it's probably better to dim the backlight instead.
I was about to mention this myself. The reason I don't
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > I do that because it is an idea that has been in the air for some time.
> > It is actually a bit tasteless for an application to have an color theme
> > different from everyone else. Do you tolerate that firefox or openoffice
> > have white text background? If you set your
Le 8 août 10 à 09:35, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
I agree with Uwe about the background color. The traditional LyX
background is
easier to the eyes than white IMHO. Really good paper also is not
white. If
you really feel like bumping black/white onto users with LyX 2.0,
please
provide an
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> I think there is a lot of folklore in this area.
Maybe. One recent trend in legibility research I read about it that legibility
is now perceived as having much to do with the readers attitudes and with
conventions (this is called "perceived legibility"). Not a very
Le 8 août 10 à 11:53, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
One thing I notice is that none of the `serious' UI people (Apple,
Microsoft,
Canonical...) set a default background different from white.
Well, they also distributed fonts such as Arial and Times New Roman as
standard fonts. People get used
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> OK, I you propose another pref to remove :)
Screen DPI.
Jürgen
Le 8 août 10 à 12:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
OK, I you propose another pref to remove :)
Screen DPI.
Looks doable. We already have zoom if dpi is wrong. And dpi
is not used everywhere.
JMarc
On 8/7/2010 12:16 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I do that because it is an idea that has been in the air for some time.
It is actually
a bit tasteless for an application to have an color theme different from
everyone else. Do
you tolerate that firefox or openoffice have white text background?
Le 8 août 10 à 12:48, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
OK, I you propose another pref to remove :)
Screen DPI.
The DPI user interface is now removed
The "use system colors" checkbox is there, and
it defaults to "true".
What now?
JMarc
On 08/08/2010 06:48 PM, Joost Verburg wrote:
On a side note, I doubt the current background color is good from an
ergonomic point of view. Instead of changing the background color,
it's probably better to dim the backlight instead.
I was about to mention this myself. The reason I don't
Le 7 août 10 à 04:52, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks
horrible, see the attached screenshot.
I misread the documentation. Is it better now?
JMarc
Am 07.08.2010 11:22, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
Le 7 août 10 à 04:52, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks horrible,
see the attached
screenshot.
I misread the documentation. Is it better now?
Of course not, because you reset the
Le 7 août 10 à 17:08, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Of course not, because you reset the colors to Qt default ones. Why
are you doing that? That makes no sense to me. Our color scheme is
well tested and there is no need to change it.
Currently you set the background color to QPalette::Base which is
Dear Jean-Marc and Uwe,
I think that any time you start messing with the user-interface, it's
going to be controversial. Even though the UI only accounts for a very
small component of the code, it's what people interact with most; and
it's easy to have strong opinions.
On the matter of colors,
PS,
As long as people are proposing UI overhauls, it might be a good time to
think about simplifying LyX's many tool-bars? In general, I think that
they can be a bit overwhelming, and in many instances, seem to duplicate
options available from the menus.
Though I don't have any specific
On 08/07/2010 12:16 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Now, I understand that this is a controversial change, which I why I
committed the patch, so that
people can decide by themselves. Switching to version 2.0 is a good
time for resetting the color scheme.
I tend to customize my color scheme,
Le 7 août 10 à 18:49, Rob Oakes a écrit :
I think that any time you start messing with the user-interface, it's
going to be controversial.
Yes, I know. And I repect the fact that Uwe disagrees. But we have to
discuss it, and using OS defaults (which presumably suit the user)
looked
like a
Le 7 août 10 à 19:20, Richard Heck a écrit :
I tend to customize my color scheme, so that tells you how I feel
about the default one.
So, do you have good propositions?
JMarc
On 08/07/2010 01:21 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 7 août 10 à 19:20, Richard Heck a écrit :
I tend to customize my color scheme, so that tells you how I feel
about the default one.
So, do you have good propositions?
Not really. I agree with Rob's comments about intensity, and what I
Le 7 août 10 à 19:25, Richard Heck a écrit :
Not really. I agree with Rob's comments about intensity, and what I
generally do is just
tone those things down. But I'm no UI genius, and what appeals to me
probably wouldn't appeal to others.
Yes, we need an UI genius. Like for cooking and
Am 07.08.2010 18:16, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
I do that because it is an idea that has been in the air for some time. It is
actually
a bit tasteless for an application to have an color theme different from
everyone else. Do
you tolerate that firefox or openoffice have white text
Hi Uwe,
What? There is absolutely no need to change a well-discussed thing that has
been proven useful for
the users. And no, i don't think we should change the color scheme for every
new release like e.g.
Gnome did in the past. There is simply no advantage for the user. If the user
Le 7 août 10 à 20:51, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
We had this discussion so often that I'm already tired about it. We
don't use white as default background color because the slight
yellow has the advantage that you can work longer without to tire
your eyes. This is even taught at universities that
Le 7 août 10 à 04:52, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks
horrible, see the attached screenshot.
I misread the documentation. Is it better now?
JMarc
Am 07.08.2010 11:22, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
Le 7 août 10 à 04:52, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks horrible,
see the attached
screenshot.
I misread the documentation. Is it better now?
Of course not, because you reset the
Le 7 août 10 à 17:08, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
Of course not, because you reset the colors to Qt default ones. Why
are you doing that? That makes no sense to me. Our color scheme is
well tested and there is no need to change it.
Currently you set the background color to "QPalette::Base" which is
Dear Jean-Marc and Uwe,
I think that any time you start messing with the user-interface, it's
going to be controversial. Even though the UI only accounts for a very
small component of the code, it's what people interact with most; and
it's easy to have strong opinions.
On the matter of colors,
PS,
As long as people are proposing UI overhauls, it might be a good time to
think about simplifying LyX's many tool-bars? In general, I think that
they can be a bit overwhelming, and in many instances, seem to duplicate
options available from the menus.
Though I don't have any specific
On 08/07/2010 12:16 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Now, I understand that this is a controversial change, which I why I
committed the patch, so that
people can decide by themselves. Switching to version 2.0 is a good
time for resetting the color scheme.
I tend to customize my color scheme,
Le 7 août 10 à 18:49, Rob Oakes a écrit :
I think that any time you start messing with the user-interface, it's
going to be controversial.
Yes, I know. And I repect the fact that Uwe disagrees. But we have to
discuss it, and using OS defaults (which presumably suit the user)
looked
like a
Le 7 août 10 à 19:20, Richard Heck a écrit :
I tend to customize my color scheme, so that tells you how I feel
about the default one.
So, do you have good propositions?
JMarc
On 08/07/2010 01:21 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 7 août 10 à 19:20, Richard Heck a écrit :
I tend to customize my color scheme, so that tells you how I feel
about the default one.
So, do you have good propositions?
Not really. I agree with Rob's comments about intensity, and what I
Le 7 août 10 à 19:25, Richard Heck a écrit :
Not really. I agree with Rob's comments about intensity, and what I
generally do is just
tone those things down. But I'm no UI genius, and what appeals to me
probably wouldn't appeal to others.
Yes, we need an UI genius. Like for cooking and
Am 07.08.2010 18:16, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
I do that because it is an idea that has been in the air for some time. It is
actually
a bit tasteless for an application to have an color theme different from
everyone else. Do
you tolerate that firefox or openoffice have white text
Hi Uwe,
> What? There is absolutely no need to change a well-discussed thing that has
> been proven useful for
> the users. And no, i don't think we should change the color scheme for every
> new release like e.g.
> Gnome did in the past. There is simply no advantage for the user. If the
Le 7 août 10 à 20:51, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
We had this discussion so often that I'm already tired about it. We
don't use white as default background color because the slight
yellow has the advantage that you can work longer without to tire
your eyes. This is even taught at universities that
Hi JMarc,
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks horrible, see the attached
screenshot.
I see that you changed the RGB values of your standard colors. E.g. our default background color is
250,240,230 (r,g,b) and you changed it to 236,233,216. Why that? The new
Hi JMarc,
your recent color resetting commit doesn't work on Windows. It looks horrible, see the attached
screenshot.
I see that you changed the RGB values of your standard colors. E.g. our default background color is
250,240,230 (r,g,b) and you changed it to 236,233,216. Why that? The new
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